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This is how I view it: we have a youth player who put up video game stats last season, who is actively being pursued by some of the largest clubs in Europe.

Is there a chance he blows, his numbers were flukey and are the result of him being a tad old? Yes. But if that's the case, we should be looking to sell him outright and not looking for a buyback clause. Trust your scouting.

Clearly we think there's something there. Why not give him a chance to earn his keep?
Because maybe they think he can develop into more than 8-10 mln player, and they want to get more sweet plusvalenza.
 

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But you are talking as if we've had Foden level talent so we have no excuse giving chances to our Foden level talents.

City also needs to comply with HG rules so they need their own kids in their squad.
The point is we don’t really know what we have because we won’t give them a chance. Everyone raves about Valentin Carboni who watches the primavera, he got what, 10 minutes all preseason? In that short cameo he almost scored a long range effort, now he is training with the primavera again.

It’s easy to just say our kids aren’t this or that when we don’t set them up for success. If Foden was here he would probably have gone on loan to Serie B because he needed experience.
 

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we signed Bastoni with 3 games under his belt.

Asllani has a total of 1350 minutes

Pedri had like >2x that.

That’s true but Bastoni still played a full season as a starter at Parma before brought him back. He was also lucky to be right place at the right time with a coach that played back 3 and needed a LCB. Bastoni was an investment, he wasn’t bought specifically for Conte to use as a 19 year old.

Either way we are talking about kids from our youth team. Not investments like Kovacic, Bastoni, Asllani who already have first team experience. If those players were here would they even make a debut?
 

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The point is we don’t really know what we have because we won’t give them a chance. Everyone raves about Valentin Carboni who watches the primavera, he got what, 10 minutes all preseason? In that short cameo he almost scored a long range effort, now he is training with the primavera again.

It’s easy to just say our kids aren’t this or that when we don’t set them up for success. If Foden was here he would probably have gone on loan to Serie B because he needed experience.
We are going round and round this one now.

It is that you claim we don't know what we have, while it might be we (Inter) know what we have but the fans just don't know it. And because we as fans have not seen it what we have, we make assumption we might have something but because we don't see it, we never know. So we actually might have something?

That's some kind of bias I don't know the name of. These kids have been given the chance the train with the first team. If they don't get minutes in preseason matches, is this really coach's fault? Or are these players simply not good enough yet? Maybe we just don't have these fodens or TAAs in our Primavera. They simply are not there.
 

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We are going round and round this one now.

It is that you claim we don't know what we have, while it might be we (Inter) know what we have but the fans just don't know it. And because we as fans have not seen it what we have, we make assumption we might have something but because we don't see it, we never know. So we actually might have something?

That's some kind of bias I don't know the name of. These kids have been given the chance the train with the first team. If they don't get minutes in preseason matches, is this really coach's fault? Or are these players simply not good enough yet? Maybe we just don't have these fodens or TAAs in our Primavera. They simply are not there.
Fire every youth scout we have then.
 

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We are going round and round this one now.

It is that you claim we don't know what we have, while it might be we (Inter) know what we have but the fans just don't know it. And because we as fans have not seen it what we have, we make assumption we might have something but because we don't see it, we never know. So we actually might have something?

That's some kind of bias I don't know the name of. These kids have been given the chance the train with the first team. If they don't get minutes in preseason matches, is this really coach's fault? Or are these players simply not good enough yet? Maybe we just don't have these fodens or TAAs in our Primavera. They simply are not there.
So you are saying that coaches in Inter knew how Zaniolo was good and they get rid of him for that pathetic deal for alcohol damaged goon Ninja? That people deserve instant sacking or if they are no longer in club they should compensate to club millions of dolars cause they obviously caused big damage.. I think our coaches are just incompetent lazy fuckers with no balls, they never gave Zaniolo fkn chance. Same can happen with Casadei. We need to develop young players if we continue to be in this state.
 

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I notice no one answered pier's question yet

How many of you have seen Casadei play?
 

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I notice no one answered pier's question yet

How many of you have seen Casadei play?
How many saw Zaniolo? You think Chelsea would wanted him if he is not good? For that money? We saw Gags. One of the worst ever in our jersey. Only midfield player worse than Gags is friggin Vecino.
 

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I notice no one answered pier's question yet

How many of you have seen Casadei play?
Only seen him play the semi's and final for the primavera. I saw a player who needs development before he is ready for Inter.
 

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We are going round and round this one now.

It is that you claim we don't know what we have, while it might be we (Inter) know what we have but the fans just don't know it. And because we as fans have not seen it what we have, we make assumption we might have something but because we don't see it, we never know. So we actually might have something?

That's some kind of bias I don't know the name of. These kids have been given the chance the train with the first team. If they don't get minutes in preseason matches, is this really coach's fault? Or are these players simply not good enough yet? Maybe we just don't have these fodens or TAAs in our Primavera. They simply are not there.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. The truth is no one knows 100% who is going to make it in senior football and who isn’t. Even the worlds best scouts get it wrong year in year out. Half the guys who make it to the top flight were not phenomenons at the youth level. Opportunity, mentality, ability and a little bit of luck all play a factor. The one thing we can control is opportunity and we are denying our youngsters of that.

I’ll just leave it at that.
 

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How many saw Zaniolo? You think Chelsea would wanted him if he is not good? For that money? We saw Gags. One of the worst ever in our jersey. Only midfield player worse than Gags is friggin Vecino.
its a pretty simple question. Just curious what the answer is :)
 

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The point is that even one of the richest clubs that spent 100 mil on Jack Grealish has given chances to its most talented youth players.

Foden broke through and has become a very important player. Eric Garcia was given his debut in senior football and made a regular contributor. Brahim Díaz was given opportunities.

It’s not always going to work out, but if a team with all the money in the world in a more competitive league can give its most talented youth a shot there is no excuse for Inter.
If we are going to classify 348 minutes as an opportunity ( that is diaz total man city mins) then I am sure we can find a few inter youngsters who got 4 games. Pina for instance got 329 minutes and radu 362 minutes for Inter.
 
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We’ll have to agree to disagree. The truth is no one knows 100% who is going to make it in senior football and who isn’t. Even the worlds best scouts get it wrong year in year out. Half the guys who make it to the top flight were not phenomenons at the youth level. Opportunity, mentality, ability and a little bit of luck all play a factor. The one thing we can control is opportunity and we are denying our youngsters of that.

I’ll just leave it at that.
I refuse you leaving this here.

Define this opportunity.

I really don't get the fuck you guys want. That coach puts kid on the pitch in a preseason match for the fans to see that he's not ready?
 

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I refuse you leaving this here.

Define this opportunity.

I really don't get the fuck you guys want. That coach puts kid on the pitch in a preseason match for the fans to see that he's not ready?
Yes. Atleast we will see him how good/bad he is. We already know how bad Gags is so why not? Its a win win situation.
 

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the thing is preseason is hardly a comparison either though. I mean, hell, do you not remember the Biraghi wondergoal? Or was it Andrea Mira everyone thought was going to be our Xavi?
 

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the thing is preseason is hardly a comparison either though. I mean, hell, do you not remember the Biraghi wondergoal? Or was it Andrea Mira everyone thought was going to be our Xavi?
Yea but we all know now that Gags is wood and theres no way anything can change there.
 

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If we are going to classify 348 minutes as an opportunity ( that is diaz total man city mins) then I am sure we can find a few inter youngsters who got 4 games. Pina for instance got 329 minutes and radu 362 minutes for Inter.

What? Brahim transferred to Real Madrid for 17 million euros with only 6 months left on his contract. Probably in part because they saw him playing adult football! That is a success story.

If we gave 300 minutes to Casadei last year maybe the offer from Chelsea would be double, who knows? Certainly not Inter.
 

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I notice no one answered pier's question yet

How many of you have seen Casadei play?
That's beside the point tbh. It's not about Casadei only. It's more than. It's about our lack of faith in our own primavera players and our preference to give minutes to players who don't add value.

As for Casadei if he was not worth it then we wouldn't be pushing to insert a buy back clause.
 

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Giving a youth player some playing time as a 5th or 6th option should not be too much to ask. Vidal was absolutely fucking useless last season and I refuse to believe that we do not have in our ranks a young player that could not have done equal to or better than Vidal's performances.

Some posters have commented on how Inter are demanding a buy back clause in relation to Casadei. The reason they are doing so is because his stats at youth team level are impressive but they have absolutely no data to make an assessment of him playing for the first team. Rightly, the club fears possibly losing a promising young player without having given itself the opportunity to assess him at senior level: whether that be in friendlies or during the season.

I think an important distinction that needs to be made here is that giving a place in the squad to Casadei or any other young player is inherently more valuable than allowing Vecino a place to wait out the end of his contract; Vidal being a disappointment and liability each time he played; or Gagliardini who simply has no idea. Why? Because it gives the player the chance to learn every day from great professionals that have a huge amount of expereince both at club and at International level. It also allows the club to observe the player up close and see how hungry and determined they are to try and establish themselves. Right now, I am wondering if the club knows what they have in Casadei which is why they are insisting on a buy-back cluase or whether they are worried about giving away a young talent without having properly sampled what he has to offer. Giving him pre-season minutes would have assisted the club's assessment of the player.

The way I see it, before the club makes any decision that could be long lasting/permanent in relation to his future, their should be a sample, no matter how small, of what he can do with the first team. And if it is simply the case that he is not ready for first team football, then he needs to be loaned out to get regular playing time.

Someone asked the question about how many of us watched him play at youth team level. That question was asked with the poster knowing the answer. The strange thing about that question is that everyone is dismissive of his stats at Primavera level because the standard is supposedly shit or because he is a year older than the other players. Watching Casadei at youth team level is not a relevant consideration.

I think that question is misleading and designed to distract from the questions/discussion taking place in this thread. In my opinion, the more important question we should be asking is "Why has he not been given any pre-season minutes?" Another question I keep asking myself is why are Chelsea interested in him? I do not think they are certain that he will be the next Frank Lampard. However, they possibly see something that makes them want to purchase Casadei and take a chance that he may in the future develop into a first team player. And I get the feeling that many posters on here are asking for something similar of Inter.

What it really comes down to is whether he is ready as a player and whether Inter as a club is ready to give him a chance as a 5th or 6th option. If the answer to either question is no, then he needs to be loaned out so the club can get some idea of the player they have at their disposal. Refusing to give him any pre-season minutes is wrong and agreeing to sell him outright with no safety net in place (buy-back clause) would be a mistake.
 
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