English Premier League 2021/2022

[Sawyer]

Genuine question, how does Chelsea have debt? Roman wiped all his loans, so the club is for sale debt free, no?..

 

[brehme1989]

I bet most of the Premier league clubs played against each other before half of the Serie A teams were even founded. No derbies in the Premier league? Many "big" games in Serie A? In what world have games like Napoli vs. Salernitana or Spezia vs. Sampdoria some relevance? For the fans of the club, yes. But beside them? Or the Derby della Mole ... In the last 25 years Torino was able to win one from 34 games. As a neutral spectator or fan who "appreciate and like football as a sport": Why should I care about this when I don't have time to watch 4, 5 games each weekend? I'd prefer to turn in Man City vs. Spurs (or watch the local team from my village).

A derby is a very specific term. It does not mean "big game".

A fan of the sport understands that this is not a business but a community affair and derbies bring together two sets of communities against one another that supersedes the sporting realm. Hence why "football is not just a sport".

But sure, if you feel like Newcastle vs Portsmouth can be a "big game" because they may both at some point have rich owners and compete for a 6th spot is a more important affair than Salernitana vs Napoli which is a rare Campania derby that people finger-cross their entire lifetime to witness in Serie A just once, be my guest.

 

[brehme1989]

Genuine question, how does Chelsea have debt? Roman wiped all his loans, so the club is for sale debt free, no?..

Still WIP as far as I know. Their entire debt was to Abramovich iirc, so in order to wipe them clear something needs to be done. Like transform the debt into equity (shares) of the club. Which is a process, it's not something that's done with a tweet.

 

[Sawyer]

I thought Twitter had all the power damn. If it's his loans and he wipes them out I just assume there are no debts but I am not a financial man, I hear a lot of different stories surrounding this sale and the state of the club, it doesn't look so doom and gloom in some places others it is even in some it's going to be good long term.

Guess we will just see going forward

 

[brehme1989]

I thought Twitter had all the power damn. If it's his loans and he wipes them out I just assume there are no debts but I am not a financial man, I hear a lot of different stories surrounding this sale and the state of the club, it doesn't look so doom and gloom in some places others it is even in some it's going to be good long term.

Guess we will just see going forward

It's not really relevant because debt is part of the club.

Assets = liabilities + capital

Capital = equity share of the owners
Liability = debt

If the debt is toward the owners entirely, nothing changes practically. If the owners wants to sell, the debt will be included in the deal and "wiped" in the process. It's part of the valuation already.

 

[wyze]

Lol at west ham. Not just our strikers wasted clear cut chances

 

[Sawyer]

Don't wanna sit here and say I said Newcastle would escape relegation easy several times but...

Ears are open to aggressors..

 

[brehme1989]

If we had 3 fast players up front I'd believe we'd beat this Liverpool side by 4 goals. But we don't

 

[Stefan]

Don't wanna sit here and say I said Newcastle would escape relegation easy several times but...

Ears are open to aggressors..

Would hardly call 7 points clear easily safe when you have chelsea, spurs, liverpool, arsenal and man city to play.

 

[Sawyer]

Would hardly call 7 points clear easily safe when you have chelsea, spurs, liverpool, arsenal and man city to play.

Are you the nay sayer? haha.

Its not easy of course when you play those teams (well take off Spurs) however how many points do you see Norwich, Watford, Everton, Burnley & Leeds achieving in that time, I don't see anymore than what Newcastle will achieve.

 

[Bergpavian]

A derby is a very specific term. It does not mean "big game".

A fan of the sport understands that this is not a business but a community affair and derbies bring together two sets of communities against one another that supersedes the sporting realm. Hence why "football is not just a sport".

But sure, if you feel like Newcastle vs Portsmouth can be a "big game" because they may both at some point have rich owners and compete for a 6th spot is a more important affair than Salernitana vs Napoli which is a rare Campania derby that people finger-cross their entire lifetime to witness in Serie A just once, be my guest.

You don't have to explain me what a derby is. And as I said: I understand the relevance of a derby for the fans of the clubs.

But why should someone else care about games like the "campania derby"? Napoli and Salernitana don't even have a big history. They played 20 times against each other, most of the times form 2000 to 2004 in Serie B. Right now it would be the 2nd of the table playing against the last. What's the relevance of this game for someone not from the Campania? Some hooligans fighting for beging kings there?

The derby in Turin is another story, but when one team just won once in the last 34 games/26 years the sportive relevance for a neutral spectator is also doubtful.

It's kinda strange for a "fan of football" to measure the worth of a game only because of its historic relevance or just because some teams are from the same area by accident.

 

[Stefan]

Are you the nay sayer? haha.

Its not easy of course when you play those teams (well take off Spurs) however how many points do you see Norwich, Watford, Everton, Burnley & Leeds achieving in that time, I don't see anymore than what Newcastle will achieve.

Watford and norwich are gone imho.
Burnley has a relative easy run in. Only man city and spurs + possible west ham as would we would usually describe as impossible games.
Everton has the second most difficult run compared to newcastle as they have man utd, lfc, chelsea + westham.
Leeds have arsenal,chelsea and man city. The others are all possible to win, not easy but possible.
Brentford has chelsea,spurs + westham. The rest are possible games.

Newcastle besides the before mentioned impossible face a lot of top 10 teams. Of their 12 games left only 3 are against the current bottom 10.

Newcastle has been on a good run but its been mostly against the bottom 10.

I am not saying nufc are definitely going down or anything like that but I would be surprised if they don't get drawn into the fight.

 

[Sawyer]

Yea I respect that brother, for sure. They can easily escape as they can just as easily be in a relegation dog fight.

I don't know if it's because I lived there for 10 years and follow them closely, I just knew/had a feeling they would "easily" avoid relegation.

Guess with Chelsea losing Abrahimovic its Newcastle's time.

 

[brehme1989]

It's kinda strange for a "fan of football" to measure the worth of a game only because of its historic relevance or just because some teams are from the same area by accident.

The only reason you feel this is because football nowadays is a corporate machine that assigns mercenaries rather than a sport where there's a clash of identities.

"My mercenaries are better than yours" isn't really that important. We're one step closer to becoming the NBA where all you care about is the mercenaries themselves rather than the teams and the fans.

 

[wera]

De Bruyne is killing United.

 

[Bergpavian]

The only reason you feel this is because football nowadays is a corporate machine that assigns mercenaries rather than a sport where there's a clash of identities.

"My mercenaries are better than yours" isn't really that important. We're one step closer to becoming the NBA where all you care about is the mercenaries themselves rather than the teams and the fans.

I do? Interesting.

But I don't know what all this has to do with mercenaries. You said in the EPL "the number of derbies per month, let alone per matchday, is freaking limited."

What identities are you talking about when you mention a "Ligurian derby" like Samp vs. Sepzia? They played against each other not even 10 times and the first time in the year 2018. Newcastle and Portsmouth - a game you also mentioned - played more often against each other in the first English division before Sampdoria was even founded.

But when we just mention random teams from the same city: In the EPL are six teams from London, two teams from Liverpool and two teams from Manchester.

Same area like a "Ligurian derby" Samp. vs. Spezia ... Burnley vs. Everton is older than every Serie A team. Is it the Lancashire derby? Birmingham vs. Wolverhampton ... Older than every Serie A team. The West Midlands derby? Brighton vs. Southampton ... Older than every derby you mentioned. The Channel derby?

 

[Sawyer]

I do? Interesting.

But I don't know what all this has to do with mercenaries. You said in the EPL "the number of derbies per month, let alone per matchday, is freaking limited."

What identities are you talking about when you mention a "Ligurian derby" like Samp vs. Sepzia? They played against each other not even 10 times and the first time in the year 2018. Newcastle and Portsmouth - a game you also mentioned - played more often against each other in the first English division before Sampdoria was even founded.

But when we just mention random teams from the same city: In the EPL are six teams from London, two teams from Liverpool and two teams from Manchester.

Same area like a "Ligurian derby" Samp. vs. Spezia ... Burnley vs. Everton is older than every Serie A team. Is it the Lancashire derby? Birmingham vs. Wolverhampton ... Older than every Serie A team. The West Midlands derby? Brighton vs. Southampton ... Older than every derby you mentioned. The Channel derby?

Are you just taking Mick? You know none of those English games aren't derbies yea? Wolves Brum could be but it's more Wolves Villa and Brum v Cov.. Southampton Portsmouth.. Brighton? Burnley Everton?? Sorry your post confuses me but I've probably not got context or understood

 

[Bergpavian]

Are you just taking Mick? You know none of those English games aren't derbies yea? Wolves Brum could be but it's more Wolves Villa and Brum v Cov.. Southampton Portsmouth.. Brighton? Burnley Everton?? Sorry your post confuses me but I've probably not got context or understood

According to Brehme in the EPL "the number of derbies per month, let alone per matchday, is freaking limited." And to proof that the Seria A has many derbies he came up with games like Samp vs. Spezia (a "Ligurian derby" that happend the first time in the year 2018) or Napoli vs. Salernitana (a Campania derby/"huge historic affair" that happend maybe 20 times and the most times between 2000 and 2004 in Serie B). I'm sorry, but when this games are called derbies, Burnley vs. Everton is the Lancashire derby and Brighton vs. Southampton the Channal derby.

When there are six teams from London, two from Manchester, two from Liverpool - how's it possible that the number of derbies is limited? Then you also have games like Liverpool vs. Manchester United, Chelsea vs. Leeds, Manchester United vs. Leeds ...

 

[Sawyer]

Oh I get you now, fair enough on your post though. I can't comment though I think differently when it comes to derbies.. Newcastle Sunderland, Liverpool Everton, Man C v U, Spurs Arsenal Chelsea. Wolves Villa. Any other games are irrelevant as derbies. Same go with Italy to me, Milan, Juve Torino, Rome etc.. doesn't mean there are more or less just my view as a fan.

Ima step because in Brehme I trust my friend he knows his stuff.

 

[brehme1989]

Can we all finally agree that Anfield atmosphere is shit and that "You'll never walk alone" is a crappy song that does not belong in football?