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People clown gagliardini as if we were still under Conte when he was overutilized. He played a mere 600 mins last season which was his lowest number of mins in the past 5 years or so. He's an okay bench option, as long as he doesn't start.
But doesn't the fact that he played 600min means he's not needed at all at our club and that any young player from the primavera could get the job done?
 

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I'd love to see how many games we were 'comfortably' leading against a mid/bottom table team with 20 min left to go last season that we'd then throw on a kid?


I wouldnt wanna risk throwing a game, so maybe vs Geona is just about okay (3-0 with 16 min left), not vs Veona, not vs Samp, vs Bologna was fine, not Fiorentina, Atalanta, Sass, Lazio, Juve,

maybe vs Empoli, Udinese, not Milan, Napli, even Venezia was 1-0 until 96 min, Spezia fine, you'd be crazy to risk it vs Roma even at 3-0, Cagliari fine, Salernitana fine,


there's like maybe 6 games a season that fulfill that criteria, 120 minutes of development is a waste of his time - send him out on loan.
Rather than paying someone around 2.5 million a year to play those 120 min. I'd rather distribute it to our primavera players to reward/test them.
 

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the italy team which lost to north macedonia started:

Donnarumma (23)
Florenzi (31)
Mancini (25)
Bastoni (22)
Emerson (27)
Barella (25)
Jorginho (30)
Verratti (29)
Berardi (27)
Insigne (30)
Immobile (32)

its not exactly 'that' old - subs on included Raspadori and Tonali...
this formation was old. 5 players over 28, no ambitious youngster under 23, and most of them are under performing/finished. so yes Italy are lacking talents (youngster one) and still starts some finished players in the roster...... (Florenzi should not be mentioned for NT ffs)
 

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Rather than paying someone around 2.5 million a year to play those 120 min. I'd rather distribute it to our primavera players to reward/test them.
that why the club are bleeding 200 m per season.... if he trust some youngster (primavera/other newbie), those bleeding will never happen.
 

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I’m just not seeing what the development plan is here. I hope it’s not a loan to a relegation side in Italy. I can just see him sitting the bench all season resulting in these offers to monetize him evaporating. I’d rather we send him on loan abroad like we did with Esposito or Agoume. Switzerland, Belgium, Netherlands, anywhere but Italy.

The management did say they want to add 2-3 players from the youth team to the first team, but I don’t see room in midfield. The rumor is Carboni will be added but he’s disappeared as well.
 

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This actually seems quite old for a national team. Most national team players retire around 30, no?
not really

the starting line up's average age there was 27

Just as random without any prior expectation to the answer, I looked at Germany 5 - 2 Italy

Germany was:

Neuer (36)
Klostermann (26)
Sule (26)
Rudiger (29)
Raum (24)
Gundogan (31)
Kimmich (27)
Hofmann (30)
Muller (32)
Sane (26)
Werner (26)

that's an average age of 28.5




Spain v Czech Republic
Simon (25)
Carvajal (30)
Garcia (21)
Martinez (31)
Alonso (31)
Soler (25)
Rodri (26)
Koke (30)
Asensio (26)
Morata (29)
Olmo (24)

average age 27.1



The problem with Italy's national team isnt the age of the players being brought through, its the lack of raw talent. And that's the exact problem with Italian primaveras in general - the talent isnt good enough, imho. There are a few bright sparks every now and then, but like, the lack of a striker right now is a disgrace. The lack of more talent at CB. Florenzi. Emerson... etc
 

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the 5-2 germany game, btw, Italy's starting line up was:

Donnarumma (23)
Spinazzola (29)
Bastoni (23)
Mancini (26)
Calabria (25)
Barella (25)
Cristante (27)
Frattesi (22)
Gnonto (18)
Raspadori (22)
Politano (28)

24.3 average age. Much younger team than the germans.

Do we still think the problem is the age of our players? Lol. No, the problem is that the best team Italy can put together includes Mancini, Calabria, Gnonto, Raspadori, Politano.
 

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Rather than paying someone around 2.5 million a year to play those 120 min. I'd rather distribute it to our primavera players to reward/test them.
It was just said that it's those 120mins which could be distributed to a Primavera player. But Gagliardini played more than those mins. Minutes which you cannot give to a kid who can fuck up at any minute at some basic thing and we lose points. You ready to lose points for the sake of player development?
 

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But doesn't the fact that he played 600min means he's not needed at all at our club and that any young player from the primavera could get the job done?
How do you know that any young player from the Primavera could get the job done? Gags did a good job locking up SMS, could Casedei have done the same? I think people are underestimating how hard to get the basic stuff done right and overestimating how hard it is to get those Primavera get those basic stuff done.

Also noone wants to buy him so we are stuck with him lol
 

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What if Barcelona had this attitude? We wouldn’t know about Gavi or Pedri who are now already national team regulars and younger than Casadei. I’m not saying this kid is going to be as good as them, but I really don’t understand the fear of giving him a chance.
 

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the chances start on the training pitch, and I'm sure if he demonstrated it there, he'd get the chance the next level up. Asllani and Bellanova show that we're comfortable taking a bit of a risk on a younger player
 

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What if Barcelona had this attitude? We wouldn’t know about Gavi or Pedri who are now already national team regulars and younger than Casadei. I’m not saying this kid is going to be as good as them, but I really don’t understand the fear of giving him a chance.
Are our kids at Gavi/Pedri level? Like said above, you earn your place on the pitch in the training ground.

Chance giving means giving player the opportunity to train with the first team. Then coach decides can this guy play on the match. If we rather loan these guys somewhere, it means coach doesn't see the player ready for Inter.
 

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Are our kids at Gavi/Pedri level? Like said above, you earn your place on the pitch in the training ground.

Chance giving means giving player the opportunity to train with the first team. Then coach decides can this guy play on the match. If we rather loan these guys somewhere, it means coach doesn't see the player ready for Inter.
yeah, its not like its just PRIMAVERA -> FIRST TEAM STAR

Primavera, Primavera+Training with first team, First team + playing with Primavera, First team full-time (e.g. training), first team squad, first team sub, first team start

I would guess if our guys arent getting into even matchday squads, its because they look like kids on the training ground vs men


Notice how consistently with good youth players, the one thing people always reflect on is their maturity? Bastoni, Asllani, Donnarumma, etc - you'll always see the same comments, how they carry themselves with the maturity and experience of a better player
 

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Yeah, well said.

Inzaghi has zero trouble throwing Asllani in because Asllani has the basics right and he actually brings something to the table.

First team coach at Inter is always main responsible for the results of the first team, that's his main priority. Thus developing young players, giving them chances isn't in coach's priority list unless it at the same time serves some purpose for the main priority.
 

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and to labour the point, this is why i really like our current direction with development. The most important thing for these guys is GAME TIME - put them on loan at the highest level where they can play >50% of the minutes in a season. They'll show their true quality & develop there.
 

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the 5-2 germany game, btw, Italy's starting line up was:

Donnarumma (23)
Spinazzola (29)
Bastoni (23)
Mancini (26)
Calabria (25)
Barella (25)
Cristante (27)
Frattesi (22)
Gnonto (18)
Raspadori (22)
Politano (28)

24.3 average age. Much younger team than the germans.

Do we still think the problem is the age of our players? Lol. No, the problem is that the best team Italy can put together includes Mancini, Calabria, Gnonto, Raspadori, Politano.

haha I don't know who half those guys are.... also saw that Italy called some kid from the Swiss league or something that Inter Didn't want. Like fk its funny when the US does that shit.... when Italy does its just sad.

Italy also just has an insane hard on for Argentina. Stop making their NT better by using their B league talents or youth team talent then not giving your own the chance.
 

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Gnonto left because we couldn't convince him about a development plan fyi
 

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Gnonto left because we couldn't convince him about a development plan fyi
And I believe he wanted way more money than what we offered.
 
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Yeah, well said.

Inzaghi has zero trouble throwing Asllani in because Asllani has the basics right and he actually brings something to the table.

First team coach at Inter is always main responsible for the results of the first team, that's his main priority. Thus developing young players, giving them chances isn't in coach's priority list unless it at the same time serves some purpose for the main priority.

Yeah I don’t agree. I think that results of the first team are also important for Barcelona, Manchester City, Liverpool, Manchester United, Bayern Munich, etc. In fact many of those teams have comfortably outperformed Inter. Yet all those teams have managed to give opportunities to academy graduates in recent years.

We are not the norm. Nor is the level of this league higher than any of the leagues those teams play in. Italian youth teams compete just fine at their level, yet somehow our kids aren’t ready to play with adults but theirs are? Nope sorry not buying that. It’s a mentality issue, always has been and always will be.
 

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Do our youth team compete just fine against those?

Coach has a lot of responsibility here. Italian coaches do not like young players when they are not mature. As long as we hire coaches who think this way, nothing is gonna change.
 
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