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Yeah and my point is that's also spending money. Free agents ask more salary than what they could get in normal circumnstances so that's spending too, just differently.

The cascading effect of expensive free agents (specially from abroad with tax reduction) is the salary requests of the team mates after new guy gets big salary.
It’s still cheaper though which is a bit the point. Buying Correa for 30mil and giving him a 3.5mil salary for 5 years is worse than giving Thuram a 5.5mil contract for 5 years.
 

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It’s still cheaper though which is a bit the point. Buying Correa for 30mil and giving him a 3.5mil salary for 5 years is worse than giving Thuram a 5.5mil contract for 5 years.
Yes, definitely. Buying players overpriced is always bad.
 

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Last year it was reported that he is dreaming of playing in Serie A - if someone else is offering more money then that is the reason he didn't sign for us ... and that is very likely to happen
 

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Fabrizio Romano just said thurams dream is EPL that's a wrap
Hmmm why I'm not surprised !

EPL is the biggest fetish for almost every Black French player. Maybe Mbappe is the only exception because he's a Real Madrid fan.
 

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Hmmm why I'm not surprised !

EPL is the biggest fetish for almost every Black French player. Maybe Mbappe is the only exception because he's a Real Madrid fan.
Almost any young and up and coming player tbf. Most, if not all, grow up watching the PL. It’s going to be a recurring theme I’m afraid:

Join Inter for 4m a year and play CL football with no hope of realistically winning it or

Join West Ham for 8m a year and play in the most popular league in the world and the league you grew up watching

It’s sad but the future is not looking bright
 

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Almost any young and up and coming player tbf. Most, if not all, grow up watching the PL. It’s going to be a recurring theme I’m afraid:

Join Inter for 4m a year and play CL football with no hope of realistically winning it or

Join West Ham for 8m a year and play in the most popular league in the world and the league you grew up watching

It’s sad but the future is not looking bright
There's like 5 PL clubs that pay a higher salary than we do to our top earners and just 4 PL clubs that have a higher salary cost than us.

PL teams don't pay more to players than us, they simply spend more on players.

They do pay more than their counterparts in other leagues and they can afford to do that to more players, but you're hardly going to see many good players taking 2m to sit on Leeds' or West Ham's bench when they can be a starter in Serie A or Germany with 1.5m.

The only gap occurs at the bottom but their lower clubs are really shit at recruiting and spending. You can see that Fulham and Brighton spend twice as much as Monza or Bologna, but they're spending it badly. Like Torino is spending badly in Italy... Or like we've usually been in the past decade.


This PL doomsday that will consume the entire sport with their money has been trending for 15+ years, on and off depending on whether there's a crisis in Spain & Italy, so it's simply ridiculous. All you need to stop this is increase the money flow in those two leagues and the PL will become an irrelevant bubble once again, and like all bubbles, only those inside of it will think of it as a great thing.
 

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Yeah, it's just fake news that random EPL teams spend more than us on salaries. It's simply not true.
 

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There's like 5 PL clubs that pay a higher salary than we do to our top earners and just 4 PL clubs that have a higher salary cost than us.

PL teams don't pay more to players than us, they simply spend more on players.

They do pay more than their counterparts in other leagues and they can afford to do that to more players, but you're hardly going to see many good players taking 2m to sit on Leeds' or West Ham's bench when they can be a starter in Serie A or Germany with 1.5m.

The only gap occurs at the bottom but their lower clubs are really shit at recruiting and spending. You can see that Fulham and Brighton spend twice as much as Monza or Bologna, but they're spending it badly. Like Torino is spending badly in Italy... Or like we've usually been in the past decade.


This PL doomsday that will consume the entire sport with their money has been trending for 15+ years, on and off depending on whether there's a crisis in Spain & Italy, so it's simply ridiculous. All you need to stop this is increase the money flow in those two leagues and the PL will become an irrelevant bubble once again, and like all bubbles, only those inside of it will think of it as a great thing.

And how long do you think it’s going to be before more than 5 teams overtake us in wage as well? You said it yourself, they’re spending way more than us so it’s not illogical to think their wage bill will eventually match that and overtake us

Also how dafuq can you come up with a statement saying Fulham and Brighton are spending their money badly?

Fulham bought Mitrovic, Anguissa and just last year Palhinha who would literally walk into any Serie A team’s starting XI


Brighton over the last 2-3years alone bought Cucrella for 18m and sold him for 60m, Caicedo for 5m who they’ll end up selling for 70m plus and who btw also walks into any Serie A midfield and bought Mitoma for just 3m and he’s one of the biggest talents in football right now.

All you’ve done is literally prove that you only watch 1 league and then just talk out of your ass as always .. Also you saying the PL bubble will burst if Italy or Spain increase their money flow?

1) Are there any signs that the money flow will increase in Italy or Spain? No

2) How and why would the PL bubble burst? They’re so far ahead of any other league in marketability that the gap is way too big. They have the same gap Serie A had on all the other leagues 20 years ago, difffefence is they capitalized on it and set themselves up to dominate for years and years
 

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Lol I just mentioned two random teams that happen to spend twice as much on salaries than two other random teams, I didn't intend to discuss their transfer market policy :lol:

As for your questions
1) There were signs of Italian football recovery in 2020 but it collapsed due to covid.

2) The PL is thriving on mostly turning a blind eye to illicit financial activity that drives money into the league. Started off with Abramovich who failed to secure the Due Diligence of FIGC when he wanted to buy Fiorentina before they got bust and wouldn't get past it for Parma (who didn't want him involved in the first place). And this is Italy, in the early 2000s. Hardly a regulation paradise. He'd also fail to buy Manchester United which was his primary intention because the LSE would ask for proof of funds. Ironically, after owning Chelsea he was able to get past the DD because he was already approved by an EU member and that was iirc his first plan, but Italians didn't want to sell to a foreigner.
The PL and the EFL do not, they accept the highest bidder even to this day, cue Nottingham Forest's acquisition in 2017 as an example.

So it will burst only if the Americans tell the British that they don't like what's going on. With more Americans involved it's not certain if we're going to complete the money laundering cycle and legitimize the whole thing (we're sort of there now) or if they'll want to cleanse the whole thing as they'd want to stop being involved in such an environment.

There's also no reason to think that there's no room for growth for Italian, French and Spanish leagues. We've already seen lots of interest from investors.
Some billionaires want to sit at a table with the other billionaires, others want to beat them, others may want to create a new source of revenue elsewhere by having a CL winning side.

There's absolutely nothing to suggest that there's less prestige in owning a non-PL team. The only thing that stops it is the fact that it's far much easier to purchase and own an English club because no one asks questions and your money gets things done. In Italy this only happens if you're Agnelli or a friend of his. And they don't like it when other teams get good stuff.

The other issue we have is that apart from Americans who want to have a return on investment (ie profit) and some Arabs who eant to show off their money, there aren't that many interested in investing in sports. The Old Money hates this environment and the New Money that wants to maintain a high status do not want to be involved in a "populist" sport that thrives on dealing with betting companies, shady agents and corrupt organisations.

So whether or not a bubble will burst is unknown, they're already stopped their upward trend from what I saw but it may well be an aftermath of covid, but if you see a resurgence of Spanish and Italian football, it won't matter how much money PL throws because it's not going to be able to compete with the big names. English football doesn't have big name clubs apart from Liverpool and Manchester United as much as Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City are trying and as much as Newcastle will try.

Italy needs to host the Euro (the idiots skipped on 2028 and will go for 2032) and we'll see a rapid recovery around 3-4 years prior to that. Which is closer than it sounds.
Spain similarly wants the 2030 World Cup and they have the two biggest clubs of the century and the greatest club in the world.

It's closer than you think. The PL does not have a viable project as the "dominant" league because its viability depends on other leagues being in a terrible situation, not even just a bad one, since we saw that Spain had the better league in the early and mid 2010s despite the financial issues.
 

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This PL doomsday that will consume the entire sport with their money has been trending for 15+ years, on and off depending on whether there's a crisis in Spain & Italy, so it's simply ridiculous. All you need to stop this is increase the money flow in those two leagues and the PL will become an irrelevant bubble once again, and like all bubbles, only those inside of it will think of it as a great thing

I wish whatever peddling is true, but I have to disagree.

It is a very bitter pill to swallow watching the EPL dominate while growing up with peak Serie A. You say it is a bubble but the EPL market is only gettting bigger outside of Europe. Asia, America and Africa I cannot see Serie A or La liga even close to the EPL even with hosting the Euro's or World Cup.

The more EPL generate, the better quality players they sign and higher tv rights. It's not even close and I dont believe it will be history or not....
 
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