Denzel Dumfries

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Denzel started more games than Pavard. To me that is the definition of being a core player. I don't like it when we break down starting line up into core and non-core players.
 

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Denzel started more games than Pavard. To me that is the definition of being a core player. I don't like it when we break down starting line up into core and non-core players.
Not true, Denzel started in 19 serie A games and subbed in 12 games, whereas Pavard started in 21 games and subbed in 2 games.

But even then I don't see how that's relevant? Obviously Denzel isn't really a core player like the rest of the line up
 

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You know well that subbing wingbacks is normal for Inzaghi at 70th minute. So Pavard had 2 more games than Denzel. Look at Denzel stats. Core player!


In fact, Dumfries scored 5 goals vs Dimarco 4 and Dimarco had one more assist than Denzel. But somehow, Dimarco is a core player, and Denzel not)
 

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You know well that subbing wingbacks is normal for Inzaghi at 70th minute. So Pavard had 2 more games than Denzel. Look at Denzel stats. Core player!


In fact, Dumfries scored 5 goals vs Dimarco 4 and Dimarco had one more assist than Denzel. But somehow, Dimarco is a core player, and Denzel not)
Yea, core player is simply about goals and assist, nothing to do with play. Confirmed that Bisseck is better than Pavard because he had 2 goals! By your arguement Frattesi is more of a core player than Mikhy because he had more goals.
 
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Comparing 2 wingbacks. Guess what, Denzel has an edge:)
 

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Yea, core player is simply about goals and assist, nothing to do with play. Confirmed that Bisseck is better than Pavard because he had 2 goals! By your arguement Frattesi is more of a core player than Mikhy because he had more goals.
Don't be shy. Put entire midfield there, take all those penalty goals away and look at Barella goals.
 

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It's great to keep the goal scorers and assits tab.

And Frattesi is a core player as a super sub.
 

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why would bologna sell him to us?
 

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Comparing 2 wingbacks. Guess what, Denzel has an edge:)
He ain’t a vital player, The vital are Bastoni, Barella, Hakan, Miki, Thuram and Martinez everyone else are easily replaceable.

Even pavard ain’t making the list because guess what Bisseck easily be a starter and we aren’t really loosing much as he constantly improves. Acerbi is also covered in Di Vrij and it’s not exactly an issue finding good central CB needed be.

Dumfries is completely mediocre player, we easily live without him his neither corr or particularly vital for our team and is utterly inconsistent. Dimarco at least is far more consistent and he offer overall more and always run and fight even when things aren’t going his way but none of those I define nearly near the others. But Dimarco is certainly more a core player than Dumfries is but neither are unsellable
 

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He ain’t a vital player, The vital are Bastoni, Barella, Hakan, Miki, Thuram and Martinez everyone else are easily replaceable.

Even pavard ain’t making the list because guess what Bisseck easily be a starter and we aren’t really loosing much as he constantly improves. Acerbi is also covered in Di Vrij and it’s not exactly an issue finding good central CB needed be.

Dumfries is completely mediocre player, we easily live without him his neither corr or particularly vital for our team and is utterly inconsistent. Dimarco at least is far more consistent and he offer overall more and always run and fight even when things aren’t going his way but none of those I define nearly near the others. But Dimarco is certainly more a core player than Dumfries is but neither are unsellable
The fact is, with our current financial situation, it is hard to replace him.
 

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Wtf is hard to replace about dumfries? The fact he doesn't excel in any department except maybe physicality? We can buy ndoye who is miles better in attack, and it would be an instant upgrade for the way we play.
 

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The fact is, with our current financial situation, it is hard to replace him.
It’s our ownership that is the problem and lack of revenue not the financial situation as such, our financial state is okay unfortunately with the current market prices it means it’s impossible for us to get the better players
 

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Wtf is hard to replace about dumfries? The fact he doesn't excel in any department except maybe physicality? We can buy ndoye who is miles better in attack, and it would be an instant upgrade for the way we play.
He is?
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Sure could've fooled me.

There are several things at play here;
1) Ndoye is a literal, unproven nobody with measly stats playing as an attacking midfielder for the entertaining and offensive Bologna that surprised everyone. There is no way we should entertain him as a thought or a replacement for anyone - Bologna wanting 25 million for someone with so little actual output is insane, and the fact that you praise him so much makes me think you haven't actually seen him play maye except for that one time he lobbed Audero. The fact that you want an offensive winger to play wing-back is perhaps more insane.
2) Dumfries, however much you dislike him and however much you think he's inconsistent, is a proven quality and a guarenteed starter for the Netherlands everytime he plays. He's attracted attention from Manchester United for years, and now Aston Villa, a side that's about to play Champions League, seem interested as well. He is one of the better wingbacks in the game, and top sides know this.
As for his playing style, his physicality is immense for a wing-back, especially in Serie A, and that counts for a lot. You haven't seen anyone in Italy trounce Theo Hernandez, for example, as much as Dumfries - Ndoye or Buchanan would get absolutely burned playing against him in comparison. It's a huge weapon for us, and his runs on the far post and his headers are valuable tools for Inzaghi's way of playing.

Now I'm not saying we can't or shouldn't sell Dumfries - he is expandable for the right price for me as well - but the fact that Marotta and company are willing to extend tells me, that they know that there isn't anyone out there that they can just slot in in his place and we'll be dandy. The disrespect he gets here is immense.
 

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He is?
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Sure could've fooled me.

There are several things at play here;
1) Ndoye is a literal, unproven nobody with measly stats playing as an attacking midfielder for the entertaining and offensive Bologna that surprised everyone. There is no way we should entertain him as a thought or a replacement for anyone - Bologna wanting 25 million for someone with so little actual output is insane, and the fact that you praise him so much makes me think you haven't actually seen him play maye except for that one time he lobbed Audero. The fact that you want an offensive winger to play wing-back is perhaps more insane.
2) Dumfries, however much you dislike him and however much you think he's inconsistent, is a proven quality and a guarenteed starter for the Netherlands everytime he plays. He's attracted attention from Manchester United for years, and now Aston Villa, a side that's about to play Champions League, seem interested as well. He is one of the better wingbacks in the game, and top sides know this.
As for his playing style, his physicality is immense for a wing-back, especially in Serie A, and that counts for a lot. You haven't seen anyone in Italy trounce Theo Hernandez, for example, as much as Dumfries - Ndoye or Buchanan would get absolutely burned playing against him in comparison. It's a huge weapon for us, and his runs on the far post and his headers are valuable.

Now I'm not saying we can't or shouldn't sell Dumfries - he is expandable for the right price for me as well - but the fact that Marotta and company are willing to extend tells me, that they know that there isn't anyone out there that they can just slot in in his place and we'll be dandy. The disrespect he gets here is immense.
I don't watch football like a fuckin autist and concentrate simply on numbers... I watched the way we move as a team with him in the starting eleven, and then I watch how we looked with broken and old cuadrado who is still incredibly talented going forward, and that tells me everything I need to know. For every assist he makes, he costs us in other ways with his limited attacking abilities.

Also, almost everything dumfries does darmian can do as well. The fact we don't even notice the difference whether him or darmian plays in that rwb position tells you we need an attacking upgrade there. And i m not talking assists, i m talking unpredictability.
 
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I don't watch football like a fuckin autist and concentrate simply on numbers... I watched the way we move as a team with him in the starting eleven, and then I watch how we looked with broken and old cuadrado who is still incredibly talented going forward, and that tells me everything I need to know.
So it's safe to say you didn't watch Cuadrado or us play at all. No one with working vision would state that Cuadrado was any sort of asset to us, except for pissing off the Juventus-fans in Turin.
It's probably just as safe to assume you didn't watch Ndoye at all, since you began speaking about Cuadrado instead of the supposed strengths of Ndoye.

Also, almost everything dumfries does darmian can do as well. The fact we don't even notice the difference whether him or darmian plays in that rwb position tells you we need an attacking upgrade there. And i m not talking assists, i m talking unpredictability.
This is just objectively false. Darmian is solid defensively, but we've looked absolutely tepid on the right side offensively with him on the pitch. The match day-threads and (oh, sorry, autism alert) 1 goal and 2 assists compared to Denzel's 4 and 4 will attest to that.
 
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So it's safe to say you didn't watch Cuadrado or us play at all. Gotcha'.
It's probably just as safe to assume you didn't watch Ndoye at all, since you began speaking about Cuadrado instead of the supposed strenghts of Ndoye.
Let me help you with this, ndoye and cuadrado are miles better in attack than dumfries. That's the commonality. Hope that ultra hard concept is easy for you to understand.
This is an absolute lie. Darmian is solid defensively, but we've looked absolutely tepid on the right side offensively with him on the pitch. The match day-threads will attest to that.
Hey, you got the one thing right, we did look tepid with darmian, but we also looked tepid with dumfries as well. That's why we need an upgrade there.
 

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Wtf is hard to replace about dumfries? The fact he doesn't excel in any department except maybe physicality? We can buy ndoye who is miles better in attack, and it would be an instant upgrade for the way we play.
Look at scorers and assist table.
 
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