2021/2022 Defenders Rumours Thread

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No, they're a big club because they've been relevant in top tier football for 100 years, they're a top 10 team in their country whether that's on titles won or all time standings, have a very large domestic fanbase and despite turbulence, they've been rather relevant in the last 30 years (which for some reason get highlighted in English football)

This also applies to Everton, which actually is also another top 5 club in England. Their only... problem is that they completely fucked up in the PL era, but prior to that they were a lock for Top 5 English sides.
What has happened in 30-40 years ago but hasn't happened since, well I don't know how relevant those things are anymore. History is just, well, history at that point.
 

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Hope not!

Newcastle to be relegated PIF realise that made a bad investment and buy Inter for 1B.

Transfer budget of 150M meaning; SMS, Frattesi, Kostic, Ginter, Alvarez and Vlahovic
If Comisso knew we had that money he'd not sell Vlahovic for at least €150m cuz he's a baz.
 

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What has happened in 30-40 years ago but hasn't happened since, well I don't know how relevant those things are anymore. History is just, well, history at that point.
Would you say that Fiorentina is not a big club in Italy just because it's not doing better recently than Sassuolo and Atalanta and hasn't won shit in years?
It's something similar. Fiorentina is a top 10 Italian club and it will take decades of uselessness to change that because someone else has to actually emerge to displace them and be relevant for years. At the expense not only of Fiorentina, but also us, Juventus and all other clubs.

And yes, it's just history, but it's still extremely important.
 

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Yeah I understand what you're getting at. Fiorentina - Atalanta being a good example. Fiorentina has a great history but they've been lower in the past 20 years but they've still been in top10 more often than not. Atalanta has surely a long way to go still.

Maybe the term "big club" needs to be specified more detailed here. So if looking at the big picture and all the clubs in England, Everton is surely a big club as they've been pretty consistently in top10 in EPL for the past 40 years.
 

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Yeah I understand what you're getting at. Fiorentina - Atalanta being a good example. Fiorentina has a great history but they've been lower in the past 20 years but they've still been in top10 more often than not. Atalanta has surely a long way to go still.

Maybe the term "big club" needs to be specified more detailed here. So if looking at the big picture and all the clubs in England, Everton is surely a big club as they've been pretty consistently in top10 in EPL for the past 40 years.
You distinguish it by having 'big' clubs and 'top' clubs.

Top clubs in Italy:
Inter
Milan
Juvents

Big clubs in Italy:
Roma
Napoli
Fiorentina
Lazio
Torino

Then you have the list of pretenders and/or big clubs that lost their status:
Genoa (ancient version)
Pro Vercelli (also ancient version)
Bologna (30s and 60s version)
Cagliari (70s version)
Verona (80s version)
Sampdoria (90s version)
Parma (90s version)
Atalanta (late 2010s version, current situation)

The... size of a club is tied to several factors and the current league table has a very low weighting on it.
- Fanbase
- Trophy case
- Historic Competitiveness domestically
- Continental pedigree [success of European campaigns, big results against strong sides etc]
- Recent situation (enter recency bias among other factors)
- General attraction [to players, coaches, rivalries etc]
- General relevance (media attention, random interest by neutrals etc)

Top clubs in England:
Liverpool
Manchester United

Big clubs in England:
Arsenal
Manchester City
Chelsea
Everton
Newcastle
Aston Villa
Tottenham

Newcastle in England is more similar to the Fiorentina situation in Italy, it's just been more volatile for them.

Aston Villa and Everton are traditionally big clubs, but they're more similar to the Torino situation these days because they don't really compete, but they're almost always around. Genoa is similar, but I'd say they're just not at Torino's level because 100+ years have passed since they were a genuinely top side. Torino has been strong until the 70s for example. A more liberal list would have had both Genoa and Bologna as big clubs in Italy.

The list of course isn't fixed. If Chelsea and City keep doing their thing over the next 25-35 years, they'll also be considered top clubs. At the moment they're just taking advantage of a competitive gap at the top.


Leeds for example is not a big club. They had their moments in the 60s/70s and early 2000s, but that's about it. On the historical English football table they're barely top 20, slightly above Burnley. A Burnley side that was strong at some point in time, but generally not considered a "strong Premier League side" (ie last 30 years timeline). I don't think people assume that Leeds and Burnley carry the same weight [I also don't], yet it's 3 leagues won vs 2 leagues won, 1 Cup won vs 1 Cup won, but Leeds has the significant edge in Europe.

Which is also why the list of 'top' European clubs is quite small. Real Madrid, Bayern Munchen, Barcelona, Liverpool, Manchester United, Inter, Milan, Juventus, Ajax and Benfica. Everyone else is just making a name for himself in the 'today'. Chelsea is slowly breaking into this and will definitely belong in the top list if they keep it up over the next decade, while Benfica is slipping away. European football is completely ruined since FFP anyway so this doesn't really matter anymore...



Anyway, this is the defenders transfer thread :lol:
 

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Palermo

Big club in England:
Leeds

As always Forza Inter
 

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Djed Spence looks better than Denzel.
 

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imo dodo/botta-esque idea.
 

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Biasin is saying that we could be in for Cuadrado. :yao:
 

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The rumour started from Momblano so i don't take it seriously. I really can't.
 

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According to La Gazzetta dello Sport, tonight’s match will also be an important test for Empoli defender Mattia Viti.

The 19-year-old made his Serie A debut this season and has already played ten games in Italy’s top flight.

Viti could soon receive his first Italy U21 call-up with the Nerazzurri planning a move similar to the one that brought Alessandro Bastoni to the club.

Inter signed the Italy international from Atalanta for €31m in 2017, but the player spent two seasons on loan with La Dea and Parma before returning to the Stadio Meazza.

Viti would not cost as much but the operation could be similar. Milan have also been linked with the promising centre-back.

@sdvroot in this thread we are discussing defenders that are being linked to Inter, so could you please post your ideas in the Player Suggestions thread?

Biasin is saying that we could be in for Cuadrado. :yao:
I know Zanetti has been a great admirer and Marotta knows him well. He was linked to Inter in the past. Utmost professional, good person, skilled technique and comes for free. I woudldn`t mind him, anyone knows what is he currently earning?
 

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All those "fancy" names while we don't want to spend a fucking euro for them. Tbh this is getting kind of frustrating. For example the rumoured price for Kostic is like 10 millions, a number that we should be able to pay ffs. Even clubs like freaking Augsburg in Germany are able to spend 16 millions for just one player
 
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