Goal Scorers and Assist-Men 2021/22

[Bluenine]

I vote for Barella's dive to be counted as a KC in Brozo's goal

I must admit, I was tempted to do that. Even watched the replay a few times after the game to see if I could justify it!

 

[Sawyer]

Wrong thread, my bad.

 

[Bluenine]

Milan 1-1 Inter (07 Nov 21)
11' Calhanoglu pen

We have only 4 player who create/score a goal every 90 minutes. Vidal, Sanchez, Dzeko & Correa, in that order. Inzaghi needs to use Vidal and Sanchez more.

As of 07 Nov 21:

- For consistency, assists awarded as per legaseriea.it
- kc = Key contributions
- GC = Goal Contributions ie total goals the player has scored or created = goals + assists + kc
- GC% = Percentage of Inter goals the player has scored or created

 

[Bluenine]

Inter 3-2 Napoli(22 Nov 21)
25' Calhanoglu pen (kc: Barella)
44' Perisic (a: Calhanoglu)
61' Martinez (a: Correa, kc: Barella)

 

[brehme1989]

For goal #3, I'd give a KC for Barella for his double input, first in helping get that ball back and second for that crazy run that helped slice their defense.

 

[CafeCordoba]

I agree.

Also if Barella gets the KC for the penalty, I'd give a KC for Darmian too, the pass was equally good as the shot.

 

[Bluenine]

So far I am avoiding giving KCs for runs which create space. Once we start giving those KCs, there will be no end to it. Do you guys think we should open that pandora's box? Or maybe we just award Barella a "special case" KC for the double input as Brehme is suggesting, but continue to ignore runs which create space for future KCs. Just want to be consistent here, what do you think?

KC for Darmian's pass - I think its a bit much, but am happy to over rule myself if you both agree.

 

[brehme1989]

I'm completely against giving KC for getting a penalty. That should also hand out KCs for direct FKs. And eventually we go for the other pandora's box and give it to indirect set pieces, including corners.

I don't think it's a pandora's box. If a run enables a goal, it's KC. A run that's just a run, shouldn't. They are pretty obvious cases as you can see how a defense responds to it and how it affects the play.

 

[CafeCordoba]

I can see the argument of a pandora box. But I also think Barella's contribution was pretty clear in this particular case.

And actually I agree with brehme on penalties and KCs. It's soon easy to go further and further from the actual goal scoring play. Like that Darmian pass to Barella. I would actually remove KCs from penalties completely. Have you been doing that consistently Bluenine right from the start? I think that's one thing to re-consider if so.

Maybe some totally clear-cut obvious ones like dribbling past few players, getting to clear scoring chance and then defender brings you down or something, then I could admit KC for penalty is granted? Thoughts?

 

[Bluenine]

I can see the argument of a pandora box. But I also think Barella's contribution was pretty clear in this particular case.

And actually I agree with brehme on penalties and KCs. It's soon easy to go further and further from the actual goal scoring play. Like that Darmian pass to Barella. I would actually remove KCs from penalties completely. Have you been doing that consistently Bluenine right from the start? I think that's one thing to re-consider if so.

Maybe some totally clear-cut obvious ones like dribbling past few players, getting to clear scoring chance and then defender brings you down or something, then I could admit KC for penalty is granted? Thoughts?

I have been giving a KC for the player who wins the penalty for consistency. But I see the points raised by both of you, we can be objective when it comes to KCs. Lets do it case-to-case basis from now on, going with the majority decision.

The one thing we should keep in mind is that not all goals are of equal quality, not all assists are of equal quality, and hence not all KCs need to be of equal quality. Consistency in awarding KCs is important.

 

[Bluenine]

Inter 2-0 Shakhtar(24 Nov 21)
61' Dzeko (kc: Perisic, Darmian)
67' Dzeko (a: Perisic)

 

[CafeCordoba]

Actually I reverted my opinion, no KC for Barella or Darmian for the penalty if you ask me.

I wouldn't give KC to Darmian in Dzeko's goal. IMO that was more just a bounced, random ball which fell to Dzeko than anything else.

 

[Bluenine]

Actually I reverted my opinion, no KC for Barella or Darmian for the penalty if you ask me.

You changy! I will then revert to my original decision and take KC away from Darmian. Barella gets one for consistency's sake.

I wouldn't give KC to Darmian in Dzeko's goal. IMO that was more just a bounced, random ball which fell to Dzeko than anything else.

Its not a deserving KC, its more of a KC for "enterprise" in the penalty area. If Darmian does not make a nuisance of himself in the opposition area so often, we will score less goals and there would be less opportunities like these. So I think that KC should stand, Darmian's blocked shot created the goal shot for Dzeko.

And we have been harsh on Darmian in the first point, so lets be lenient on the 2nd. God knows he has deserved far more assists/KCs this season if Inter players could finish easy chances.

 

[Bluenine]

Venezia 0-2 Inter (27 Nov 21)
34' Calhanoglu (kc: Brozovic)
90' Martinez pen

 

[Candreva Crosses]

Venezia 0-2 Inter (27 Nov 21)
34' Calhanoglu (kc: Brozovic)
90' Martinez pen

Martinez kc on the 2nd goal?

 

[Bluenine]

Martinez kc on the 2nd goal?

You can't get kc/assist on the goal you score

 

[Candreva Crosses]

You can't get kc/assist on the goal you score

That's weak!

How does someone get assist on the goal they themself score?

 

[CafeCordoba]

@Bluenine are you going to update the table in the first post or post an updated table?

 

[Bluenine]

Here you go, Cafe

Inter 2-0 Spezia (01 Dec 21)
36' Calhanoglu (a: Martinez, kc: D'Ambrosio)
58' Martinez pen

As of 01 Dec 21:

 

[Bluenine]

Roma 0-3 Inter (04 Dec 21)
15' Calhanoglu (kc: Rui Patricio )
24' Dzeko (a: Calhanoglu, kc: Bastoni)
39' Smartfries (a: Bastoni)

Real Madrid 2-0 Inter (07 Dec 21)