Germany - Argentina (Quarter-final)

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I really didn't think Germany would come back and score a goal. In any normal game, a team would just shut it off against this Argentina, but that's what they call the crowd factor.

Also, Pekerman acted like a ball-less Italian coach and went for the caution! It was really shocking, you don't do stuff like that in the WC. Also, if you go with 3 CM's (Cambiasso, Lucho, Mascherano) then Messi should have come for Maxi Rodriguez.

LOL @ Collocini, what a poetic justice that the tying goal came off the right-flank of Argentina. Ballack had all day to cross that ball.

I am surprised at those here who questioned Odonkor's introduction. He gave Sorin so much trouble and provided great crosses. He is also hungry, and might be the only member in the German NT who actually shows emotions!

Respect to Catanha for being a man and admitting that some Argie players acted unprofessional. And I agree on Bierhoff, but he has always been a selfish jackass.
 

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catanha said:
and a rumour was that the Argentine FA were going to resign, and a new board with Maradona, Redondo, Kempes, Ruggeri leading the line with Valdano as coach with Javier Zanetti as captain.

congratulations to Germany.

Vamos, vamos Argentina, no te deja, no te deja de alentar.

:broken: :cry:


Oh man..if this happens, it will be the best possible for Argentina. Redondo, and Valdano..match in heaven! Despite being real figures, I adore both of them, because they were visionaries.

maradona has to be there for giving the team confidence..

that's as good as it gets...2010 will be Argentina's!
 

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Ayala:

5 games played, 1 goal (should've been 2), 0 yellow cards and 0 red cards.

Playing in a defence where one player just came back from a long injury and never looked sharp. Another player was jittery and got injured only to be replaced by two clowns and the GK was good-average.

Playing in a team that was offensive for the most part and included alot of youngsters. Still, you didn't even get a single card. You only comitted 7 fouls, but suffered 10!

You were flawless, the real captain and had the best defensive display I have ever witnessed in my life.

It wasn't supposed to end like this, but it ended in an Ayala-fashion. So much unfortunate events and unlucky circumstances, just like your soccer career.

Fark Nesta, Maldini, Stam etc. etc. YOU ARE THE BEST EVER.

Everyone else was the favourite son of the city with rolling red-carpets and love from everyone. You were another 'Gonzalez' or 'Carlos' that was given little chance and had to fight your way. They gave you little chance and wasted your years, and the curse of injuries always loomed over you.

Some had Baresi, Maldini etc. etc. and played in a defensive league. You played in the hub of offensive soccer with average defensive partners. You won your team the championship in the face of Los Galacticos in their prime.

I pity those who don't appreciate you. I just hope God gives you health and good fortune and we all see you again and again.
 

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Argentina in southafrica 2010, with Hector Cuper, i hope it's not maradona or bianchi.

-------------------------------USTARI----------
ZAAAAAANNNNNEEEEEEETTTIIIIIIII (36 years old :D )---AYALA-----MILITO------HEINZE-----
-----------------------------------MASCHERANO--GAGO---CUCHO--------------
----------------TEVEZ------------------------------------MESSI----------------------
--------------------------------------EL KUN-------------------------------------
 

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I had hoped they'd hire Cuper when they fired Biesla, but I was wrong. I hope it's either Bianchi or Cuper this time.

Catanha, if you read this, what are you thoughts on Cuper (in general and about him getting this job?)
 

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Hamed said:
Ayala:

5 games played, 1 goal (should've been 2), 0 yellow cards and 0 red cards.

Playing in a defence where one player just came back from a long injury and never looked sharp. Another player was jittery and got injured only to be replaced by two clowns and the GK was good-average.

Playing in a team that was offensive for the most part and included alot of youngsters. Still, you didn't even get a single card. You only comitted 7 fouls, but suffered 10!

You were flawless, the real captain and had the best defensive display I have ever witnessed in my life.

It wasn't supposed to end like this, but it ended in an Ayala-fashion. So much unfortunate events and unlucky circumstances, just like your soccer career.

Fark Nesta, Maldini, Stam etc. etc. YOU ARE THE BEST EVER.

Everyone else was the favourite son of the city with rolling red-carpets and love from everyone. You were another 'Gonzalez' or 'Carlos' that was given little chance and had to fight your way. They gave you little chance and wasted your years, and the curse of injuries always loomed over you.

Some had Baresi, Maldini etc. etc. and played in a defensive league. You played in the hub of offensive soccer with average defensive partners. You won your team the championship in the face of Los Galacticos in their prime.

I pity those who don't appreciate you. I just hope God gives you health and good fortune and we all see you again and again.
I gotta admit defeat here. I've always thought you and catanha were overrating the shit out of Ayala, but he was the best defender in the WC, an absolute rock, not one mistake, ready to cover for others, just incredible, hats off to him.
 

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Hamed, no to Cuper.
From his time @ Inter how many awesome playmakers did he reject? Kaka, Ronaldinho etc.

Argentina's future is to play beautifully, to play a tridente consisting of Tevez, Aguero & Messi, and I'll be pretty surprised if Cuper had those players @ his disposal and if he even plays one of them in his team.
 

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catanha said:
Hamed, no to Cuper.
From his time @ Inter how many awesome playmakers did he reject? Kaka, Ronaldinho etc.

Argentina's future is to play beautifully, to play a tridente consisting of Tevez, Aguero & Messi, and I'll be pretty surprised if Cuper had those players @ his disposal and if he even plays one of them in his team.

nevermind that he would take the team to the final and lose it. ;)

No man..the future is Valdano!! I pray to god that he takes over.
 

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I felt sorry for Esteban.
 

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Frisko, I am glad you saw the light brother. I respect your opinions, but I am happy that you and the world saw the real Ayala. Too bad it had to end.

catanha said:
Hamed, no to Cuper.
From his time @ Inter how many awesome playmakers did he reject? Kaka, Ronaldinho etc.

For the record Catanha, Moratti came out and denied that Cuper rejected Dinho. I think it's the same with Kaka, and let's not forget that the management rarely listened to Cuper.

I am sure if they had the chance, they'd have gotten Kaka and Dinho and told Cuper to work it out. After all, they got him Morfeo, a playmaker, and told him to make it work!
 

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Argentina should have been through, if it weren't for Abodenzieri's injury!
The guy is my goalie choise in case of any penalties, in Boca in the Libertadores he rules penalties, I really like him.
 

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Argentina should have been through, if it weren't for Abodenzieri's injury!
The guy is my goalie choise in case of any penalties, in Boca in the Libertadores he rules penalties, I really like him.

Oh, then it was a really bad luck for Argentina, cause Leo Franco reminded me of Julio Cesar on penalties.
 

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YOUR FAULT, JOSE
By Wang Meng Meng

July 03, 2006

NO way, Jose.

Normally so astute and so wise, Argentina's rocket scientist of a coach picked the most inopportune moment to make his only tactical goof of the competition.

And now, Jose Pekerman has paid the ultimate price - his head.

As he announced his shock resignation in the wake of his country's 4-2 defeat on penalties to Germany in the last eight, having drawn 1-1 at the end of extra-time, he knows that victory, a spot in the World Cup semi-finals and a place in footballing immortality was there for his taking. But he let it all slip away.

It seemed to be against all logic, to say the least.

Pre-match, the 56-year-old was on an unprecedented high.

He is hailed as the best youth coach ever, having taken Argentina's Under-20s to three world titles in 1995, 1997 and 2001.

He reached the quarter-finals of this World Cup by playing some of the finest football seen in Germany, especially that 6-0 slaughter of Serbia and Montenegro.

And he has been praised by the Argentinian press for taking 10 attacking players to Germany - Juan Roman Riquelme, Lionel Messi, Pablo Aimar, Carlos Tevez, Hernan Crespo, Julio Cruz, Rodrigo Palacio, Luis Gonzalez, Maxi Rodriguez and Javier Saviola.

But against all logic, Pekerman kept his high-calibre guns holstered in Berlin just when it was the perfect time to brandish them and pump the Germans full of lead.

Up until the 72nd minute, Argentina were coasting.

An off-colour German side were on the backfoot, having fallen behind to Roberto Ayala's emphatic header in the 49th minute.

The deadly triangle of Michael Ballack, Miroslav Klose and Lukas Podolski were feeding on crumbs. And Juergen Klinsmann simply could not find a way to outwit his South American opponents.

Sensing that a famous victory was close at hand, Pekerman boldly removed his chief architect Riquelme and replaced him with holding midfielder Esteban Cambiasso. It was a decision that was greeted with joy on the Rhine and met with shock back at River Plate.

Lest it be forgotten, it was the man they call Romi who was punching holes in Klinsmann's armour with those radar-guided through passes. And it was his unerring corner that was thumped home by Ayala.

Though there was space to be exploited, which was right up the playmaker's alley, the coach's decision to send in a destroyer proved fatal as it surrendered all the initiative to the Germans.

As the hosts poured more resources forward, Pekerman could have sealed his opponents' fate by sending in the fleet-footed Messi, Saviola or Aimar to make a beeline for lumbering centre-backs Per Mertesacker and Christoph Metzelder.

TIMELY

In addition, with Germany's energy sapping away laying siege on stand-in Leonardo Franco's goal, the timely use of fresh legs with fresh ideas by Argentina would probably have buried the Germans for good.

Instead of making one final push, Pekerman forced his team to take two steps backwards. His choice of substitutes, Cambiasso and Julio Cruz, proved to be uninspiring.

And there never was any coming back against arguably the most resilient national team ever.

Right on cue, Klins-men made Argentina pay with just 10 minutes left.

Drifting to the left, Ballack found some room to plant a cross inside the box where Tim Borowski was on hand to provide the flick-on.

And Klose needed no second invitation to send a powerful header past Franco, who had replaced the injured Roberto Abbondanzieri.

Then came the inevitable, the dreaded penalty shoot-out after the stalemate in extra-time, which really should be re-named the German Roulette after their amazing knack of winning these World Cup tie-breakers against France (1982 semi-final), Mexico (1986 quarter-final), England (1990 semi-final) and even during the European Championships (England again, in the 1996 semi-final).

In the test of nerves, Ballack, whose calf injury had flared up again, defied medical science to step up and hoof a shot that totally wrong-footed Franco.

How Pekerman could do with the marksmanship of Riquelme, Crespo, Aimar, Saviola and Messi in his hour of need.

Instead, Ayala and Cambiasso hardly looked confident as they aimed their kicks straight at Lehmann.

He took risks. He gambled. He bet the farm.

But what is it they say about unhatched chickens?

What a cock-up.
 

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What the f*ck! :D Michal, how the hell did you get your hands on a Singaporean article? :D Let me just say that I read that newspaper (The New Paper) everyday and it's full of bollocks, don't even bother reading it. One of the "pundits" even proudly proclaimed that he has 2 TV to watch 2 simultaneous CL matches to analyze both of them at the same time. :lol::lol::lol: A bigger joke than Pekerman, these guys.

Respect for Catanha for accepting Argie's defeat graciously. :star: You're wrong on one thing though mate. J.Zanetti has the physique of a Superman and he WILL play in World Cup 2010 barring any cock-up of a coach. :strong: (Hopefully Ayala does too. My eyes have been opened too, in this World Cup, just like Frisko.)


Hand;)yo
 

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Handoyo said:
One of the "pundits" even proudly proclaimed that he has 2 TV to watch 2 simultaneous CL matches to analyze both of them at the same time. :lol::lol::lol: A bigger joke than Pekerman, these guys.

lollllllllllllllllllll, now that was funny! What is his name? Just to watch out for him in the future?
 

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Hamed said:
lollllllllllllllllllll, now that was funny! What is his name? Just to watch out for him in the future?
Tohari Paijan. :D A local football coach here. I'm not sure but I think his club is in a league equivalent to Serie C2 in Italy. :D

The best thing is, he writes with supreme confidence and claims that had coach X did "this and that" his team would have won the match.

He never cease to amaze me. Once put R.Carlos & Cafu in a 3-men defence (Not the wing-backs!) in one of his dream team.


Hand;)yo
 

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Cufre given brawl ban
Saturday 8 July, 2006
Roma defender Leandro Cufre and Argentine teammate Maxi Rodriguez have received hefty bans for their part in a brawl with Germany.

The unseemly melee broke out after Germany won a quarter-final penalty shoot-out and video footage showed Cufre sparking the scuffle by kicking defender Per Mertesacker in the groin.

The Roma player, who was an unused substitute in that game, has been given a four-match ban and fined £4,800 for his part in the incident.

Maxi Rodriguez will have to sit out a two-match suspension and fined £2,400 after he was caught on camera throwing punches in the ensuing brawl.

German midfielder Torsten Frings was banned for the semi-final defeat to Italy for punching Julio Cruz. Video evidence from Italian television station Sky Italia was used to suspend the player.

(channel4)


Disgrace. :yuck:

Can someone please enlighten me, how and why the hell do fines given to player or clubs always amount to only 0.000001% of the total wages/revenue they make? :confused:

Cufre deserves to be ban for life after that kick.

Though to be honest, we ourselves are familiar about such an incident when Matrix punched Cirillo even though Matrix wasn't even on the match squad when we played Siena in San Siro on 03/04. :D

Whether provoked, or unprovoked, such actions should thrown outta football.


Hand;)yo
 

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Please somebody kill Blatter. Phuckin disgrace, that piece of sh it Cufre gets a 4 match suspension just like De Rossi?

Phuck this, even better phuck you FIFA, FukinIdiotsFukininArseholes.
 
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