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Yeah I don’t agree. I think that results of the first team are also important for Barcelona, Manchester City, Liverpool, Manchester United, Bayern Munich, etc. In fact many of those teams have comfortably outperformed Inter. Yet all those teams have managed to give opportunities to academy graduates in recent years.

We are not the norm. Nor is the level of this league higher than any of the leagues those teams play in. Italian youth teams compete just fine at their level, yet somehow our kids aren’t ready to play with adults but theirs are? Nope sorry not buying that. It’s a mentality issue, always has been and always will be.
It would be nice to develop him, but now i don't see where he'll play, even as substitute. For me it's better to go on loan somewhere and get experience. Also, he could be evaluated by the management and eventually to get a rotational place in the team next season, but Zangs are ready to sell everybody if get a decent offer.
 

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It would be nice to develop him, but now i don't see where he'll play, even as substitute. For me it's better to go on loan somewhere and get experience. Also, he could be evaluated by the management and eventually to get a rotational place in the team next season, but Zangs are ready to sell everybody if get a decent offer.
I’m fine with that if there is no space in the squad. I’m not anti loaning players. I just don’t buy the we shouldn’t even try him because he’s young and might take a dump on himself in midfield. My point is other better teams have found ways to at least give their best talents a debut. Not all will pan out but none ever will if you make them all wait till they’re almost 20 to kick a ball professionally.
 

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Do our youth team compete just fine against those?

Coach has a lot of responsibility here. Italian coaches do not like young players when they are not mature. As long as we hire coaches who think this way, nothing is gonna change.
We agree on this point. It’s the mentality of the coaches, but it also starts from the top. Italy is brutal on managers, a few bad results and you’re on the hot seat. When you’re scared of your own shadow you’re less likely to take risk. This mentality should have died off sometime in the 2000s though when Serie A fell off it’s perch. This league should honestly be doing everything possible to develop young talent at this point, just to stay alive.

Look at the players leaving this league. Daamsgard, Theate, Viti. This league is hemorrhaging players and they’re not even going to great teams. If Serie A doesn’t start developing talent rapidly it is 100% going to fall behind. That’s more of a league issue then an Inter issue though.
 

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I honestly don't get the argument of Gaglia done well against SMS. It's one match out of God knows how many, so it's not a thing.

There's no way I can be convinced that we can't have a youth player for our 6th option in medfield. No1 is saying promote someone as our 1st back up from the bench. And it's not like player D is the sub for player A and player E is the sub for player B etc. So why do we need to have a player that is extremely useless to our current football (not that he ever was useful) take valuable minutes from our future?

There's one fact here and that is Gaglia is relegation battle level player. Someone like that should never ever take minutes no matter how many from our prospects. These minutes should be used to introduce and gradually develop our talents. Other clubs manage to do it so I don't understand why we can't do it.
 

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Nice to see that this thread, for the most part, is really about a philosophy on what a financially, stressed club within an economically " second rate" league should do with an encouraging young talent. Torino wanted him at one point now Chelsea wants to develop him in their youth team.
What's Inter doing?
1) Not giving time in preseason,
2) Using him as bait as part of a transfer deal with a buy back clause, that no one agrees too currently
3) haven't sent him on loan with less than 2 weeks before the start of the season to further his development with maximum playing time.

Grande.
 

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Yeah I don’t agree. I think that results of the first team are also important for Barcelona, Manchester City, Liverpool, Manchester United, Bayern Munich, etc. In fact many of those teams have comfortably outperformed Inter. Yet all those teams have managed to give opportunities to academy graduates in recent years.

We are not the norm. Nor is the level of this league higher than any of the leagues those teams play in. Italian youth teams compete just fine at their level, yet somehow our kids aren’t ready to play with adults but theirs are? Nope sorry not buying that. It’s a mentality issue, always has been and always will be.

But dude, has any of these teams slowly introduced a young player to their squad and let them develop at their own pace? I don't think there's any recently.

Any youngster induced to their squads recently had to deliver instantly, player like Pedri, Fati, TAA, Davies... are simply too good and age is simply a number to them. Instead, you should compare Casadei with Riqui Puig, Pulisic or Kubo who are now stuck in the limbo of being talented yet underdeveloped. For these players, the argument has always been they should have left when they could.
 

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But dude, has any of these teams slowly introduced a young player to their squad and let them develop at their own pace? I don't think there's any recently.

Any youngster induced to their squads recently had to deliver instantly, player like Pedri, Fati, TAA, Davies... are simply too good and age is simply a number to them. Instead, you should compare Casadei with Riqui Puig, Pulisic or Kubo who are now stuck in the limbo of being talented yet underdeveloped. For these players, the argument has always been they should have left when they could.
But the point is we could have a TAA or Pedri and never know about it because we won’t even let them touch the field. You can’t convince me if we had Gavi or Pedri in our primavera they would be playing for Inter right now. It’s one thing when a player is so physically superior it’s hard to ignore like Davies, but a 5’8 scrawny Pedri would never have gotten a real opportunity here.
 

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Pedri is a bad example..he was signed from another club after almost 40 league games. We took a bigger gamble on Bastoni and Asllani than Barca did with Pedri. You make it sound like he was a complete unknown when Barca started playing him
 

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But the point is we could have a TAA or Pedri and never know about it because we won’t even let them touch the field. You can’t convince me if we had Gavi or Pedri in our primavera they would be playing for Inter right now. It’s one thing when a player is so physically superior it’s hard to ignore like Davies, but a 5’8 scrawny Pedri would never have gotten a real opportunity here.
But could we really have? I'm sure if we had TAA or Pedri in the Primavera, coach would spot the talent in the trainings? They play football in trainings too.
 

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You gotta stop hiding behind this "coaches watch him in training every day" excuse.

I don't doubt for a second most of our youth is indeed likely very subpar. Rather than pointing to the common denominator that is all our previous coaches of the past decade unanimously assessing that no youngster at Inter was worth launching, you should be more concerned with the complete lack of club ambition to grow its' own products. The complete lack of long-term transfer strategy. That's where it begins and ends.

Maldini has been a sporting director for all of 3 years and it's already extremely visible what Milan is trying to do - buy technical and pacy young talent who will grow but who are also ready and capable enough to contribute immediately. Worst case scenario they dismally flop like Silva, Paqueta and Piatek and you can always sell them for good money because there will be others willing to take a chance on their potential. Can't do that with Mkhitaryan's and Dzeko's. Can anyone even describe or identify what our transfer strategy is?

As for Limone, as far as I'm concerned he's a fucking idiot so I couldn't care less or trust what he sees in training.

Guy has a non-existent record of promoting youth throughout his career (despite being a primavera coach), religiously subs off Lautaro after 50 minutes every game, like clockwork, in favor of the rotting corpse of Dzeko, and I'm supposed to trust his judgment on youth?
 

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But if we look back at the talents who have been produced - who has gone on to be at a level useful to Inter? I'd argue only Zaniolo. It's not like there are masses and masses of ex-Inter primavera players competing at a level that would be useful for us


Yet again, its not like we're afraid of youth - look at how old Bastoni, Barella, Lautaro, etc, were when we signed them. So the 'Inter doesnt trust youth' argument just doesnt stack up.

Inter doesnt have the patience to develop youth properly -> That I can 100% believe. But Inter doesnt trust them? Makes no sense. We started a 20 year old who had no high level gameplay history previously week in week out at the 2nd hardest position on the pitch for a young player, ffs
 

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I find Uni's transformation quite amazing. Years of the banter era couldn't break his sense of humor but just a small taste of success again has turned him into one of the most serious, grumpy posters in the history of this forum :lol:
 

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Yeah I don’t agree. I think that results of the first team are also important for Barcelona, Manchester City, Liverpool, Manchester United, Bayern Munich, etc. In fact many of those teams have comfortably outperformed Inter. Yet all those teams have managed to give opportunities to academy graduates in recent years.

We are not the norm. Nor is the level of this league higher than any of the leagues those teams play in. Italian youth teams compete just fine at their level, yet somehow our kids aren’t ready to play with adults but theirs are? Nope sorry not buying that. It’s a mentality issue, always has been and always will be.
Which players have come from man city's academy? Only foden cause he is a generational talent. One player is hardly giving chances to academy players.
 

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I thought Casadei was just a midfielder that is good at heading and scores goals, but otherwise is still far from even being a bench player for Inter. I'm sure Asllani and Agoume are better players
 

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Just to add to young players list - Skriniar, Asllani and Hakimi. Our primavera does not produce top players, which can step in the first team at very young age. Biraghi, Dimarco, Duncan, Faraoni - all of them are/ were in midtable clubs and couldn't be anything more than bench players at Inter even now. How do you see anybody of them to get a regular playing time here at age of 19-20?
 

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and if you notice the development path of all those guys, they're getting chances at clubs to get first team experience from a very young age - that's why, imho, its critical for us to loan out our youth at teams who are GONNA PLAY THEM
 

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Just to add to young players list - Skriniar, Asllani and Hakimi. Our primavera does not produce top players, which can step in the first team at very young age. Biraghi, Dimarco, Duncan, Faraoni - all of them are/ were in midtable clubs and couldn't be anything more than bench players at Inter even now. How do you see anybody of them to get a regular playing time here at age of 19-20?
In my opinion, it's very important to keep promising young players in the club and give some decent amount of match practice. This way, they will not only grow physically/technically but also mentally. Kids learn subconsciously they are playing for a big club and that they always have to aim high. If you send them to small clubs, yes they will get match practice, but they grow up weak mentally. That's why I believe those you listed became mediocrities.
 

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I dont think theres any evidence for that.

Only, really, Donnarumma, Calabria, broke through at a big club as a youth player? The rest of them left to develop elsewhere or were at smaller clubs - Bastoni, Mancini, Locatelli, Cristante, Pessina, Frattesi, Scamacca, Raspadori, etc...
 
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