Andrea Stramaccioni

[sanka]

Stankovic :derpcry:

 

[Bergpavian]

Here is a nice little story I read that made me think a lot about how the attitude towards coaches has changed.

In 1986, a competitive club hired a coach in hopes to lead them to glory. In his first season he ended up at 11th place, way below the 4th place finish they had the season before. Yet during the summer he was granted a significant sum to be spent on the summer market. The next season the club ended up in second place, so the manager got another huge transfer purse. Unfortunately, the season after that the club were back in 11th place. Still, the club insisted on giving the manager even more money in the summer for transfers.

The next season, the club went on a run of 8 games with 6 defeats and 2 draws, that lead up to a humiliating 5-1 derby loss. By this point the fans and the press have had enough and were publicly calling for the coach's sacking. Yet, the club's board met with the coach and assured him they were happy with his work, and decided they would keep him on.

That coach's name is Alex Ferguson.

Nice story. But before coming to Manchester Ferguson broke the dominance of Celtic and Rangers in Scotland with leading Aberdeen to three championships and four cup wins. And he won the Cup Winners' Cup with Aberdeen. So it seems that he knew what he is doing.

 

[.h.]

Nice story. But before coming to Manchester Ferguson broke the dominance of Celtic and Rangers in Scotland with leading Aberdeen to three championships and four cup wins. And he won the Cup Winners' Cup with Aberdeen. So it seems that he knew what he is doing.

no man, roma amateur league scudetto is comparable to that.

The domination of the parliament mens football team and Gladiators United is legendary



also it should be pointed out that united were 45 minutes away from sacking ferguson in an FA cup tie.. (iirc)

 

[I4E]

no man, roma amateur league scudetto is comparable to that.

The domination of the parliament mens football team and Gladiators United is legendary




also it should be pointed out that united were 45 minutes away from sacking ferguson in an FA cup tie.. (iirc)

True, but they didn't ...

 

[.h.]

sure, and as berg points out, fergie vs strama is a ridiculous comparison.

Fergie had had 12 years of top flight (ish, it is scotland after all, but this wasnt too far after they were still not bad) professional football management.

Strama has 8 months.

Nuff said

 

[king_elnino]

From a genius coz defeat juve.
To a dumbass coz defeat by siena..

 

[I4E]

sure, and as berg points out, fergie vs strama is a ridiculous comparison.

Fergie had had 12 years of top flight (ish, it is scotland after all, but this wasnt too far after they were still not bad) professional football management.

Strama has 8 months.

Nuff said

I think your missing MANTA's point Bro(wha). He's not comparing Strama with Fergie, but the circumstances he was in.

 

[.h.]

I understand that, but my point is that even the circumstances are different. Ferguson had every historical indicator to demonstrate he might be able to turn it around into something better/more successful. Strama, however, doesnt have any experience of coaching professional men.

 

[yoszee]

younger squad, less wages, two defenders who have gotten to play with each other for almost a whole season, a star ready to play, a regista. sounds pretty good to me so far

But not with the current coach.
Even my grandma will confuse what kind of football he's playing.

 

[I4E]

I understand that, but my point is that even the circumstances are different. Ferguson had every historical indicator to demonstrate he might be able to turn it around into something better/more successful. Strama, however, doesnt have any experience of coaching professional men.

Bahahaha there has been a tonne of managers with 'historical indicators' that have failed miserably across many clubs. :Zeman:

If Inter was totally out of contention (mathematically) for a top 3 finish, it 'may' be a consideration.

 

[perika]

Resignation is the best choice for strama...

 

[MANTA]

I am not comparing Strama to Ferguson as coaches, I am comparing people's attitude.

You are telling me, if we had gotten a coach with some history, like Zeman, and he gave us not one but two season of what he just gave Roma after allowed Roma's market spend, putting us out of Europe twice, and then had a run of 8 games with only two points and then got thrashed by Milan, that you would not be asking for his sacking because of his experience? Is experience the deciding factor when choosing whether to sack a coach?

The moral of this story is coaches should be given a proper chance. Ferguson wasn't kept because of his experience, but because he COULD improve. If a noob coach could come 3 points from his target in his first year as coach, a target that a meta analysis of pre-season predictions put as unlikely, yet people are calling for his sacking. Management should support him like he supported them in every decision they made in order to save wages.

 

[Hugo Boss]

Is Di Mateo available?

You want us to park the plane again!? :notbad:

 

[Bergpavian]

The moral of this story is coaches should be given a proper chance. Ferguson wasn't kept because of his experience, but because he COULD improve. If a noob coach could come 3 points from his target in his first year as coach, a target that a meta analysis of pre-season predictions put as unlikely, yet people are calling for his sacking. Management should support him like he supported them in every decision they made in order to save wages.

Again: In our position for me it's not the results and not how many points we have. I could also live with the 34 points of Roma when I see some progress or plan. But: We had our winning streak and even then we played terrible. And without that streak we would be in relegation zone.

Our game against Torino was terrible ... but Siena was even worse. I saw a team acting like a headless chicken. And I saw an overchallenged and resigning coach not knowing what to do at the sideline.

 

[.h.]

I never claimed a historic indicator was the SOLE measure of the coach.

I am prepared to place a substantial wager that, if we do see out the season with Strama, we wont be anything like 3 points from CL. We're in relegation form, the only thing that has kept us out of 15th place is the 7 match winning streak.

you really dont understand why people are criticising him, do you? It's not because of where we sit in the league - though that does have an impact - but rather, the manner of our team. There's no coherence, there's NO development since the start of the season (infact a substantial backwards step), there's no sign of the core issues changing (Zanetti keeps playing in midfield, for example).

 

[Shaun]

You want us to park the plane again!? :notbad:

EUROPEAN CUP BABY

 

[Inter7]

I dont believe its big changes, we need minor tweeks, how can you guys blame him with the midfield he had available. Imho he has over achieved, the siena game was a result with people practicing one day with the team.

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[Wobblz]

Imho he has over achieved, the siena game was a result with people practicing one day with the team.

Although I wanted to see all of our new acquisitions I too agree he tried to integrate Kuz and that fucker Lotto way too fast. Where Kuzmanovic did an ok job, Schelotto was responsible for all of the threats/goals Siena had in one way or another. Strama fucked up real bad with pairing him and Jay-Z cause they looked like a mess.

 

[Inter7]

Schelotto wasnt on the field for the pk I blame chivu

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[Shaun]

We only need tweaks? A team that apparently is aiming at the title according to their owner gets dominated by Torino and Siena in recent games only needs tweaks?