Empoli - Inter (17 Jan 15) [0-0]

[Kakaroto]

Kept a clean shit though. It's been ages.

 

[JJM]

Kept a clean shit though. It's been ages.

Can't remember the last 0-0 from Inter tbh

 

[Iron_Inter]

Empoli put us under pressure, and midfield of Guarin and Medel is disastrous under pressure. Also fuck Campaniaro as RB, Hernanes slow ass like wing, and Palacio as AMC. Fuck that. When Shaq and Kova went in we were a bit better but not enough. This time the tactic was wrong and too much changes and players doesnt seem how to play.

It should have been 4-3-1-2 with Poldi as SS and Icardi CF. Shaq as AMC, and Kova, Medel and Hernanes. As RB should have been D'Ambrosio and as LB Dodo.

Cudos also for Empoli the last 5 game when they have only one lost against Fiorentina in every other game they dominated the game. Too bad they dont have much better finishers.

In our side Vidic and Handa were best players others were shit. Except for Kova and Shaq.

 

[emcct]

Our main problem is as always the coach. He failed to put up a good formation. It's sad to see us use 1 attacker and have 1 shot on goal in 45min..

The worst part has to be that people like us, who don't have a coaching licence did not go to coaching school can see it so easily, and someone like Mancini can't. (And please don't tell me that he can, because if he could he would have changed it straight away).

Coaches are for some reason idiots and completley blind to reality. They have their visions and stick to them regardless of the world telling / showing them it's not working.

This game would have been different had he had 2 attackers instead of 1. Perhaps keeping Icardi with Podolski. Also why the fuck are we still playing with Hernanes? He is CRAP, and with Shaq and Kovacic on bench lol...

Anyway there are many other things he could have done better, but fuck it. no-body is litsening.

 

[Choppin Onions]

These are games we need to win if we want CL football next season. Disappointing result. Something we should be used to since the treble though. And why the fuck is Hernanes playing as a winger? That's Mazzarri-esque in terms of idiocy.

 

[iThrowRocksAtBlindKids]

Can't remember the last 0-0 from Inter tbh

EL at St. Eienne....the match Dodo kept trying to wow us with his crossing ability. okerface:

 

[Nyall]

Our main problem is as always the coach. He failed to put up a good formation. It's sad to see us use 1 attacker and have 1 shot on goal in 45min..

The worst part has to be that people like us, who don't have a coaching licence did not go to coaching school can see it so easily, and someone like Mancini can't. (And please don't tell me that he can, because if he could he would have changed it straight away).

Coaches are for some reason idiots and completley blind to reality. They have their visions and stick to them regardless of the world telling / showing them it's not working.

This game would have been different had he had 2 attackers instead of 1. Perhaps keeping Icardi with Podolski. Also why the fuck are we still playing with Hernanes? He is CRAP, and with Shaq and Kovacic on bench lol...

Anyway there are many other things he could have done better, but fuck it. no-body is litsening.

Do you mind explaining how we field a formation with two attackers [Podolski next to Icardi] and still have Shaqiri and Kovacic? Not just that, how we somehow do all of this and actually win games? Sure we'd have have a good attack but how exactly would we be able to, you know, not concede, with basically so many players on the pitch who offer next to nothing in terms of defensive work rate? I'm not saying what Mancini did was any right, but at least it made sense, and has brought a result..

 

[Iron_Inter]

Do you mind explaining how we field a formation with two attackers [Podolski next to Icardi] and still have Shaqiri and Kovacic? Not just that, how we somehow do all of this and actually win games? Sure we'd have have a good attack but how exactly would we be able to, you know, not concede, with basically so many players on the pitch who offer next to nothing in terms of defensive work rate? I'm not saying what Mancini did was any right, but at least it made sense, and has brought a result..

Simple,

Podolski ---- Ikardi

------Shaqiri


---Kova---Medel--Hernanes

Dodo--Vidic--Andreoli--D'Abrosio

/since JJ is suspended and if Rano injured

I dont want to see Campanaro and Guarin as Captain.

 

[Ronin]

Why didn't he go with his foot in this situation?

 

[iThrowRocksAtBlindKids]

Why didn't he go with his foot in this situation?

I thought it was going in too...would of been the momentum changer the rest of the match.

 

[Pimpin]

Why didn't he go with his foot in this situation?

because his ankle would've fallen off

 

[Nyall]

Simple,

Podolski ---- Ikardi

------Shaqiri


---Kova---Medel--Hernanes

Dodo--Vidic--Andreoli--D'Abrosio

/since JJ is suspended and if Rano injured

I dont want to see Campanaro and Guarin as Captain.

Why do you think that this would work?

Shaqiri isn't a number 10, he is a number 7. If Juve who have quality midfielders and forwards didn't buy him because isn't a player they needed to play behind their strikers, you actually think we should? Hernanes doesn't have the work rate to be a CM. Dodo's inability to defend means the LCM has to spend time helping him defend, do you actually see Kovacic being like Zanetti was to Maicon? It would be a waste of Kovacic, all to accommodate a player who isn't even that good in attack.

Just because a formation works in Football Manager doesn't mean we should try it. Are you forgetting how many times we drew blanks with a 4-3-1-2 only for Ibrahimovic to pull magic out of his ass to get us points, and that was with a significantly better team with a much better midfielders... Our team is not nearly creative enough to play that narrowly if we want to score goals and we'd be basically forever vulnerable defensively.

 

[Kakaroto]

The coach doesn't need to be Mozart to play his players. Kovacic and Shaqiri are his best players.

I can understand Shaqiri not starting. Do not see any reason why Kovacic should not start.

 

[Bluenine]

Our main problem is as always the coach. He failed to put up a good formation.

The coach is the least of our problems. And formation is not everything in football. Maybe our problem is that the players are new to this formation, and will take time to gel. Maybe we could have started with Shaqiri and Kovacic today as some geniuses here are suggesting, and ended up with the same result.

IMO today our players played poorly, the intensity from the last two games was missing. Partly I give credit where its due, Empoli played a game of their lives. For the other part, some of our players (specially Podolski, Icardi & Guarin) were missing that intensity they showed in the previous games. Some others looked very uncomfortable and basically poor in an unfamiliar position (Hernanes, Campagnaro) - I guess Mancio will soon stop this experimentation (that is not working), or buy players who suit those positions better.

This rebuilding will take time. And a lot of patience.

On a positive note, impressed with Vidic for a 2nd game in a row. This is good news. If he can play like this for the rest of the season, one big issue in our team is sorted.

 

[bandiera]

armchair managers galore... you guys can talk about "tactics" "settling in" or "physical intensity", and those are all valid points.

But I feel the biggest problem in all of this is that we sat back against fucken empoli. it's a mentality issue.

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Why didn't he go with his foot in this situation?

if you've ever played football, you would know it may be harder to pull off, but it's easier to control the ball that way. kicking a curved cross like that depends a lot on the angle of the foot on the ball. on the other hand, heading it in depends on a much less precise angle because the head hits the ball with more surface area.

 

[Fapuccino]

armchair managers galore... you guys can talk about "tactics" "settling in" or "physical intensity", and those are all valid points.

But I feel the biggest problem in all of this is that we sat back against fucken empoli. it's a mentality issue.

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if you've ever played football, you would know it may be harder to pull off, but it's easier to control the ball that way. kicking a curved cross like that depends a lot on the angle of the foot on the ball and the angle of the ball on the foot. on the other hand, heading it in depends on a much less precise angle because the head has more surface area and is flatter.

we didnt sit back, we were overran in the middle, since they congested the park with 4-3-1-2, and we couldn't get the ball past the half way line. they simply outnumbered us.

 

[bandiera]

we didnt sit back, we were overran in the middle, since they congested the park with 4-3-1-2, and we couldn't get the ball past the half way line. they simply outnumbered us.

sure, sure... same old, same old. "tactics" "3-5-2" "4-3-1-2" "it's the coach" etc...

our players frankly don't look like they give two shits. we're talking about empoli here. did they simply outnumber us or was guarin unable to get the ball out of the back? you think with the "right tactics" he wouldnt have made the same shit long shots or sloppy passes?

if there's one thing I'll hand mancini it's that he isnt bad on a tactical level. you guys think he wasnt able to figure out sarri, our players are completely blameless, and the mentality is amazing or rather the players are to blame because they showed little drive and intensity in play? its clearly the second option.

 

[chipschups]

#Dare2Mancini

 

[Fapuccino]

sure, sure... same old, same old. "tactics" "4-3-1-2" "mazzarri needs to play 4 man defense" "4-2-3-1" "5-3-6" etc.

our players frankly don't look like they give two shits. we're talking about empoli here. if we had won the match, the same tactical geniuses that are raving about would be saying "mancini battled 4-3-1-2 with width in his attacking wingers, great tactical choice".

did they simply outnumber us or was guarin unable to get the ball out of the back? you think with the "right tactics" he would not have made the same shit long shots or sloppy passes?

you're making it sound as if though the problem is some intangible abstraction in "tactics", when the reality is very simple. they won the midfield battle through outnumbering and pressing. guarin making sloppy passes is part of the problem. we just don't have the midfield personnel to control the tempo with just 2 players. we dont have kroos/modric or toure/fernandinho. we need to compensate by adding another player like kovacic or hernanes in the middle of the park. and not just shifting them in forward positions, where they have little influence in the middle of the park.

 

[bandiera]

so you're saying there was NO way we could've won the match vs empoli with our starting lineup? that it was impossible?