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Good question. At the moment I would say De Ligt is better deffender and Bastoni is better moving the ball forward. They have different abilities. At the moment, I would say De Ligt is better overall, but Bastoni will eventually outgrow him. The potential for Bastoni is huge, for De Ligt not so much.

Talking bout having some biased glasses on.

Just because he plays for scum doesn't mean he suddenly has no potential.
 

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Good question. At the moment I would say De Ligt is better deffender and Bastoni is better moving the ball forward.
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Bastoni will eventually outgrow him. The potential for Bastoni is huge, for De Ligt not so much.

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Bastoni has the benefit of sharing defensive duties with 2 other world class CBs while Deligt plays alongside an idiot. DeLigt is a boss in defense and a natural born leader. A generational talent. I'm especially happy with Bastoni's progress, especially his composure and character, but lets not go there yet.
 

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Bastoni is a very intelligent defender and has amazing ball-playing abilities apart of him being a very calm and solid defender. It's a luxury for us having a player like him. He's also well matured beyong his years and as far as I remember he rarely commits any brainfart, compared to de Ligt who is prone to them.

de Ligt strikes me as a Premierleague defender. I mean, most of them are aggressive defenders with lots of brainfarts. They tend to give away unnecessary fouls, and so on, meanwhile as for Italian ones, they are known to be more tactical and intelligent.

It has nothing to do with me being an interista, but in all honesty I would choose Bastoni over de Ligt or Demiral, or even the rest of the youngster defenders of the league, any day of the week. Even if I could make a defender on my own, I would probably miss something, but as for Bastoni, the kid is almost faultless. We are so blessed to have him.
 

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Talking bout having some biased glasses on.

Just because he plays for scum doesn't mean he suddenly has no potential.

I am biased. Sure. I am an Interista and I hope Bastoni will become legend.
With the potential, I mean, I think it is easier for Bastoni to develop defensive skills to a degree De Ligt has. On the other hand, developping ball control for De Ligt is much harder.
 

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Bastoni is a very intelligent defender and has amazing ball-playing abilities apart of him being a very calm and solid defender. It's a luxury for us having a player like him. He's also well matured beyong his years and as far as I remember he rarely commits any brainfart, compared to de Ligt who is prone to them.

de Ligt strikes me as a Premierleague defender. I mean, most of them are aggressive defenders with lots of brainfarts. They tend to give away unnecessary fouls, and so on, meanwhile as for Italian ones, they are known to be more tactical and intelligent.

It has nothing to do with me being an interista, but in all honesty I would choose Bastoni over de Ligt or Demiral, or even the rest of the youngster defenders of the league, any day of the week. Even if I could make a defender on my own, I would probably miss something, but as for Bastoni, the kid is almost faultless. We are so blessed to have him.

Like I said he has the benefit of playing in a back 3 alongside DeVrij and Skrinnair. Also keep in mind DeLigt went down with a shoulder injury he's only just hit form now and has become Gobbi's best defender. Did you see the Coppa semi game? He's got it all, physical, strong, passing, excellent anticipation, tackling, playing the highline, leadership, he's borderline world class in all areas. Whats more he has a more experience in higher level games (NT and UCL). I don't think they're comparable at this point in their careers but as things stand DeLigt is levels above Bastoni.
 

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De Ligt is among the best out there today. Don't let the Juve bias cloud that. He is their best defender at this point, above Chiellini and far above Bonucci (who is a joke). Bastoni can get there, but it'll take time.
 

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De Ligt is better player than Bastoni, it is a hard fact that must be admitted. Bastoni has occasional defensive lapses and quite vulnerable to throughball or any movement behind him. Meanwhile, De Ligt stops everything that comes to or through him. We laud Bastoni for his ball distribution, but unfortunately De Ligt is even more superior. Not even his passing is more crisp, he is even better in bringing ball forward. See how he brought ball forward with ease when he played for Ajax.

Now let's talk objective facts. De Ligt captained Ajax and was very close to reach UCL final, he was signed at 75 million fee, and he benches De Vrij in the national team. Those are achieved before he reached 20 years old and he seems to be professional character-wise. What a shame such wonderful talent ends up in the trash club.
 

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Like I said he has the benefit of playing in a back 3 alongside DeVrij and Skrinnair. Also keep in mind DeLigt went down with a shoulder injury he's only just hit form now and has become Gobbi's best defender. Did you see the Coppa semi game? He's got it all, physical, strong, passing, excellent anticipation, tackling, playing the highline, leadership, he's borderline world class in all areas. Whats more he has a more experience in higher level games (NT and UCL). I don't think they're comparable at this point in their careers but as things stand DeLigt is levels above Bastoni.

Why should we bring "benefits" into argument? Bastoni is playing as he is required to, and he excels on it pretty well. And since you mentioned benefits, then of course de Ligt has them and had them as well, because he played for better teams, and especially him being part of the scum means he will automatically gets the favours from the referees. But thats another thing.

Indeed he is doing very well these days and he is going through a very good form, but I remember him as a defender who is prone to brainfarts because he seems to rush into things pretty easy. On another note, Bastoni is known for his calmness even in toughest situations. We can sit and discuss about it all day, but they are different kind of defenders and I said that I would choose Bastoni over de Ligt any day of the week, despite that I agree that de Ligt has more experience in overall, and that is mainly because de Ligt played in a team that gives a lot opportunities to youngsters and winning for them is on the second plan when it comes to Champions League, meanwhile Holland's league compared to Italian league is far inferior.

Bastoni is low-key one of the most consistent performers in this team besides Barella, Handanovic and co, but yet again he doesn't get as much credit as he deserves, and I'm fine with that, but to say that de Ligt is levels above him it's pure bullshit to me.

De Ligt is among the best out there today. Don't let the Juve bias cloud that. He is their best defender at this point, above Chiellini and far above Bonucci (who is a joke). Bastoni can get there, but it'll take time.

Not really. My opinion is purely based of how I see football. He is their best defender indeed, but I mean, Bonucci was never a great defender, the guy was just lucky to play besides Chiellini who was among the best of his generation despite that he's a cunt, and also was lucky to play for the scum as we know how many times they get away with referee's help... like how many penalties not given despite of obvious fouls or challenges and everything.

Age effect has hit Chiellini and that's understandable. I even said in the Lukaku's thread that him outplaying Chiellini doesn't impress me that much because the cunt had injuries and absences over the past couple of seasons therefore he is as good as finished.

De Ligt is better player than Bastoni, it is a hard fact that must be admitted. Bastoni has occasional defensive lapses and quite vulnerable to throughball or any movement behind him. Meanwhile, De Ligt stops everything that comes to or through him. We laud Bastoni for his ball distribution, but unfortunately De Ligt is even more superior. Not even his passing is more crisp, he is even better in bringing ball forward. See how he brought ball forward with ease when he played for Ajax.

Now let's talk objective facts. De Ligt captained Ajax and was very close to reach UCL final, he was signed at 75 million fee, and he benches De Vrij in the national team. Those are achieved before he reached 20 years old and he seems to be professional character-wise. What a shame such wonderful talent ends up in the trash club.


Well, I'm too lazy to search for things right now, but I will try to collect them and eventually post here because I completely disagree on your argument of "de Ligt stops everything that comes to or through him", I mean you're describing him like he's a sort of Walter Samuel or Nesta...

Lemme tell you something, Pique was part of Barca's winning team and he played regularly also was considered as key players at some point, but he was never a great defender. de Ligt benching de Vrij for their NT was unfair because de Vrij was having a superior season to de Ligt and was in fact choosen as defender of the year so...

I'm not even gonna continue with this debate, but just gonna end it here; de Ligt gets more credit than what he deserves.
 

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The only thing that comes to my mind when hearing the name de Ligt is from his first season when someone on this forum said "De ligt, the gift that keeps on giving" :lol:
 

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De Ligt is great, but I like Bastoni a lot, his attitude, his potential, I wouldn't swap them even right now.
 

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Basta is an Interista. Thats all you need to know. De Ligt can't match this.
 

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De Ligt is great, but I like Bastoni a lot, his attitude, his potential, I wouldn't swap them even right now.

Especially with their wage differences. Bastoni will eventually get a huge raise and deservedly so but right now he makes a pittance compared to DL.
 

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Meh, unnecesary comparison. And tbh, a bit unfair. De Ligt has much more experience than Bastoni, and even if better player currently, he is not more talented. Also totally different player, even if they occupy the same posituon.

Bastoni is better on the ball, has better positioning and is slighlty faster, while De Ligt is stronger, better tackler and better with his head. And thats currently. Tbh, at this moment id not swap Bastoni for De Ligt, even if De Ligt iw the better player.
 

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I feel Bastoni's 1v1 ability is often overlooked for the flashier parts of his game. Sky is the limit
 

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Bastoni needs to make sure he's clearing away from the box and not into the centre, that was lucky. He's a phenom for sure, a lot still to learn though.
 

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