Frank de Boer

Where will De Boer lead us this season?


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Hugo Boss

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Manager should be the key man together with sport director. Scouts are there to prepare informations and chairmans are there to prepare money.

Our problem with Mancini was that he wanted to work like Moratti is still president. If you remember his first spell, he managed to buy many finished players. Favalli, Mihajlovic, Davids, Veron, Vieira, Batistuta (not even one of the had more from 1 season in his legs).

Now he wanted to do the same but Chinese guys aren't stupid. They want long term project and the want ROI from every investment. Spoiled brat Mancini can't accept that while FDB used to work in worst environment than this. He will be happy with little.

This!
 

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I have a quick question for you guys. How much of a role should the manager have in dealing with transfers? Mancini wanted to have a big say in transfers, and isn't that normal, given that he is the one who has to deal with the playing 11 day in and out, has to get the team to produce results? In contemporary big clubs like Bayern, Barcelona etc, how much of a say do managers have in transfer policy?

It is obvious coaches should have a say in the recruitment of player but it should not be his way or the highway like Mancini wanted.

At modern clubs the coach identifies qualities he wants on players and a good Sporting director with a strong scouting network identifies players that fit those qualities and then together decide to go for a player. The "board" comes in with wether it makes financial sense to go for the player. It should be a collaborative effort, not a one man show.

The coach should really be worried more about the next game, not wether this or that player is the one they should be prioritizing. Just set the guidelines of the players he wants and then let the people the club hired for that do their work.

I'm pretty sure at clubs like Barça or Bayern the coach has little say on many of the players they sign because they've already set an standard for the players they want and their teams are mostly set.

The football world has moved on from the "manager" style one man shows because there is too much info out there and better ways to discern the information than just letting one man decide everything for the club.
 

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dude is your name really... enjoy like two accounts coz you act like him

Of course this isn't my real name. This is fucking nickname. You never heard of Bernardo Provenzano?

Dude, please... educate yourself!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardo_Provenzano

And no, I'm not @enjoy... I write in this forum a long time before him (about 3 years).

You ask a lot of stupid questions. Мaybe you write like a fool, but I don't ask whether are you stupid!
 

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It's a good thing I didn't see that photo of his family at work. Phew.. as said, can't tell which one is his wife.
 

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Re coach-manager thing imo a coach shouldn't be allowed to veto any deal. Inside those constraints they can make whatever arrangement they want, depending on their personalities, knowledge, network etc I presume some coaches have stronger connections in certain regions or better instinct when it comes to, say, defenders etc There should be certain freedom for a coach and a sporting director to find the best working relationship, but the club have the final say.

The rule should be explicitly communicated at the very beginning.
 

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Apparently Frank delivers furniture for his wife's business when she's too busy according to Di Marzio.

He's also tight fisted when it comes to cash, into fashion (every match he has a new outfit) while not following ajax's clothes sponsor and collects watches.

Fun read, he seems like a nice guy.

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Apparently Frank delivers furniture for his wife's business when she's too busy according to Di Marzio.

He's also tight fisted when it comes to cash, into fashion (every match he has a new outfit) while not following ajax's clothes sponsor and collects watches.

Fun read, he seems like a nice guy.

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as far as i am concerned, as long as he does a good job at inter he can even go around with his wife's dress. :p
 

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I've never been able to get behind the idea that a club should sign exactly the player a coach wants. (As in, not just fitting the type of player, but the same individual the coach is thinking of). Presumably a coach spends his working hours coaching. How many additional hours can he devote to scouting out potential transfers as well? It seems odd to entrust so much spending to an individual with limited time and information.
 

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Apparently Frank delivers furniture for his wife's business when she's too busy according to Di Marzio.

Is that enjoy's furniture that Frank delivers?

Now it all makes sense I suppose.. Frank, Inter, Furniture, Enjoy, Di Marzio.. It's not Kia after all :unsure:
 

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Apparently Frank delivers furniture for his wife's business when she's too busy according to Di Marzio.

He's also tight fisted when it comes to cash, into fashion (every match he has a new outfit) while not following ajax's clothes sponsor and collects watches.

Fun read, he seems like a nice guy.

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Apparently Ausilio and Thohir aware enjoy, the invisible hand, behind every inter's transfer.

They intentionally chose De boer, whose wife is a competitor of enjoy's business, to limit enjoy.
 

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I really hope he stays motivated as I can read he is motivated now and he can bring it to the players we really lacked motivation in the past year in my opinion.
 

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Good luck teaching this to these lazy fuckers.
 

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I think the thing that makes me feel OK about this move only 2 weeks before the season starts, is the way de Boer took over at Ajax. He was not hired in May or June and given the whole summer to prepare his team. Martin Jol was manager of Ajax at the start of the 2010-11 season. Jol went 9-5-3 in the clubs first 17 matches. He only won 1 of his final 5 league matches in charge, which lead to his firing. He also went 1-1-3 in the group stage of CL, losing to Real Madrid 4-0 at home! Ajax was in 5th place at the time of de Boer's takeover.

Frank was put in charge on December 6th and his first match was against Milan in the San Siro on December 8th. 2 days later! Not only did de Boer win the match against Milan 2-0, but he also won 13 of the final 17 matches in the league, defeating Twente on the final day to jump them in the standings and win the Eredivisie title. He did have the winter break, which lasts a month in the Eredivisie, after his first 2 matches in charge, but he has experience getting a team together in a short amount of time.

However, his second season in charge started off awful. If he had a similar start to that here, I could definitely see us firing him. At least if things were run like they used to be. I think Ajax fell all the way to 6th or 7th place that year by mid season. Not sure what ignited them, but they won the final 14 matches of the season, scoring 44 goals and allowing just 6!

In fact, de Boer showed a similar pattern in his first 3 seasons in charge. Ajax always started off slow when he was in charge and then finished strong each year.

2011-12
First Half: 9-6-2, 4th place (5-6-2 in first 13 matches)
Second Half: 14-1-2, 1st place

2012-13
First Half: 10-6-1, 3rd place (4-6-1 in first 11 matches)
Second Half: 12-4-1, 1st place

2013-14
First Half: 10-4-3, 2nd place (5-4-3 in first 12 matches)
Second Half: 10-7-0, 1st place

So let's not be in shock if the results do not happen right away. We gave Mancini 20+ months, hopefully we show the same patience with de Boer.
 

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Still better than being 1st until December, then fuck up the whole season.
 

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I think the thing that makes me feel OK about this move only 2 weeks before the season starts, is the way de Boer took over at Ajax. He was not hired in May or June and given the whole summer to prepare his team. Martin Jol was manager of Ajax at the start of the 2010-11 season. Jol went 9-5-3 in the clubs first 17 matches. He only won 1 of his final 5 league matches in charge, which lead to his firing. He also went 1-1-3 in the group stage of CL, losing to Real Madrid 4-0 at home! Ajax was in 5th place at the time of de Boer's takeover.

Frank was put in charge on December 6th and his first match was against Milan in the San Siro on December 8th. 2 days later! Not only did de Boer win the match against Milan 2-0, but he also won 13 of the final 17 matches in the league, defeating Twente on the final day to jump them in the standings and win the Eredivisie title. He did have the winter break, which lasts a month in the Eredivisie, after his first 2 matches in charge, but he has experience getting a team together in a short amount of time.

However, his second season in charge started off awful. If he had a similar start to that here, I could definitely see us firing him. At least if things were run like they used to be. I think Ajax fell all the way to 6th or 7th place that year by mid season. Not sure what ignited them, but they won the final 14 matches of the season, scoring 44 goals and allowing just 6!

In fact, de Boer showed a similar pattern in his first 3 seasons in charge. Ajax always started off slow when he was in charge and then finished strong each year.

2011-12
First Half: 9-6-2, 4th place (5-6-2 in first 13 matches)
Second Half: 14-1-2, 1st place

2012-13
First Half: 10-6-1, 3rd place (4-6-1 in first 11 matches)
Second Half: 12-4-1, 1st place

2013-14
First Half: 10-4-3, 2nd place (5-4-3 in first 12 matches)
Second Half: 10-7-0, 1st place

So let's not be in shock if the results do not happen right away. We gave Mancini 20+ months, hopefully we show the same patience with de Boer.

While did all those...

2010-11: Luis Suarez was sold to Liverpool in the winter window. and Urby Emanuelson went to AC Milan
2011-12: Stekelenburg, the Ajax player of the year, was sold to Roma.
2012-13: Verthongen was sold to Hotspurs. Van der Wiel left to PSG. Anita Vurnon left to Newcastle.
2013-14: Eriksen went to Hotspurs. Alderweireld went to Atletico Madrid.
 

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What bothers me is that we're overrating Ajax's talents big time. I am not really excited to buy any of their attacking "wonderkids".

Last serious attacking player over there was Suarez. Before that they all pushed Babel like a big thing but he failed miserably. That Milik is nothing special too and Napoli just forced that transfer.

Looks they are doing solid job with defenders in last 5 years though.
 

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What bothers me is that we're overrating Ajax's talents big time. I am not really excited to buy any of their attacking "wonderkids".

Last serious attacking player over there was Suarez. Before that they all pushed Babel like a big thing but he failed miserably. That Milik is nothing special too and Napoli just forced that transfer.

Looks they are doing solid job with defenders in last 5 years though.

Babel was before Suarez though.

Wouldn't it impress you more when you say the last serious attacker in Ajax was Suarez and Suarez was the first thing Frank sold out of Ajax and then he won 4 consecutive titles without any serious attackers?
 

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The "Holy ground of Inter" tweeted by Frank has been deconsacrated by too many players.

Our faith has been tested.

May "The Farmer" De Boer provide us with Manna (good football) during our travel in the desert of Scudetto and CL.

Towards the Promised Land (?).
 
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