2024/2025 Defenders Rumours Thread

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Oaktree probably wants a young prospect thats already pretty good, but costs like 2M... Good luck finding that.
These reports should be taken with a grain of salt but yeah, this is the feeling I got aswell.

But as said, let's wait and see what happens and not jump to conclusions because some reporters did so. They need to write their pieces so this is what we get. Guesses and predictions, but presented as some short of coherent analysis of the situation.
 

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Theyre clearly trying to replicate what Milan did a few years ago where they found superstars for peanuts from the french league. Great logic and surely is very common and we will have no issues in replicating it.
 

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Surprised we're not linked with Valentini kid from Boca that we were linked witth few months ago. Young, left footed, his contract exxpires in December. He's in talks with Fiorentina.
 

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Done Deal and confirmed! Mattia
#Zanotti will sign for #FCLugano from
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IlGiorno - #Inter , the first name already appears as a possible free transfer for 2025, it is the PSV defender Oliver, born in 1997 #Boscagli !
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@RotterdamNerazzurri you're right, we got linked with Boscagli.
 

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i thought Leoni was for the primavera

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Bs from Gazetta. Kid is 17. There's no chance he goes anywhere near the first team.

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They are not good enough. You are living in a dreamland if you think if someone played a decent season in belgium or swiss league, they are ready for inter. How many really great players came from our primavera in recent years that are capable of playing in inter that fights for trophies? Di marco and maybe zaniolo... That's it... Everyone else disappeared in obscurity regarding the levels we need to stay afloat, and it has nothing to do with their playing time, they had more than enough playing time in the clubs they played for and everything to do with the actual quality. Quality always rises to the top, and they didn't have any FOR THE LEVELS WE NEED.

Our primavera is great at producing lower table seria a and seria b players, and people need to finally realize that. Once in a blue moon you get someone like zaniolo or di marco whose talent is easily recognized and that's it.

How do you know they are not good enough? To my knowledge they not been tested.

As many already more then well laid out, the reason Inter hasn’t produced good enough players is because the development stops at the crucial stage. Far from all players have the magical combination of high raw talent and mentality to break through on their own they need the proper help and guidance. This is something other clubs outside Italy is starting to understand and that is understood to much higher degree in other sports.

There been massive criticism of how we deal with talents, from players experienced other systems, how they where left alone, wasn’t helped etc. leading them to give up and move elsewhere, in some cases stopping all together.

The mentality and over evaluation of experience is a mentally that needs to change, there reasons why the NT ain’t any better. Italy youth NT are doing fine so are ours at young age but once we hit that crucial stage things fall apart because of the mentality that exists in Italy. It’s not a good idea to throw young people around once every year on one loan after another every one who ever dealt with young people and helping them grow would tell you this. To get the best out of them you need to be constantly in touch with them and their development most other sports figured this out years ago. Personally I hope UEFA/FiFA put an end to this madness and ban this practice all together. Personally I still dream of ban against loaning players under the age of 20, that clubs throughout all ranks max can loan out 3 players.
 
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Surprised we're not linked with Valentini kid from Boca that we were linked witth few months ago. Young, left footed, his contract exxpires in December. He's in talks with Fiorentina.
We were linked to him, but Fiorentina were quick to approach the player. Di Marzio confirmed that Fiorentina agreed personal terms with Valentini. How does Oaktree feel about this?

Inter probably aim higher, so let's hope they can get a higher quality player like Bijol. I'm sure Marotta & Ausilio have someone in mind.

GdS: Bayern Munich are unwilling to let Kim Min-jae leave on loan this summer
One more off the list. Moving on...
 

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How do you know they are not good enough? To my knowledge they not been tested.

As many already more then well laid out, the reason Inter hasn’t produced good enough players is because the development stops at the crucial stage. Far from all players have the magical combination of high raw talent and mentality to break through on their own they need the proper help and guidance. This is something other clubs outside Italy is starting to understand and that is understood to much higher degree in other sports.

There been massive criticism of how we deal with talents, from players experienced other systems, how they where left alone, wasn’t helped etc. leading them to give up and move elsewhere, in some cases stopping all together.

The mentality and over evaluation of experience is a mentally that needs to change, there reasons why the NT ain’t any better. Italy youth NT are doing fine so are ours at young age but once we hit that crucial stage things fall apart because of the mentality that exists in Italy. It’s not a good idea to throw young people around once every year on one loan after another every one who ever dealt with young people and helping them grow would tell you this. To get the best out of them you need to be constantly in touch with them and their development most other sports figured this out years ago. Personally I hope UEFA/FiFA put an end to this madness and ban this practice all together. Personally I still dream of ban against loaning players under the age of 20, that clubs throughout all ranks max can loan out 3 players.
You are now mixing two different things here.

Testing young players (in a wider scope) is a thing which is done elsewhere, not at Inter.

Changing a nationwide mentality of hard, cold, results-based approach to the game is a thing, which I would agree to be changed. But it's not changed by Inter starting to test youngsters in its first team.

The first testing happens within the first team, in pre-season, in trainings during the season. And this is done to some extent at Inter. If the young player passes the test, he might get to play. But the result-based approach leads the coaches to use more experienced players who the coaches have bigger certainty what they will get from these players. That's the gist of it.

This discussion in general of using young players is good, but it shouldn't be had when we talk who Inter should sign and who to use on the pitch. Because that discussion is much larger and outside of just Inter scope. And traditionally Inter is not a club which uses young players unless they are exceptional (read: Mario Balotelli).
 

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How do you know they are not good enough? To my knowledge they not been tested.
Inter CANNOT AFFORD to test those players, we are competing for every trophy during the season, that's why we send them on loan to see who will swim and who will sink and most of them sink because what we required is high level of talent from a young player if he wants to get included in the first team. The other foolish option is to use those kids as garbage time fillers, which is an even worse idea, that will potentially stunt their development even more. So you see there is no easy solution here and shouting empty proclaims like give youth more chance is just that if you analyze it with any depth.

And regarding how italians and inter develop youth, I don't give a single fuck about that, there are probably errors somewhere along the lines, but it really is kinda beside the point here. What i m concentrating on here and i m definitely opposed to is inter giving subpar young players chances when they can't even properly prove themselves in veronas, spezias and salernitanas of this world and that's 99,9% of our so-called talent.
 

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Guarro says that all these names mentioned are gonna fade away, as we are pretty much looking for another Bisseck and that 10M could be spent.
 

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For me Mario Hermoso is an obvious choice, am I the only one who thinks that Aсerbi is done and we need a normal reliable defender in the center? It has to be Buongiorno or Bastoni moving to the center of the defense, and we can't sell DeVrij this year.
 

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Guarro says that all these names mentioned are gonna fade away, as we are pretty much looking for another Bisseck and that 10M could be spent.
Guarro is kinda thrustworthy the last couple of mercato’s isn’t he?

Seems like a good strategy tho.
 

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You are now mixing two different things here.

Testing young players (in a wider scope) is a thing which is done elsewhere, not at Inter.

Changing a nationwide mentality of hard, cold, results-based approach to the game is a thing, which I would agree to be changed. But it's not changed by Inter starting to test youngsters in its first team.

It’s never going to change if everyone is so conservative and doesn’t have the guts to be the change. Those teams who have the biggest impact nationwide just happens to be the same teams you think should not do it.
The first testing happens within the first team, in pre-season, in trainings during the season. And this is done to some extent at Inter. If the young player passes the test, he might get to play. But the result-based approach leads the coaches to use more experienced players who the coaches have bigger certainty what they will get from these players. That's the gist of it.
That’s not nearly good enough and not nearly enough time to evaluate or even develop and it’s also that wrong way to go about it. The only talent that ever goes through such test is those rare breed that has the rare ingredients of talent, maturity and mentality at young age.

This discussion in general of using young players is good, but it shouldn't be had when we talk who Inter should sign and who to use on the pitch. Because that discussion is much larger and outside of just Inter scope. And traditionally Inter is not a club which uses young players unless they are exceptional (read: Mario Balotelli).

But that needs to change
 

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If this is the model we're stuck following, we're absolutely fucked. Signing a bunch of unproven 20-25 year olds and hoping our scouting can identify stars, only for Oaktree to want to sell them a few years later.
A new Bisseck is better than a new Arnautovic. Salary save 4x too.
 

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Inter CANNOT AFFORD

You’re almost right, because we cannot afford not to. We hardly have any transfer budget and the only way we can finance anything is selling those of high enough value.

Relying on old washed out has been has already shown to have its limitations as Cuadrado, Klaassen, Sanchez, Arnautovic more than anything showed.

to test those players, we are competing for every trophy during the season, that's why we send them on loan to see who will swim and who will sink and most of them sink

That doesn’t work, I said this for a very long time. you waste ton of talent that way because you don’t have hand on with development and maturing the players. Pretty much anyone in any other sport would tell you this.

The only talent that makes it is those very rare breed that you don’t come by very often. This is largely why we have at large had almost none success in this approach.

because what we required is high level of talent from a young player if he wants to get included in the first team. The other foolish option is to use those kids as garbage time fillers, which is an even worse idea, that will potentially stunt their development even more. So you see there is no easy solution here and shouting empty proclaims like give youth more chance is just that if you analyze it with any depth.

Loaning them out also hinder their development it’s more than well proven, very very few ever make it through with that approach. What is needed is a development plan that also includes that you use them regularly on first team basis.

what you speak off is a conservative fear and lack of trust.

And regarding how italians and inter develop youth, I don't give a single fuck about that, there are probably errors somewhere along the lines, but it really is kinda beside the point here. What i m concentrating on here and i m definitely opposed to is inter giving subpar young players chances when they can't even properly prove themselves in veronas, spezias and salernitanas of this world and that's 99,9% of our so-called talent.

You don’t know what those talents can be able off before you actually start doing a proper development of them and put it to its test. Often they don’t develop into something because you failed at proper development. There plenty of other spots that increased the amount of useable talent by putting an effort into it.
 
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