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I would rather sign Lorenzo pellergrini than de Paul provided they cost almost the same, iirc Pellergrini has 30m euros release clause, the same fee Udinese are asking for de Paul according to reports. Pellergrini is younger 24 and better technically and still his a lot of potential, De Paul is already 26, soon to be 27 in 2months. And why should we sign de Paul for the same fee when even their stats(in terms of goals and assists) this season is the same.
 

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I think everyone would take Pellegrini given the chance. He’s an excellent player. But he’s a Romanista through and through however. I can’t see him joining a big club in Italy. He’ll go abroad or renew and stay at Roma.
 

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Pellegrini may be the better player. But what we really need is some individual flair in our midfield. De Paul brings that. Another option here could be Castrovili. He's a baller.
 

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I would rather sign Lorenzo pellergrini than de Paul provided they cost almost the same, iirc Pellergrini has 30m euros release clause, the same fee Udinese are asking for de Paul according to reports. Pellergrini is younger 24 and better technically and still his a lot of potential, De Paul is already 26, soon to be 27 in 2months. And why should we sign de Paul for the same fee when even their stats(in terms of goals and assists) this season is the same.
a) it isn't the same b) RDP is producing offensively for an ultra defensive Udinese c) RDP is more of a fighter and leader, he won't disappear in games. Pellegrini probably has a higher ceiling than RDP but talent minus fighting spirit won't win you games.

Another option here could be Castrovili. He's a baller.
I don't think he's ready to yet to shoulder the creative burden of a team like Inter. Great potential but inconsistent. We can't afford to have a player in midfielder who disappears in big games.
 

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And I don't think we can make any deal with Roma by offering them some loan + redemption structure. Udinese will take such deal if De Paul forces a move to Inter.

Anyway all these 30m€ cash deals are pure fantasy, they are not gonna happen in this window.
 

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Just because De Paul is a leader at Udinese it doesn't mean he is going to have a similar impact if he joins a top club. There are many examples of players who were leaders at midtable teams but failed to have an important role when they joined a top team. Playing for Scudetto winners Inter is a lot different than playing for an Udinese side that doesn't even qualify for Europe.
 

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The point is the mentality. De Paul has that for sure. Grinta, fighting, but also skills to play at high level. Pellegrini doesn't feel like a fighter at all, disappears in games when he should rise to the occasion.
 

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Just because De Paul is a leader at Udinese it doesn't mean he is going to have a similar impact if he joins a top club. There are many examples of players who were leaders at midtable teams but failed to have an important role when they joined a top team. Playing for Scudetto winners Inter is a lot different than playing for an Udinese side that doesn't even qualify for Europe.

With Conte almost everybody can develop the right mentality. The only condition is to put a hard, hard work every single day.
 

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Pellegrini may be the better player. But what we really need is some individual flair in our midfield. De Paul brings that. Another option here could be Castrovili. He's a baller.
Maybe you didn't watch Pellergrini and depaul properly, but if there's anyone whose biggest strength is flair between the two then it's Pellergrini, He certainly has better flair than de paul, Go watch them again and see how they play.

a) it isn't the same b) RDP is producing offensively for an ultra defensive Udinese c) RDP is more of a fighter and leader, he won't disappear in games. Pellegrini probably has a higher ceiling than RDP but talent minus fighting spirit won't win you games.

I don't think he's ready to yet to shoulder the creative burden of a team like Inter. Great potential but inconsistent. We can't afford to have a player in midfielder who disappears in big games.
Firstly, It's not about producing offensively for an ultra defensive team, if that's the point then we should never sign a player from an attacking team or a big team,since generally speaking, big teams att more than small teams.
Secondly, how do you know that de Paul won't disappear in big games and why do you imply that Pellergrini does not have fighting spirit?. You are too definitive in your conclusions without backing them with facts. Besides, when does fighting spirit became the sole criteria for judging the better player. If that's the case we should just go on and sign Fred, nahitan nandez or even give Vidal the position since these players are known for their fighting spirit. I know a player requires fighting spirit to be successful but if there's anything a player needs most it's talent. Generally, in a player's tools for success, talent takes the largest share.
Lastly, "disappearing in big games" is not the first and most important factor tbh, coz if that's the case we shouldn't have signed lukaku in the first place. What a player needs most importantly is consistency. The number of "small games" are higher than "big games", so....
 

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Just because De Paul is a leader at Udinese it doesn't mean he is going to have a similar impact if he joins a top club.
It's not just the leadership component but it's the fighting spirit he has shown in games. And not only with Udinese but with the NT too.

Playing for Scudetto winners Inter is a lot different than playing for an Udinese side that doesn't even qualify for Europe.
I'd argue leading your team out of the relegation zone qualifies. In De Paul we have a talented but battle hardened player who is ready to get his hands dirty.

Firstly, It's not about producing offensively for an ultra defensive team
it shows that even when bogged down with defensive duties RDP will produce on the offensive end. Given Eriksen, this is precisely what we want.

Secondly, how do you know that de Paul won't disappear in big games and why do you imply that Pellergrini does not have fighting spirit?. You are too definitive in your conclusions without backing them with facts.
Just compare resumes. What's the toughest obstacle Pellergrini has ever had to overcome during his career thus far? With RDP we've seen with both Udinese and Argentina he's a player ready to go to war. Pellergrini is still an unknown entity at this juncture.

Generally, in a player's tools for success, talent takes the largest share.
I think it depends on the coach and your role in the team. Eriksen case in point.

Lastly, "disappearing in big games" is not the first and most important factor tbh, coz if that's the case we shouldn't have signed lukaku in the first place.
Didn't Tankaku disappear vs Juventus on the weekend, UCL group stage, etc? Why not have players who are both fighters and consistent, if available? What if the scudetto was on the line on Sunday, would you be comfortable with a consistent, small game player?
 

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I am actually surprised you bring up De Paul resume as this is probably his biggest weakness. He has achieved nothing significant in Europe.

After leaving Argentina he went to Valencia where there's a lot of pressure. He failed. Then he went to Udinese where his biggest achievement is avoiding relegation and beating teams like Crotone, Parma, Cagliari, Torino, Genoa and the likes. I don't consider it such a great success that gives guarantees he will succeed at a top club. He's in a situation where there's zero pressure for him. Zero. De Paul is a GOD at Udinese. Even if when he has off games no one at Udine is going to complain. The expectations there are a lot lower.

At a top club like Roma, or even worse, Inter, there's a lot more pressure to perform week in week out. You aren't allowed to have off days. Take our players for example. Even Lukaku, who is our best forward, and Barella, who is our best midfielder, a fan favorite and an Interista, are getting criticism from the fans when they don't play well. That's the situation at top clubs. You need to perform in a consistent basis else media and fanbase will eat you alive.

For me De Paul is a gamble, especially if we take into consideration he turns 27 this year. There's no guarantee he will succeed at Inter and i haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise. He may work, he may not. I would be ok with him if he joined for 20-25m as a squad player but certainly not for 40m and especially as a starter. If i had to choose between De Paul and Pellegrini, i would go with Roma player all the way.
 

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Make no mistake, De Paul is not joining Inter for 40m€, that you can be certain of.

I wouldn't buy Pellegrini at all, simply doesn't fit to our game. And has had too many freedoms in Roma which is an awful environment to develop to be a responsible all-around player. Perfect spot for carefree talented players to flourish (includes not winning anything). Also I haven't seen Pellegrini performing consistently at Roma so that point kind of misses there.

edit. And just to make my opinion also clear, I wouldn't buy De Paul for 40m€ even if Inter had the funds for that. :D
 

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DePaul , a great signing with 20+millions and a fringe player from our bench, but not 40M€. Bottom line.
 

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I propose not sign De Paul and try Eriksen and Sensi for that role.
 

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I propose not sign De Paul and try Eriksen and Sensi for that role.

I am for selling Eriksen and not buying DePaul. Maybe sell Sensi too

We are broke. That spots Vidals. Or try to get Ninja to pay for us. Neither of these two will go away might as well keep them

Or budget needs to go to someone to bench Persic and keeping all our stars.


Selling Lautaro for 60-80 to get De Paul doesn’t make sense to me.
 

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it shows that even when bogged down with defensive duties RDP will produce on the offensive end. Given Eriksen, this is precisely what we want.

That's not the point, the point is you sign a player for his abilities and stats not because he produce offensively even with defensive duties. Like I implied earlier, you can't use that as a criteria or you will end up having to look at only players from small teams or defensive teams. You might as well go on and sign the likes of SMS, vidal of juve and koopmeiners (15goals this season) over de bruyne, Bruno Fernandes e.t.C.
As for eriksen, he produces little here attacking-wise not because he is bogged with defensive duties but due to an entire change of role, style of play and system. Besides, even Pellegrino has had defensive duties and still produced good offensive stats. He played as cmf in his sassuolo days and in Roma a lot. It's just of recent he started to play as an AMf. Also, if am not mistaken, I think de Paul has had the luxury of having almost all of the att play of udinese go through him, and he even takes all their set pieces, that's an advantage for him getting those goals and assists. Unlike Pellegrini at Roma where there are other attacking outlets which he had to share but yet he produced almost the same numbers as de paul. In a nutshell, it's easier to produce for a small team where there is low pressure and you are the main man, than when you play for big team with higher standards and different better and big players than you.

it shows that even when bogged down with defensive duties RDP will produce on the offensive end. Given Eriksen, this is precisely what we want.

Just compare resumes. What's the toughest obstacle Pellergrini has ever had to overcome during his career thus far? With RDP we've seen with both Udinese and Argentina he's a player ready to go to war. Pellergrini is still an unknown entity at this juncture.

The pressure of having to finish top four every season in a league where there are more than 5teams fighting for those slots and this teams strengthen each year, is a bigger obstacle than having to avoid relegation with the luxury of battling teams that are almost always by default going back to serie B after the first year they got promoted.
As for you saying Pellegrini is an unknown entity, then this implies you've watch him little and yet arguing about him. How is Pellegrini an unknown entity? With all his days in two know clubs in sassuolo and Roma? Been playing in serie a for years, more than de Paul. Lol. People barely know de Paul for his entire career, only in udinese. I just checked his biography and saw he played for Valencia and failed miserably there. That tells you a lot.
 

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After leaving Argentina he went to Valencia where there's a lot of pressure. He failed. Then he went to Udinese where his biggest achievement is avoiding relegation and beating teams like Crotone, Parma, Cagliari, Torino, Genoa and the likes. I don't consider it such a great success that gives guarantees he will succeed at a top club. He's in a situation where there's zero pressure for him. Zero. De Paul is a GOD at Udinese. Even if when he has off games no one at Udine is going to complain. The expectations there are a lot lower.
What did Milito achieve at Genoa? Cambiasso and Sniper were flops and bigger gambles. DePaul has consistently been among the best midfielders in the league. A mainstay with the NT. Where's the concern?

If i had to choose between De Paul and Pellegrini, i would go with Roma player all the way.
Pellegrini is talented as hell, more so than RDP perhaps, but he's not a grafter. He doesn't have experience as the go-to-guy when results are going in the wrong direction the way DePaul has.

At a top club like Roma, or even worse, Inter, there's a lot more pressure to perform week in week out. You aren't allowed to have off days. Take our players for example. Even Lukaku, who is our best forward, and Barella, who is our best midfielder, a fan favorite and an Interista, are getting criticism from the fans when they don't play well.
So if we turn back the clock to 2009, would you go with under-no-pressure Diego Milito, or plays-for-a-top club Vucinic?

That's not the point, the point is you sign a player for his abilities and stats not because he produce offensively even with defensive duties. Like I implied earlier, you can't use that as a criteria or you will end up having to look at only players from small teams or defensive teams. You might as well go on and sign the likes of SMS, vidal of juve and koopmeiners (15goals this season) over de bruyne, Bruno Fernandes e.t.C.
this is not a general rule. You asked why I would chose RDP ahead of Pellegrini, bascially why he is more suited to Conte ball, and going forward he can play under any coach. He may not be world class but he is more of a guarantee to succeed at Inter. This would apply to players like Fabregas or KDB because they can produce in various systems under different conditions. We see with Eriksen there's a lot of tailoring that needs to be done for him to be of use to us. WHy not pick a versatile player who is a fit for our successful system?

Besides, even Pellegrino has had defensive duties and still produced good offensive stats. He played as cmf in his sassuolo days and in Roma a lot.
Roma and Sassuolo are attack-minded teams. They're not the sort to grind out 1-0 results like Inter. RDP would work for us in that sense.

I think de Paul has had the luxury of having almost all of the att play of udinese go through him, and he even takes all their set pieces, that's an advantage for him getting those goals and assists. Unlike Pellegrini at Roma where there are other attacking outlets which he had to share but yet he produced almost the same numbers as de paul. In a nutshell, it's easier to produce for a small team where there is low pressure and you are the main man, than when you play for big team with higher standards and different better and big players than you.
Luxury or burden? You realize if RDP doesn't perform Udinese are in relegation trouble?

The pressure of having to finish top four every season in a league where there are more than 5teams fighting for those slots and this teams strengthen each year, is a bigger obstacle than having to avoid relegation with the luxury of battling teams that are almost always by default going back to serie B after the first year they got promoted.
You just said Pellergrini has to share creative duties with other stars which is why his stats are lower, but that also means he is burdened less, if he has a bad game, there's Pedro, Mhiki, Dzeko, zaniolo, etc

With all his days in two know clubs in sassuolo and Roma? Been playing in serie a for years, more than de Paul. Lol. People barely know de Paul for his entire career, only in udinese. I just checked his biography and saw he played for Valencia and failed miserably there. That tells you a lot.
He flopped in Argentina too. So did Bruno Fernandes (various serie a clubs) and KDB (chelsea). What's your point? RDP has been a top 5 midfielder in the league last 2-3 seasons, in terms of stats and ability.
 

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The fact that everything goes through De Paul, doesn't make it easier for him. It makes it more difficult. Opponents know he's the main target, and is always under attention. You see that when players like Ronaldo and Messi, even Lukaku are always tightly marked. De Paul goes through similar pressure. For a reasonable price, he would be a great signing.
 

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What did Milito achieve at Genoa? Cambiasso and Sniper were flops and bigger gambles. DePaul has consistently been among the best midfielders in the league. A mainstay with the NT. Where's the concern?

Pellegrini is talented as hell, more so than RDP perhaps, but he's not a grafter. He doesn't have experience as the go-to-guy when results are going in the wrong direction the way DePaul has.

So if we turn back the clock to 2009, would you go with under-no-pressure Diego Milito, or plays-for-a-top club Vucinic?

Milito was the exception. It's not so easy to find another Milito, who was very consistent in his performances wherever he played. It always was a mystery how he hadn't joined a top club before 2009. Sneijder wasn't a Real Madrid flop. In his first season he had 9 goals and 7 assists. He was just coming from a poor season and Perez wanted to replace him with Kaka. That's why he was forced out. Cambiasso was a gamble that paid off but he joined Inter for free at the age of 24. In here we're talking about signing 27-year old De Paul for 40m especially when the club is in a very tough financial situation.

What kind of experience does De Paul have? Udinese do or die games are against teams like Parma, Cagliari, Bologna, Sampdoria and the likes. In the games against the top teams there's no pressure for De Paul and any good performance would be an added bonus. At Inter he would be under huge pressure in every single game and he would have to make a difference against Juve, Milan, Napoli etc. and in CL. That's a whole different level.

What does Vucinic have to do with the discussion? Vucinic was just a decent player while Milito was the second top scorer after Ibra in 2009. No one in his right mind would want Vucinic at Inter.
 
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