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What does that have to do with anything?

Compare all you want.

Chelsea would have loved to have Handanovic, Liverpool and City are good.
Bundesliga? Really? Apart from Neuer, who else is better than Handa there?
Serie A, Musso and Donnarumma were the only ones around this level.
I'll give you La Liga's case, but that still doesn't mean that Handanovic is inferior to Courtois.

The interest is slim on Handa because he's old and it's unknown if he will be at this level for 1 or 2 or 5 seasons. It's also a concern for us. Truth is that a few Serie A teams and others inquired about him but I think he's leaning to stay on, despite the salary reduction.

Saying he's not one of the top goalkeepers is straight saying shit that's invalid...
Because calling Handanovic a top keeper and then wanting to compare him with 20 others is fucking stupid. If you want to compare him with top keepers then don't compare him with keepers that play for mid table teams to prove your point.

FYI, I also think Handanovic is a top keeper but your way of proving it is meh. If you call him a top 15 keeper then he is not a great keeper anymore.
 
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Well, he is top 10... At worse he'll be top 15 by next season. Onana who's coming over isn't any better.

Was top 5 until a couple of seasons ago and was usually in the mix for top 3 during his prime, just without CL exposure.
Well i beg to differ, when i look at all the top clubs in the world and compare he is the worst one of them.

No i dont think Onana will be a success. But the chinese dont have any money so we are stuck with free transfers.

I think Emiliano Martinez at Aston Villa would be a great signing for us.
 

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Because calling Handanovic a top keeper and then wanting to compare him with 20 others is fucking stupid. If you want to compare him with top keepers then don't compare him with keepers that play for mid table teams to prove your point.

FYI, I also think Handanovic is a top keeper but your way of proving it is meh. If you call him a top 15 keeper then he is not a great keeper anymore.
I responded to someone who says Handanovic is finished. By default that means that there's definitely more than 50 better players than him at his position, I merely asked for 20 of those.
 

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You have limited number of goalkeepers in the starting eleven (one). Top 5 is world class.
Handanovic is top keeper the same way as Dybala, Lautaro, Osihmen are top strikers.

But he is getting older. But saying that he is finished if he isn't top 5... you must be supporting Real Madrid.
 

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He is finished at a club like Inter who aspires to win the Scudetto and go deep in CL. But sure he would still be fine in a smaller club.
 

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You have limited number of goalkeepers in the starting eleven (one). Top 5 is world class.
Handanovic is top keeper the same way as Dybala, Lautaro, Osihmen are top strikers.

Actually the first factor makes the second not so relevant. There can only be one goalkeeper at team, so there's more parity in them. There are teams with very good goalkpeers than no one sleeps on. In this day and age, the top players are typically gathered in a handful of clubs, so you can see clubs with 2-3 top midfielders etc, but other than PSG, no one has more than 1 top GK. PSG has 2 + a possible starter for any top half team in the world.

Emiliano Martinez is one, although he's become rather shaky with fame and the burder of #1 Argentina keeper. Especially since he's not better than Musso who's #2 now, and Juan Musso is another one.

Top teams don't always have the absolute best GK.

Ederson is only great playing from the back, he's slightly better than Onana overall, but he gets hyped because City fixed their defense and either way, almost nobody has the ball on their side of the pitch. He's the best fit for them, not the best possible goalkeeper.

Alisson is far better than any Liverpool GK ever, but he's not that much better than Handanovic and is more prone to errors.

I don't get the Mendy hype, there wasn't even one in France. He's just a good shot stopper, there are dozens like him. Onana being one as well and I reckon he's actually better.

Szczesny is bang average. [can't believe I have autocorrect for his name :lol: ]

Ospina is good but not Handanovic good.

Maignan isn't a top 3 Serie A keeper and that's what he was called to replace. The gap between him and Tatarusanu is smaller than the gap between him and Handanovic.

PSG alone has two goalkeepers that are better than the ones mentioned above. And their 3rd, Sergio Rico, is on the same level as half of those.

De Gea has his great moments but he's way overrated due to the Manchester United popularity situation.

Pickford is one of the PL's best keepers, although quite inconsistent, and he's not someone many top half Serie A teams would trust.


The absolute best goalkeepers in the world right now are Ter Stegen, Donnarumma, Oblak and still Neuer. The next tier includes Handanovic who remains one of the top keepers. It doesn't matter if this list has 1 or 5 or 10 names, he's one of the greatest keepers out there. Some names in this category are Courtois, Alisson, Lloris, Unai Simon, Musso, Ederson, De Gea etc.

The problem with goalkeepers is that you can be Gagliardini level and still be considered very good because your team always wins. Someone like Victor Valdes for example... So I get why people can get tricked by the Mendy hype due to that CL run and eventual win, but he's closer to Valdes than being a top GK.
 
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I agree...
One thing I know for sure that it is hard to determine goalkeeper strength. With forwards it is easy - you see how he creates and scores goal chances.
Goalkeepers need to wait for opposite team to show their strength and can only save shots that defense allow them to make.
So many factors:
1, Goalkeeper's performance depends a lot on the team they are playing with
2, Number of shots per game - it is easier to have good saves when you face a lot of shots
3, Psychology - keepers need to be mentally strong and you never know what takes somebody out of their comfort zone
4, Their actual skills and how it complements the team they are playing in

I would say that there are not that many goalkeepers who are a safe choice. T you know for sure they will perform under any circumstances.

I give Handa a lot of credit for how he handled the pressure in the beginning of this season. He allowed some goals (most of them were unsavable anyway), with media pressure and Onana rumors. I don't give a shit if he is top 5 or top 10, he is the right goalkeeper for us this season and he is proving it.

From next season I will hope Onana will show us that we can safely transition in this position.
 

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I responded to someone who says Handanovic is finished. By default that means that there's definitely more than 50 better players than him at his position, I merely asked for 20 of those.

I can easily name more than that. 20 teams in Serie A x 3 keepers per team - Handa = there you go, 59 keepers better than Handanovic, and that's just in Italy. :yao:
 

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I can easily name more than that. 20 teams in Serie A x 3 keepers per team - Handa = there you go, 59 keepers better than Handanovic, and that's just in Italy. :yao:
Name them.
And say what makes you prefer 10 of those to Handanovic. Fetch!
 

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Name them.
And say what makes you prefer 10 of those to Handanovic. Fetch!

Ospina
Maignan
Musso
Szczczczczczczcz
Patricio
Dragowski
Montipo
Consigli
Vicario
Skorupski

Why I prefer them: They are currently active goalkeepers who haven't retired three seasons ago.

I don't think Handanovic was ever a top 5 keeper in Europe but in his prime he had great reflexes and saved our asses in many occasions. Now that he's getting old, he's losing that quality and his flaws, which were always present, are being accentuated: he freezes in goals he could save, he never ever leaves the line, he doesn't come for crosses, he pushes the ball back into dangerous areas. The only aspect in which he's improved is his passing and distribution, which isn't enough to cover for his blunders.

I think this discussion is pretty pointless though because you obviously still trust Handanovic as a first-choice keeper and I'm kinda biased against him. Let me put it this way: the way you felt about Lukaku is how I feel about Handa.
 

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Ospina
Maignan
Musso
Szczczczczczczcz
Patricio
Dragowski
Montipo
Consigli
Vicario
Skorupski

Why I prefer them: They are currently active goalkeepers who haven't retired three seasons ago.

I don't think Handanovic was ever a top 5 keeper in Europe but in his prime he had great reflexes and saved our asses in many occasions. Now that he's getting old, he's losing that quality and his flaws, which were always present, are being accentuated: he freezes in goals he could save, he never ever leaves the line, he doesn't come for crosses, he pushes the ball back into dangerous areas. The only aspect in which he's improved is his passing and distribution, which isn't enough to cover for his blunders.

I think this discussion is pretty pointless though because you obviously still trust Handanovic as a first-choice keeper and I'm kinda biased against him. Let me put it this way: the way you felt about Lukaku is how I feel about Handa.
you wrote so many shit names here, that i am shocked you didnt write Cragno.
 

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you wrote so many shit names here, that i am shocked you didnt write Cragno.

I just looked up the Serie A table and went down the list. I skipped Pepe Reina and Milinkovic-Savic because I'm not that biased.
 

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Ospina
Maignan
Musso
Szczczczczczczcz
Patricio
Dragowski
Montipo
Consigli
Vicario
Skorupski

Why I prefer them: They are currently active goalkeepers who haven't retired three seasons ago.

I don't think Handanovic was ever a top 5 keeper in Europe but in his prime he had great reflexes and saved our asses in many occasions. Now that he's getting old, he's losing that quality and his flaws, which were always present, are being accentuated: he freezes in goals he could save, he never ever leaves the line, he doesn't come for crosses, he pushes the ball back into dangerous areas. The only aspect in which he's improved is his passing and distribution, which isn't enough to cover for his blunders.

I think this discussion is pretty pointless though because you obviously still trust Handanovic as a first-choice keeper and I'm kinda biased against him. Let me put it this way: the way you felt about Lukaku is how I feel about Handa.
What a terrible fucking list.

:yao:
 

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I just looked up the Serie A table and went down the list. I skipped Pepe Reina and Milinkovic-Savic because I'm not that biased.
That's pretty much the only thing you could have done to come up with all this shit.

Dragowski doesn't even play. Was injured and now he's been benched. For Terraciano, a Padelli level goalkeeper.

Montipo has good stops but he's bang average.
Skorupski is decent, but that's about it.
Vicario is Radu level.
Consigli was good but no longer is a strong keeper.
If we got Maignan to replace Handanovic, you'd be whining at the management for such a poor choice saying that there are 59 better goalkeepers in the league thanhim (which bizarrely includes 2 of his teammates, one of which is Cordaz)
I'm not even gonna bother with the rest, I feel this is a cartoon type of moment where I have to rate which hit on the head with a bat looks funnier...

You say Handanovic "stares' at the ball rather than save it, have you seen Maignan? :lol:
Have you even watched other goalkeepers? They all do it, it's a natural human reaction actually. Jumping aimlessly is the one that's not and that's why not that many are doing it.

I feel like attention span isn't your strongest ally. Check youtube goal highlights from the top 6-7 leagues and main competitions from various seasons and years and come back and tell us how many goalkeepers "didn't move" when they conceded a goal..
 

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theres actually a lot of inter fans that think Handa is the only GK in the world that doesnt move when there's a shot. People need to watch more games in my opinion, perhaps they will see that other top GK's are also pretty ''shit'' then.

I also have no idea why Maignan is being seen as the best of the best in Italy. As someone that watced all of Milan's games, i really dont get it.
 

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That's pretty much the only thing you could have done to come up with all this shit.

Dragowski doesn't even play. Was injured and now he's been benched. For Terraciano, a Padelli level goalkeeper.

Montipo has good stops but he's bang average.
Skorupski is decent, but that's about it.
Vicario is Radu level.
Consigli was good but no longer is a strong keeper.
If we got Maignan to replace Handanovic, you'd be whining at the management for such a poor choice saying that there are 59 better goalkeepers in the league thanhim (which bizarrely includes 2 of his teammates, one of which is Cordaz)
I'm not even gonna bother with the rest, I feel this is a cartoon type of moment where I have to rate which hit on the head with a bat looks funnier...

You say Handanovic "stares' at the ball rather than save it, have you seen Maignan? :lol:
Have you even watched other goalkeepers? They all do it, it's a natural human reaction actually. Jumping aimlessly is the one that's not and that's why not that many are doing it.

I feel like attention span isn't your strongest ally. Check youtube goal highlights from the top 6-7 leagues and main competitions from various seasons and years and come back and tell us how many goalkeepers "didn't move" when they conceded a goal..

I agree with pretty much all your assessments, none of the goalkeepers in Serie A are anything special. I just don't rate Handa at all.

BTW that thing about 59 keepers was a joke. Just in case it wasn't obvious.
 

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I agree with pretty much all your assessments, none of the goalkeepers in Serie A are anything special. I just don't rate Handa at all.

BTW that thing about 59 keepers was a joke. Just in case it wasn't obvious.
Only that part was a joke? What a pity.
 
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Only that part was a joke? What a pity.
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