Denzel Dumfries

[CafeCordoba]

United just signed Mazraoui, Aston Villa is targeting Geertruid. There goes his destinations.

 

[Lui]

Hard to hate dumfries because he works so hard, sticks up for his teammates and all that jazz, but our right side is pretty shit.

 

[thatdude]

Is this guy going to renew or what? It’s getting uncomfortably close to the end of the window.

I don’t know what’s worse. Losing him on a free next summer, having him rake us over the coals once the window ends for a bigger salary than Dimarco, or actually locking into a contract and having him as our starting wingback long term.

 

[brakbrak]

I think it's painfully obvious that no other team rates this guy. At least not 4m net salary. I've been saying for years that we'd be lucky to get 15m for this guy. I'd say just offer him 3-3.5m including bonus if he doesn't want then just let him walk. No way should he make the same or more than Dimarco.

 

[Dave54]

Is this guy going to renew or what? It’s getting uncomfortably close to the end of the window.

I don’t know what’s worse. Losing him on a free next summer, having him rake us over the coals once the window ends for a bigger salary than Dimarco, or actually locking into a contract and having him as our starting wingback long term.

I think he will run his contract down.

 

[OkiOki]

I think he will run his contract down.

Probably. I was always wandered why there is no more palyers doing like that. Last few years players started to do that. Get all the money for yourself instead of your new club is paying for transfer to the old one.

But it's still better to lose him for free, then give him big salary and stuck with him for years.

 

[PHM1605]

Dumfries will leave for free. Nobody will pay what he expects either but he will get which suppose to be his transfer fee.

Far from irreplaceable player. But I just hate that he says fake promise and leave the club unprepared for his own sake. At least make it fair and square like Chiesa so that we have time to find a replacement. As normal employees, player who are leaving cannot focus 100% on the old job and drops his form. Remember Skiniar? He sat out most of the last season due to "injuries" but even when recovered he was never back good enough.

 

[Gal]

Is this guy going to renew or what? It’s getting uncomfortably close to the end of the window.

I don’t know what’s worse. Losing him on a free next summer, having him rake us over the coals once the window ends for a bigger salary than Dimarco, or actually locking into a contract and having him as our starting wingback long term.

Let him run it down then we will be rid of him, we were never going to get a dime for him with that contract of his. Really his loss because he ain’t getting such a favourable team and playing time elsewhere.

It’s not like we paid a fortune for him and 4 years it’s more than well financed

 

[wera]

I'm hoping we try out somebody else in the RWB spot. Maybe we have another Fontarossa somewhere.

If not, we'll bring somebody next summer since Darmian will be too old to be a starter and Buchanan is an unknown right now for our RWB.

 

[crzdcolombian]

look it works both ways. He has been wanting the EPL for 3 season + before signing with us. No one has ever made an offer.

He wants way more than he is worth. If he lets his contract expire than offer him less than he is currently making when it does. His only options will be midtable or worst EPL teams for the wages he is commanding and the fact he can't score or goes completely brain dead when he gets into a scoring position

 

[Kramerica Industries]

Probably. I was always wandered why there is no more palyers doing like that. Last few years players started to do that. Get all the money for yourself instead of your new club is paying for transfer to the old one.

But it's still better to lose him for free, then give him big salary and stuck with him for years.

The risk is that, if you get injured during that contract year, you might tank your value. You're betting on yourself basically. You secure a transfer, you probably won't get 100+% of your desired wages but you're getting cost certainty. If something goes wrong in that last year before hitting the market, you're losing a lot of money.

 

[CafeCordoba]

I don't believe Dumfries wants to run out his contract. At least Skriniar had a place in mind, a contract ready for him. United is gone as a destination for Dumfries. Villa? They not gonna pay more than us.

Di Marzio has reported there's been negotiations (recently) and Dumfries expressed during euros (or after?) he wants to stay. There isn't a lot of similarities to Skriniar apart from the contract situation itself (ending next summer)

 

[BasedGodPunk]

We need to renew him ASAP. Want no part of Oaktree being responsible for replacing him.

 

[IM21]

if i saw Darmian starting over me I'd also not wanna renew.

 

[#NotForMe]

Dumfries and Skiniar kinda shows why I don't like the buy youngster and sell them for profit in the future approach, on paper it sounds so good, but in reality this is the trend.
Even Mabappe pocketed the €150m signing fee; like what does Oaktree think the youngster are? back in the 90s being clueless, do what you say? Ajax, Arsenal model?

Even the Barca model cannot work like that, hence they needed to overpay the players to retain them, then you might have a chance of selling a few of them with high price, but not exactly high profit, cause the increase of expense.

The most practical and healthy approach should be acknowledging the salary and transfer/signing (acquiring) fees is the expense of operating; and within the service period time, hopefully with other elements can bring us profit through competition performances, recognition increases; and the profit from transfers are just windfalls.
In another perspective the transfer fees are kinda asking charity from the player, as it is very tied to the potential income they can gain from the next employer for their future services elsewhere. It should be looked as a compensation of breaking a contract, but not trying to gamble by signing a lots of contracts and paying up front and hope some of them will be breached in order to make a profit.

 

[pier]

Yep, having the player to negotiate in their last year contract is quite challenging and its too late in my opinion, the Bosman rules gave so much leverage to the player side and the agents likes it obviously.
They will ask for more or threatening to leaving on free. Even if they stay until the end of contracts, mostly their focus already elsewhere. It is pointless for the club to bench them as punishment.

Nowadays, players in their last 2 year of contracts should be the priority to get the renewal, especially if they are key players or are in prime.
We did well with the renewal of Bare, Basto, Dimas and recently Lauti.

Perhaps in Denzel case, he might gave positive signal for renewal but keep delaying it to know if there is better offer elsewhere and we, perhaps waiting and hope of him getting a good Euro, but in the end there is no one knocking for a bid.

 

[Dave54]

Yes, but could be other way for Denzel. He has a great season, we win Scudetto and he is a free agent.

 

[crzdcolombian]

Yes, but could be other way for Denzel. He has a great season, we win Scudetto and he is a free agent.

You guys are worrying wya way too
Much for an average ass player that gets benched a lot for a 35 year old

 

[Dave54]

He was never benched.

 

[PHM1605]

Dumfries and Skiniar kinda shows why I don't like the buy youngster and sell them for profit in the future approach, on paper it sounds so good, but in reality this is the trend.
Even Mabappe pocketed the €150m signing fee; like what does Oaktree think the youngster are? back in the 90s being clueless, do what you say? Ajax, Arsenal model?

Even the Barca model cannot work like that, hence they needed to overpay the players to retain them, then you might have a chance of selling a few of them with high price, but not exactly high profit, cause the increase of expense.

The most practical and healthy approach should be acknowledging the salary and transfer/signing (acquiring) fees is the expense of operating; and within the service period time, hopefully with other elements can bring us profit through competition performances, recognition increases; and the profit from transfers are just windfalls.
In another perspective the transfer fees are kinda asking charity from the player, as it is very tied to the potential income they can gain from the next employer for their future services elsewhere. It should be looked as a compensation of breaking a contract, but not trying to gamble by signing a lots of contracts and paying up front and hope some of them will be breached in order to make a profit.

Youth project no longer works if we do it half-way i.e. developing a kid but refusing to sell him at top value. When he still has plenty of contract, hence doesn't have the leverage.

"Inter isn't a selling club" is an outdated sentence but you still hear it quite common here on fif. We are basically asking for a youth to contribute long term; in the era of money talks. Not everyone is Lautaro Barella Dimarco or Bastoni, even in their case salary cost gonna skyrocket and soon be out of reach.