European Super League Discussion

[William]

It literally said money distribution for the next x years. Don't recall if it's 10 or 25. Years... As if this nonsense would last more than 5 years.

Sorry to sound harsh, but anyone defending this ESL shit has no business supporting a football club because you don't seem to grasp the basic aspects of it.

This is where I got the 25 from but I was slightly off. 23 seasons of being a bitch to teams like Real, Barca and Jube + all of the English teams

 

[William]

1 - You do realise we ARE the underdogs already, right? If we won the CL, it'd basically be very similar to Leicester winning the EPL in 15/16.

Yes, but going from multiple competitions to just one is depressing. I wouldn’t want to be underdogs in the only league we are playing in.

2 - We might have more CL wins than Juve historically, but based on the last decade? No offense, but right now, we're probably behind clubs like Ajax. Have you SEEN the UEFA coefficients recently? We're not even in the top 20 clubs in Europe - we're 28th in fact, mostly because of the EL final run from last season - https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/#/yr/2021

Juve have made 2 finals in the last decade, we havent even been out of the group stage since 11/12?

True I’ll give you that, but if it’s just based on coefficient then there would be many other teams who weren’t called up. So it’s clearly about brand power and money.

Without Juve and Milan, even with us still there, revenue probably drops 30-40% in the league anyway. People pay to watch the biggest games. Same with matchday revenue, our attendence would plummet - our biggest 4 matches of the season pull in something like a quarter/a fifth of our matchday revenue.


If you're happy being at the kids table in life, then so be it, I'd rather be at the adults table. At least there we get good money, we can invest it into the team, and work our way up. In the kids table we'd never be able to.

That’s unnecessary belittlement. Not accepting a bad deal isn’t you choosing to be at the kids table. It’s you choosing to remain where you are. We would end up being kids at the ‘big boy’ table if you look at the money breakdown I posted above. And at this table you’d be a kid mocked by crooks and criminals. Who the fuck would want that. I’d rather have my pride then sell out to be the jester for nearly a quarter of a centuary.

Realistically, all the best players will move quickly to the ESL (sponsorship and wages will be much higher), and we'd be having our best players taken by shit clubs like Arsenal and Tottenham who dont even make the CL now. Like Lautaro - he'd be off in a heartbeat.


Don't be so naive The share of money wasnt permanent, just the starting point. And, to be honest, right now its BASICALLY the difference we have between those clubs (if not less than) - Real, Man Utd, etc, make 2-3x our revenue easily. Why do you think we're entitledd to an equal share?

The share was for 23 years. That’s a very long time!!! If we’re signing up to a league where no one is relegated and it’s about giants/ similar to nfl model then all teams should get an equal split so you have this commercial/ consumer abomination.

 

[CafeCordoba]

I agree, the ESL is bullshit and I was never a fan of it, or being in it. Horrendous idea.

but if it was going to go ahead, its important for us to have been in it. And even if we were entering as a bottom tier club, it'd still be the right decision to make sure we were there.

No it wouldn't be important to be in it. I'd rather play with Bayern and PSG in Uefa CL than be in Super league.

The payout structure is appalling. If all don't get equal share, fuck that.

 

[.h.]

No it wouldn't be important to be in it. I'd rather play with Bayern and PSG in Uefa CL than be in Super league.

The payout structure is appalling. If all don't get equal share, fuck that.

You realise we don't get an equal share now right? Even if we win the CL other clubs will still make more than us

And yes participating is key. It's like a monopoly- if you arejt in the monopoly you're the one getting fucked. Don't be the one getting fucked in life, ever.

 

[.h.]

Yes, but going from multiple competitions to just one is depressing. I wouldn’t want to be underdogs in the only league we are playing in.

True I’ll give you that, but if it’s just based on coefficient then there would be many other teams who weren’t called up. So it’s clearly about brand power and money.

That’s unnecessary belittlement. Not accepting a bad deal isn’t you choosing to be at the kids table. It’s you choosing to remain where you are. We would end up being kids at the ‘big boy’ table if you look at the money breakdown I posted above. And at this table you’d be a kid mocked by crooks and criminals. Who the fuck would want that. I’d rather have my pride then sell out to be the jester for nearly a quarter of a centuary.


The share was for 23 years. That’s a very long time!!! If we’re signing up to a league where no one is relegated and it’s about giants/ similar to nfl model then all teams should get an equal split so you have this commercial/ consumer abomination.

I mean this is basically how it is now anyway. We'd probably need 10 years.of barca level results to get up to their level of CL revenue and we are ignoring the fact that they get higher broadcast etc thats the way the world works. It isn't changing anytime soon.

If you wanna support a provincial side Monza are probably looking for fans, but the vast majority of us wouldn't even be here if 30 years ago the ESL was formed and Inter opted not to be in it.

 

[William]

I can also see a vast majority of us walking away from the club if they do join the ESL. I’m 100% ready to retire if it ever goes through.

Having revenue disparities among UCL clubs is one thing but at least for now we have the pride of competing in Italy! Imagine the founders hearing that the club they founded no longer is allowed to play in the Italian league… and that they owners sold out to make sure they can get a small piece of a big pie that allows them to be bottom feeders at the big boy table. I’m sure they’d come back to haunt the owners!!

I think the difference is clear though, if it ever goes through it sounds like you’ll continue on and support the commercial bastardised version of Inter which is fine, where as I’ll retire as the Inter I joined would no longer be there.

Fuck…the new badge is a symbol of what the owners had planned

 

[.h.]

Well, the original intention AFAIK was that we could compete both in Italy and the ESL - it was the CL that was getting dropped. AFAIK that was the intention of the English clubs, at least.


Like I said, I'm 100% against the ESL. My point is that I dont even REMOTELY blame Suning for signing up to it, even on shitty terms. 'Fuck Suning' for signing up to that is just ridiculous. We already get fucked harder in the CL, in the Serie A, and in football globally. At least they managed to get us a spot at the table.

 

[CafeCordoba]

You realise we don't get an equal share now right? Even if we win the CL other clubs will still make more than us

And yes participating is key. It's like a monopoly- if you arejt in the monopoly you're the one getting fucked. Don't be the one getting fucked in life, ever.

Sure, but by winning enough, we will make more than others. In CL you get rewarded for success. In Super league, it really doesn't matter how you do there.

It's all about the merit. Based on what do you, you get rewarded. This ridiculous closed-league bullshit with fixed payouts is simply disgusting. If it isn't changing anytime soon in the current world, then so be it. Then it won't change. Rather that than the plastic Super league.

Couldn't care less about Suning. They can go fuck themselves. They tried to save themselves out of the Inter trouble by signing to the Super league with ridiculous terms. They would have made Inter the BATE Borisov of CL. I say: fuck them.

 

[.h.]

there's still a huge element of prize money with the ESL, the money outlined isnt the sole distribution (AFAIK).

dont get me wrong, I agree with merit based sporting 100%.

We already are the BATE Borisov of the CL, what they're trying to do is make sure we werent the Braga of the EL.

I'd rather be the 18th best club in the ESL, than the best club in the CL. And same goes right now - we'd ALL rather be the club who gets knocked out in the CL group stages, than the one who gets knocked out in the quarters/semis of the EL. There's far more prize money, for one, in the former.

 

[CafeCordoba]

I just disagree with you.

BATE Borisov is the BATE Borisov of the CL. I don't give a fuck about prize money. Money is not everything. There is no prestige at all in the Super League. I couldn't give a fuck who wins it. It's simply to plastic. You can't create something great out of thin air which these perezes and agnellis of the world try to do. They care only about the money and being in power. They hate it when they are not in power. Agnelli family has Italy in their hands but they want more. I don't want Inter to have anything to do with that.

I'm saying that this is not purely about sporting thing, which competition has the best clubs (CL vs EL comparison), this is also a lot about power and money. We can't put aside that aspect and only concentrate on sporting side of the things.

 

[.h.]

but isnt that exactly what you did in the first part of your post? You put aside the power and the money

The CL would become a nothing cup. The UEFA Cup winner's cup used to be fairly prestigious as far as I know, until all the changes really relegated it. It would eventually be the exact same thing with the CL.

Dont get me wrong, its not an overnight change, it'd probably take 5 years, but as broadcast rights, sponsorship, etc deals lapsed, the money inevitably flows into the super league.

Again, let me stress, its a disgusting americanisation of the sport and I'm 100% against it. But if you think many fans outside of the hardcore fans who sign up to forums, post about clubs regularly for decades, etc, wouldn't follow their club to an ESL and watch big matches *WEEK IN WEEK OUT* you're sadly mistaken. The idea of playing a big club every week does REALLY appeal to me, and it does to Inter fans - why do you think our only sell out games are the biggest matches

Anyway, no one can blame Suning for wanting to be signed up there. We already make *far less* money than Real/Man Utd/etc. Like 30-40% of their revenue. It's not entirely unreasonable that we would do in an ESL environment either - its all about marketing and brand power. The English clubs have the benefit of, well, the English language which does help to broaden their appeal, and obviously all the late 90s early 00s EPL marketing has really driven their brand. Barca and Real probably can draw more fans in a single match than Inter does for half a season in terms of broadcast.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Big games aren't big games anymore when they are played week in week out. Then they become just regular games.

And of course I'm blaming Suning. I understand why they did it but it doesn't stop me opposing what they did.

 

[.h.]

So you think IF the super league had gone ahead, we shouldnt have signed up?

They are still big games. They'll still draw bigger crowds, bigger television audience, etc. Its kind of like the Premier League, you also get a marketing machine. Inter right now is lucky to get 6 or 8 big games a season, with sell out crowds etc. You're not wrong, of course, that at 20+ games a season (IIRC we'd be guaranteed 18 games with the ESL?) it will reduce the draw slightly, but i'd still expect us to be MASSIVELY up. If Messi is playing at the San Siro, we're selling out and we're doing well on the TV, however you cut it IMHO.

 

[brehme1989]

Signed up? We should have ousted them before it was even a thing...

 

[William]

Plus in the ESL there would be big games then games vs Inter and Milan that would become more of a circus attraction…

roll up, roll up see the Milanese clubs fight for second and third last place!!

 

[CafeCordoba]

We are back in ECA with the 8 other clubs.

3 outlaws (Real, Barca, Juve) continue playing Super league. Must be a great season, can't wait.

 

[Ethor]

This idea, of the super duper league, is never going to go away. If and when PSG, Bayern sign on and the others stay firm then it will probably happen, unfortunately. Moreover, if Inter is sold to a investment group who cares only about guaranteed monies then game over.

 

[pupivn]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1431262261528641538

English Premier League: European edition

 

[Strale]

UEFA was doing a great job of promoting ESL on their own for years. Announcing ESL was "hold my beer moment" by ESL guys.

 

[Il Drago]

UEFA Abandon Legal Proceedings Against Inter & Other Super League Clubs, Italian Broadcaster Reports​

Inter and the other clubs involved in the attempt to establish a breakaway Super League in April will not be subject to legal action from UEFA, with the governing body having given up on proceedings to sanction the clubs.

This according to Italian broadcaster Sky Sport Italia, who report that the Nerazzurri will not have to pay the fine imposed by European football’s top governing body as all proceedings have been declared “null and void.”

The fallout from the attempt by twelve top European clubs to form a breakaway Super League in April had been ongoing, with the likes of Juventus, Barcelona, and Real Madrid still committed to the project and the other nine clubs including Inter thought to be subject to fines.

However, the proceedings against the three clubs still involved in the project have been abandoned, while the fines against the likes of Inter, AC Milan, Atletico Madrid, and six major English clubs will also not have to be paid, following an announcement by UEFA President Aleksander Ceferin.