Alessandro Fontanarosa

[brakbrak]

i don't remember that top players like CR7, Messi, Neymar, Di maria, Rodri, Haaland, went on loan. They can prove themselves a lot of thriving moments on football without a loan.

Right, they were already top talents at a very young age. None of the players we have produced so far are.

 

[.h.]

Right, they were already top talents at a very young age. None of the players we have produced so far are.

Indeed. They're people who are.playing the very top level of football aged 18/19. A level of football inter as a club can't even consistently get to yet. Plus you produce maybe one of those players every 3-5 years across the globe... So how many thousands of clubs to produce that 1 player

 

[wera]

i don't remember that top players like CR7, Messi, Neymar, Di maria, Rodri, Haaland, went on loan. They can prove themselves a lot of thriving moments on football without a loan.

Football doesn't work like that. I don't think Bisseck would get so many minutes last season without injuries on RCB/RWB spot. No matter how good Bisseck was in training, Inzaghi rarely gives chances to younger players just for the sake of developing players.

 

[Adriano@10]

Indeed. They're people who are.playing the very top level of football aged 18/19. A level of football inter as a club can't even consistently get to yet. Plus you produce maybe one of those players every 3-5 years across the globe... So how many thousands of clubs to produce that 1 player

This people are way overestimating the amount of 18/19 year olds who could hold their own at a top club and even fewer who could sart. The amount of WC players who were not starters in a top club in a top or not even in a top club/ league at 18/19>players who were starting/playing in a top club at that age.

The fact that we can only come up with Messi CR7 Mbappe Haaland and co should tell you everything.

 

[PHM1605]

i don't remember that top players like CR7, Messi, Neymar, Di maria, Rodri, Haaland, went on loan. They can prove themselves a lot of thriving moments on football without a loan.

None of them from Serie A. Say a lot about the cultural difference. There simply isnt enough trust here.

In several decades Dollar is the single case who thrives immediately?

 

[.h.]

None of them from Serie A. Say a lot about the cultural difference. There simply isnt enough trust here.

In several decades Dollar is the single case who thrives immediately?

So dollar is one example
Kn the list above we have one from PT, one from Spain, one from Argentina (di maria doesn't really count), one from Brazil, one from Norway... What's the issue?

Yes it turns out it's really rare to produce generational talents

Spain has only been good in the last decade or so because of, mostly, Barca having to bring through youth. England is doing well ATM because Chelsea and United have had to play more youth in recent years too - like weras comment above about Bisseck

 

[crzdcolombian]

hope we keep him here and use him as cover instead of panic buying. Who knows maybe he will surprise us. Did well in preseason.

 

[PHM1605]

So dollar is one example
Kn the list above we have one from PT, one from Spain, one from Argentina (di maria doesn't really count), one from Brazil, one from Norway... What's the issue?

Yes it turns out it's really rare to produce generational talents

Spain has only been good in the last decade or so because of, mostly, Barca having to bring through youth. England is doing well ATM because Chelsea and United have had to play more youth in recent years too - like weras comment above about Bisseck

I wrote decadeS. The list is a fraction of what so called "list of talents" in the last twenty years or so lol. You know that.

Its rare in Italy. Not in the footballing world.

 

[Corrode]

None of them from Serie A. Say a lot about the cultural difference. There simply isnt enough trust here.

In several decades Dollar is the single case who thrives immediately?

Donnarumman and Veratti. Yeah, two players only who didn't need a loan, thrives immediately and trusted by their clubs since young age at the overseas clubs, become a star, and ironically, two players whom italia NT is lacking, a football star.

 

[.h.]

Donnarumman and Veratti. Yeah, two players only who didn't need a loan, thrives immediately and trusted by their clubs since young age at the overseas clubs, become a star, and ironically, two players whom italia NT is lacking, a football star.

Verrarri ironically also started at a smaller club in Serie B... If you're talking about players who didn't need a loan irrespective of where they developed there's more players that can be added to the list..

 

[Il Drago]

In England there have been many. Sterling, Alexander Arnold, Foden, Rashford, Saka. First names that come to mind. In Spain you have Barca kids of course. In Germany you have Musiala playing for Bayern since he was 16, Muller, Schweinsteiger. There are others outside Bayern (Neuer and Sane at Schalke, Wirtz and Havertz at Leverkusen) but you may not consider their clubs top (at league level). Only in Italy you can't find similar cases.

 

[Adriano@10]

In England there have been many. Sterling, Alexander Arnold, Foden, Rashford, Saka. First names that come to mind. In Spain you have Barca kids of course. In Germany you have Musiala playing for Bayern since he was 16, Muller, Schweinsteiger. There are others outside Bayern (Neuer and Sane at Schalke, Wirtz and Havertz at Leverkusen) but you may not consider their clubs top (at league level). Only in Italy you can't find similar cases.

Balo/ Cassano/ El shaarawy all got plenty playing time at big clubs early in their career

 

[ADRossi]

Balo/ Cassano/ El shaarawy all got plenty playing time at big clubs early in their career

Those are three examples from like 2006-2010. The only noteworthy recent examples are Donnarumma, Pellegri, and this new Milan wunderkind.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

Those are three examples from like 2006-2010. The only noteworthy recent examples are Donnarumma, Pellegri, and this new Milan wunderkind.

Zaniolo, Carboni, Kessie, Locatelli all debuted in Serie A before they turned 20.

 

[Adriano@10]

Those are three examples from like 2006-2010. The only noteworthy recent examples are Donnarumma, Pellegri, and this new Milan wunderkind.

When did schweinsteiger and muller play?

Zaniolo, Carboni, Kessie, Locatelli all debuted in Serie A before they turned 20.

Discussion is around players that started early in their career for big teams...

 

[.h.]

Zaniolo, Carboni, Kessie, Locatelli all debuted in Serie A before they turned 20.

I think the criteria is a very specific.. debuted, not on loan, for a big team and then proceeded to make big strides in their career from there without going in loan

 

[Gal]

What is this narrative of being ruined when on loan? When did this ever happen?

It happened with like +99% of all we ever loaned out. We had about one player that turned out to be something; Dimarco, otherwise loaning out has been nothing short of a failure, and a predictable one at that. It’s not like the talent wasn’t there, it was just poured down into the gutter.

The only player that ever manages this sort of mistreatment is players born with the rare combination of raw talent and psychological strength. However we literally ruining talent by not developing and nursing them ourselves and not having any sort that resembles a plan with them, so we just randomly toss them around various clubs in hope we get something out of the none carrying, negligence treatment. other sports however have figured out to get something out of other then unicorns, this is at large still missing in football, however some clubs are finally start seeing the light.

 

[.h.]

It happened with like +99% of all we ever loaned out, we had about one player that turned out to be something; Dimarco, otherwise loaning out has been nothing short of a failure and a predictable one at that and it’s not like the talent wasn’t there it was just poured down into the gutter.

Pro tip - 99% of youth players don't make it. It's not a question if being loaned or not it's just the numbers game

Plus if you decide "don't loan players" out is the new strategy you systematically change the method. United etc the players who make it without being loaned out are the ones they've decided don't need a loan. It's not like United has a club strategy of NOT loaning players outright. If we turn round and decide we aren't gonna loan youth out all we will have are 20-30 kids who aren't good enough to play for Inter, also not playing somewhere else

All A are B does not mean all B are A

 

[Adriano@10]

It happened with like +99% of all we ever loaned out, we had about one player that turned out to be something; Dimarco, otherwise loaning out has been nothing short of a failure and a predictable one at that and it’s not like the talent wasn’t there it was just poured down into the gutter.

I think your way overestimating success rate of youngster especially at inters level....
Also i d say it s hard to argue causuality when it comes to them being loaned and that being the reason they dont turn out good enough for inter...
Not like the youngsters we tried to incorporate early on did turn out significantly better castagnos/arnautovic/santon/karamoh.....
Again most players at age 18/19 are not ready to be starters at big teams and sitting on the bench wont get them developped.

Matter of fact i d argue non of our current starting 11 would have been good enough to be a starter or even regular from the bench when they were under 20...
also similar things could be said about our treble winning squad

 

[Gal]

Pro tip - 99% of youth players don't make it. It's not a question if being loaned or not it's just the numbers game

Plus if you decide "don't loan players" out is the new strategy you systematically change the method. United etc the players who make it without being loaned out are the ones they've decided don't need a loan. It's not like United has a club strategy of NOT loaning players outright. If we turn round and decide we aren't gonna loan youth out all we will have are 20-30 kids who aren't good enough to play for Inter, also not playing somewhere else

All A are B does not mean all B are A

They don’t make it because of clubs don’t put any sort of effort into it, they hope that some unicorn end up in their laps, which of course never really happens.

What you describe is the classic big club in a populous country symptom, smaller countries long figured out they need to work with what they have, meaning their success rate is potentially higher, because they cannot afford throwing things that might develop into something useful into the gutter.

There many talent out there but who lack the mentality and psychological strength, all of these are lost with the sort of treatment you see Inter practising