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Serie B can be a very challenging league for young players too with a lot of grizzled, seasoned professionals kicking about in a very competitive field. We’re insane to not bring him back in the summer to replace Correa/Arnautovic if we don’t bring in a top target like Jonathan David.
 

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Serie B can be a very challenging league for young players too with a lot of grizzled, seasoned professionals kicking about in a very competitive field. We’re insane to not bring him back in the summer to replace Correa/Arnautovic if we don’t bring in a top target like Jonathan David.
Kinda depends

If Inter u23 is up and running I'm open to recalling him, he can rotate between Serie C and A teams.

If not, a Serie A loan is ideal for him. First team starter in Serie A >> bench player for Inter every day, at his age/development cycle
 

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No team would guarantee him a starter spot. I guess he could do like Sebastiano and fight for it. But if for example he come back and does a good ritiro/tries to convices Simone I'd love to have him as 3rd/4th option, we play a ton of games.
 

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Kinda depends

If Inter u23 is up and running I'm open to recalling him, he can rotate between Serie C and A teams.

If not, a Serie A loan is ideal for him. First team starter in Serie A >> bench player for Inter every day, at his age/development cycle
I agree in principle, but I also care more about inter getting results. If he’s ready contribute then we already have a solution without having to spend a dime.

I’m also not opposed to a young player spending a year in the first team without the expectation of them playing a lot of minutes. It gives them a good opportunity to see what it’s like training with the big boys and what it takes to be a contributor. It’s also not like he would be taking a gap year to hitchhike in South America.. He would still be tasked as being a professional footballer. We did a similar thing with Dimarco before letting him continue his development on loan and it paid off.

What I’m not in favor of is bringing in someone like Asllani and expecting him to be vice-Calha only for them to start like 10 games in 3 years. He should be playing for a team like Bologna right now while he hopefully matures and makes a step up. The approach in the 2nd paragraph is only really a benefit for a single season.
 

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haha 15 m from Napoli.... that would suck. Give him the 15-20 minutes we give the 3 clowns on the bench each game for him to develop and the random start they get too.
 

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Wow. Hope we ship out at least 2x deadwood up front on the summer and have a real role with meaningful minutes
 

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I just don't see how we signhim with the RM option?
 

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I just don't see how we signhim with the RM option?

I think it's a given Real will activate the option. Even if they have no intention to use him, his market value far outweighs the option. They can earn a lot more by taking him back and reselling him. In the end you will need to deal with Real.

My fear is Real will either ask for a huge sum we can't afford or worse they will demand a buyback in any potential sale. A deal like Brahim Diaz at Milan or Morata at Juve.

Bernabe looks a lot simpler deal but not as flashy as a player.
 

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yeah exactly. I just dont see Paz being a practical option for us right now. + TBH we'd be crazy to give up Pio already. We can loan him, even loan with option + counter-option in a good deal, but depriving ourselves of him permanently when we dont even know his ceiling yet is crazy
 

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Real has enough players in his position and its not like they are known to promote them anyway. There have always been lots of RM academy players with huge potentian thriving elsewhere.
We have also historically always done good business with Real so if we want him they should not be a problem.
In restrospect he is just a kid with a breakout with Como. Not really a huge deal for them.

That being said Bernabe and him are completely different players. Id love to get them both.
 

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Read somewhere he is planned to be included in a deal for Nico Paz.

Do you know where you read that? I just want to know if it's a halfway-legit source or complete BS, because on the surface this sounds like BS. Madrid don't do makeweight sales, and I can't see why they would go for Pio when clearly they aren't lacking for attacking talent.

To go along with the broader discussion, as @Il Drago said, it's pretty much a given Madrid will activate his buyback even if only to sell him elsewhere. His buyback this upcoming summer is €9M. Pennies on the dollar. Why let Como sell him for €25M+ when you can sell him for that same price and get a profit from it? (This is to say nothing of the possibility of Paz coming back to Madrid with the idea of wanting to stay with the club; they could use his profile but their midfield is still pretty full on numbers at the moment.)

We have good relations with Madrid. We did the Hakimi transfer a few years ago. It's a combination of what Oaktree is willing to pay and just how high Paz's market value has risen. Vis-a-vis Paz and Bernabé, this is a real "put your money where your mouth is" situation for Oaktree given their overriding preference to pursue young talents. Both of them look like stars in the making (I'm especially high on the half-Argentine) and both already play in Italy. We're currently the most successful team going in the country right now, we need to validate that in the transfer market.

My fear is Real will either ask for a huge sum we can't afford or worse they will demand a buyback in any potential sale. A deal like Brahim Diaz at Milan or Morata at Juve.

They didn't have a buyback on Hakimi's transfer, but we also paid a higher price than Juve or Milan did in their transfers. Cost of doing business. We might be able to get him cheaper but with Madrid keeping one hand on the steering wheel, or we might be able to keep the car all to ourselves if we pay a little more. Depends on what you'd be comfortable with.
 

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i have 0 interest in being talent development for RM. Outright or not at all. no Brahim BS
 

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i have 0 interest in being talent development for RM. Outright or not at all. no Brahim BS

Don't forget Madrid sold Alex Jiménez to Milan this past summer as well, with a buyback attached.

I agree. Let Milan be the satellite club for Madrid in this town. But in this case...pay up.
 

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What upsets me is that I do not see this Como guy being special in the modern game.. Like it or not, the game has become so much more about physicality and he just does not seem to be faster or stronger than people he tries to dribble past..
 

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Do you know where you read that? I just want to know if it's a halfway-legit source or complete BS, because on the surface this sounds like BS. Madrid don't do makeweight sales, and I can't see why they would go for Pio when clearly they aren't lacking for attacking talent.

Gazzetta and Tuttosport.

They didn't have a buyback on Hakimi's transfer, but we also paid a higher price than Juve or Milan did in their transfers. Cost of doing business. We might be able to get him cheaper but with Madrid keeping one hand on the steering wheel, or we might be able to keep the car all to ourselves if we pay a little more. Depends on what you'd be comfortable with.

Also the cost of Hakimi's market value at the time. He was coming from two great years at Dortmund and he was considered one of the top rwbs itw. There was even interest from City and Bayern at the time. Real still wanted to insert a buyback clause but we refused to accept it straightaway. It also helped Zidane didn't see Hakimi as an option for rb.
 
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