Frank de Boer

[Adriano@10]

I agree but i m just more pissed at our players why the fuck cant they listen to what is their fucken boss. It just cant be that every time that they dont like a coach they stop playing and wait for him to get fired. I agree that at this point there is not much left other than fire debore coz while we can fire him and replace him we cannot replace 90% of our squad just like that.

Anyways i fell like this squad has no pride or fighting spirit what so ever otherwise we would not see this shit show week in week out.

 

[Wings]

Frankie often speaks about how the team should be playing or that he only sees the team playing how he wants (expects) in patches and not the full 90 minutes.

Imho, this demonstrates that the team is not playing to the game plan/ideals/philosophy that he wants. This is also evident from when he has often mentioned the wrongs of the team in his post match briefings.

The questions that need to be asked are; Does the team/players have an issue with understanding or moreso executing the game plan ? Does he himself have an issue with how he implements his game plan to the players whereby they simply don't understand it ?

To me, it's clear what the team are 'trying' to do. We see it work in patches. Is it the players mentality ? In terms of confidence in sticking to the game plan/instructions ?

I'm confident that Frankie isn't happy with our showing because his ideas on how we want to be playing isn't being transferred onto the park, but is it his ability to get the message across the failure ? Or is it the ability of our players to execute the game plan ?? Our brainfart defending and inability to take a lead & maintain it makes me believe it's the latter.

I'm not convinced that Frankie is the one to blame, as I'm not convinced that our players (majority of) have the smarts to execute what they've been coached/instructed to do.

I don't think we've found a happy medium. We may have some fantastic players as individuals, but that doesn't necessarily make them 'coachable' or any easier to bring together as a 'team' and execute game plans.

I think you make some really good points there I4E, but I'd look to MOurinho 08/09 as inspiration. When things were failing in his system, he quickly reverted to what Inter oculd do and dropped his expensive shiny toys in Mancini and Quaresma


The thing that worries me is the inability to change. We've seen several poor games, enough to the point where our players come out in the press and say 'We can win ugly', and he still (apparently) tries to get this silk out of us.


At the same time, we also have to question the suitability. We can say we want Icardi to play like Ibra, Medel to play like Xavi, and Candreva to be a modern Beckham, but it doesnt mean its going to happen. Being a good manager is about using your tools to accomplish what you can, rather than setting an inflexible direction

I don't know if the Mourinho comparison is an apt one. Mourinho had a reliable system to fall back on. Imo FdB does not (no, I don't consider Mancini's system a reliable one).

I can sort of see I4E's point. I think in midfield his efforts haven't been bad at all. Yes, there have been wrong turns, like we found out with Joao Mario just now, but you can see the logic behind what he's tried. I can appreciate that he's tried different things (within reason) toward a certain goal.

I can't really say the same with the attack. The attack is too one-dimensional and illogical. Why only cross when Icardi is your lone striker? But maybe the more worrying thing is that his in-game fix is always the same: sub in Palacio frustratingly late. And the next game it's back to the same plan. When it comes to the attack, it seems he can't correct his mistakes and doesn't know how to prevent them from happening again.

I guess I'm indifferent about FdB staying or leaving. With managers like Mancini and Mazzarri I saw little hope that things would improve. With FdB I can see (just about) enough positives for him to go on but also reason enough to believe he won't lead us anywhere.

One more thing I want to note: I see FdB as a manager whose actions are very influenced by pressure. It explains why he went completely defensive against Southampton and why he's been so loyal to 'hard-working' players like Eder or Medel and also to Icardi, who has bailed him out multiple times. But while I realize it's easy for me to say from my armchair, he really needs to experiment more. Clearly his 'safe' option isn't that safe when it's causing us to hemorrhage points.

 

[I4E]

I think you make some really good points there I4E, but I'd look to MOurinho 08/09 as inspiration. When things were failing in his system, he quickly reverted to what Inter oculd do and dropped his expensive shiny toys in Mancini and Quaresma


The thing that worries me is the inability to change. We've seen several poor games, enough to the point where our players come out in the press and say 'We can win ugly', and he still (apparently) tries to get this silk out of us.


At the same time, we also have to question the suitability. We can say we want Icardi to play like Ibra, Medel to play like Xavi, and Candreva to be a modern Beckham, but it doesnt mean its going to happen. Being a good manager is about using your tools to accomplish what you can, rather than setting an inflexible direction

Mourinho had a far better and experienced squad to work with, his change worked because of the players at his disposal. Frankie doesn't have that luxury. Although we have some good quality players, they are still quite immature. It seems that we are lacking a leader on the park that pushes/guides/instructs the team to hold the game plan, to keep the side together and to maintain the continuity for 90 minutes. Zanetti did this extremely well, even Cambiasso.

The game against Juventus is evidence that we 'can' play De Boer's way, the fact that we've fallen apart in other games is evidence that we can't maintain the continuity for reasons that may be as I mentioned above.

I don't like a manager to change or sway from his philosophy. Frankie has often changed it up to try and find the right formula by changing formation on some occasions (albeit effectively still a 4-3-3) and changing/moving players around. How much change or how many changes must be made before we can see the side playing as they did against Juventus ?

 

[.h.]

More contemporary example would be Conte changing his Chelsea formation to a 3-4-3 due to the limitations in his defense. I like the fact that FdB has a philosophy rather than changing our formation on a weekly basis but there has to be a practical middle ground where some games (especially away where we lost SEVEN out of our last nine matches) you have to adapt to your opponent. There's no shame in winning 1-0 and playing badly.

thats the thing to be honest. In the face of adversary we should see adaptation and survival instinct, not hard-headed stubborness

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Mourinho had a far better and experienced squad to work with, his change worked because of the players at his disposal. Frankie doesn't have that luxury. Although we have some good quality players, they are still quite immature. It seems that we are lacking a leader on the park that pushes/guides/instructs the team to hold the game plan, to keep the side together and to maintain the continuity for 90 minutes. Zanetti did this extremely well, even Cambiasso.

The game against Juventus is evidence that we 'can' play De Boer's way, the fact that we've fallen apart in other games is evidence that we can't maintain the continuity for reasons that may be as I mentioned above.

I don't like a manager to change or sway from his philosophy. Frankie has often changed it up to try and find the right formula by changing formation on some occasions (albeit effectively still a 4-3-3) and changing/moving players around. How much change or how many changes must be made before we can see the side playing as they did against Juventus ?

well, the one question to ask then is if one game alone is justification. We did, by all accounts, play a great game against Juventus, but they also fell foul to Milan... Maybe the issues were more them than us if you see what I mean? I didnt see the match so I'm not sure

 

[Javier'sSon]

More contemporary example would be Conte changing his Chelsea formation to a 3-4-3 due to the limitations in his defense.

thats the thing to be honest. In the face of adversary we should see adaptation and survival instinct, not hard-headed stubborness

That's simply not true. Conte wanted to play with a back 3 from the get go but he was under pressure to not use it as it is widely seen and thought of that a back 3 doesn't work in the PL. Only Mazzari and Pep play with a back 3, the former is given freedom from the club which is not a typical English club nor is it a top one and the latter can do whatever he wants because of his CV.

Actually, Conte played with a back 4 from the start of the season until he lost twice in a row in the league, against Liverpool and Arsenal (with a bit of experimenting with a back 3 in the league cup because there he had more freedom to play how he really wanted to), since then he'd played with his favoured back 3 and things have been looking extremely well for the Blues, unlike the beginning of the season where even though they were getting the 3 points questions were still asked of the performances.

So what you guys are trying to insinuate that he's done well adapting is misleading and false, his team started excelling and playing admirably when he actually went back to his roots and what he knows best. Not because injuries (even if they happened, they were a great excuse for him to play what he wants, and results followed) forced him to.

 

[.h.]

I was more hitting on the latter point of there being no shame in playing badly and winning 1-0.

 

[I4E]

Some good quality and sensible posts here lads.

:thumbsup:

 

[Internaziolific]

guidolin pls... until simeone is available

I wanted frank to stay... because of he's mmm daughters but fuck them all he needs to spare us of more humiliation

Guiodolin

 

[Javier'sSon]

I was more hitting on the latter point of there being no shame in playing badly and winning 1-0.

Oh ok, I always have trouble noticing the Bold font in a quoted post.

 

[ur-um]

We need a balance. Someone who is seen as fair, but 'harsh'. If you cross the line, you will be dealt with justly and correctly, but not blacked out of the squad for no good reasons, nor 'unapproachable'.

Agree with the "harsh" bit. I'm tempted to say that Inter should benifit from a coach like Felix Magath.

 

[Inter2010]

De Boer, says poor mentality cost Inter... more like "Clueless Coach" that equates to another wasted season, he's stubboness and poor mentality issues cost us points fuck him after southampton will get sacked

 

[nurko]

Media bullshit rumor mill is rather quite today.

 

[Matrix_invincible]

The problem is, Zanetti, Lucio, Cambiasso, Samuel, Eto, Stankovic etc were men! instead this inter squad is full of pussys beside handanovic and maybe miranda.

 

[ScottishInterista]

Who do we get if we let him go? Nobody better which is why i want to keep him

 

[ElDuccio]

Everyone is better then him.

 

[Pimpin]

How many times over the years are we going to see these pathetic reports of the players flipping on the manager and not agreeing with how they want them to play? I could swear this shit only happens so frequently at Inter. They join the club thinking of the history and how they expect to perform and get results ASAP and whenever there's a tough period they just lose interest and wait for the next manager to fuck over. Do we really need someone of a world class stature so that they would shut their mouths and get on with the job they have at hand? The fuck kind of mentality is that? Our constant changing of managers helps build that sort of lame mind set and it's in the back of our players' heads, playing shit? No worries, the manager will take the fall and he'll be replaced and meanwhile we'll just negotiate another pay rise. Fuckin lol.

De Boer is in a really hard place and his decisions as of late does not help his case whatsoever and, sadly, he'll more than likely get sacked. But does it not bother you how the players always win in these difficult moments when they are the most culprit (in my opinion) because they don't agree with that their boss, who by the way is fuckin qualified for the job, is telling them to do? I know de Boer has made mistakes but who doesn't? Is it too much to ask for him to be given time and to learn from his mistakes? Or once he lost the players there's really no going back from that?

It's just a sad state of affairs and most annoyingly of all it is nothing new for us.

I want to kiss you in what I assume is a hairy face of yours

 

[firmino]

That defensive line was kind of retarded though. I can agree with the idea of giving the.coach more time, but I also expect him, you know, to actually learn from his mistakes.

 

[ElDuccio]

Seems like Vecchi will be our new coach, starting from Friday if not even in some hours..

 

[Lionheart]

Here's my 2 cents: Fuck this club :work:

They seem to be unable to learn from the experiences of the past 6 years. This club embodies incompetence in every single aspect, to the full extent.

 

[IRR26]

Three days ago i was loud about keeping him. I like him as a coach, i see what he want to do, how he wants his team to play. But, i think he totally lost the locker. Really bad man management by him. Sorry to say this, but, i think is time for a caretaker.

Frank is a caretaker. Mancio was the real deal. He was the one Inter wanted. Even sacked Mazzarri little bit earlier to get him. Say what ever you like but Mancio never lost it like Frank has now lost it nowhere even near of it. Mancio knew that results are only thing that matters and at the beginning it went like a dream. After winter brake the team broke mentally like it has been broken every year after 2012. Even with that he manage to get the best finish since Leonardo. Mancio's only mistake was that he wasn't able to find the starters he could count week after week and also the tactical approach was very minimal.