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If someone can show me an image that shows that it was 100% not a goal, then I will gladly admit it was not, but there was no clear image during the match, and based on the leg of Skrtel, it looked in to me.


By the way...I would love to know how this = a yellow card??

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hehe cue the xfiles music in the background..........

just wondering if there are any pics that show it was a goal...? or have the conspiracist taken capture of all of them too....??

Former Scotland international and analyst Andy Gray suggested that it was a goal because it hit Skrtel on his right thigh, which was past the goal line at the point of impact. He speculated that the assistant referee could not see the ball, since Skrtel's body obscured it.

However, for a team to score a goal, the entire ball must fully cross the line in the air or on the ground. In other words, there must be daylight space between the point of the ball nearest to the goal line and the outside edge of the goal line.

Therefore, that Skrtel's leg was a few inches behind the goal line did not automatically mean that the ball is out of play. The ball has a diameter close to nine inches, making it unlikely that the ball fully crossed the line. However, the appropriate replay is not there to confirm that view, which is why this was a somewhat contentious situation.
 

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This picture does not prove anything, but it does give you an idea how far in he was. His heel is about 6 inches behind the line, you cannot really tell how far back his thigh is but his leg is leaning back a bit further than his foot, if it wasn't you would be able to see his knee or thigh more clearly.

This means that we can say the ball could have been 6 or more inches over the line, whether or not it was all the way in, we may never know and to be honest it does not matter because it was not ruled a goal, but to say it was 100% not a goal is really misleading:


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Kinda pointless, vitomins...I don't think there's been a conclusive angle that would show anything either way...The best angle I saw was from the vantage point of Skrtel and along the end line...At best, part of the ball may have crossed the line but you never see the ball entirely...You do see Skrtel's leg and it's left to estimation as to whether the ball could've completely crossed the line with his leg in the position it was...Not that it matters now but it didn't look like it crossed completely based on that
 

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italian meltdown in 5,4,3.......:lol:lol:
 

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italian meltdown in 5,4,3.......:lol:lol:

Why is that? At least FCBarca says "it didn't look like it crossed" instead of saying it was "100% not a goal."
 

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Kinda pointless, vitomins...I don't think there's been a conclusive angle that would show anything either way...The best angle I saw was from the vantage point of Skrtel and along the end line...At best, part of the ball may have crossed the line but you never see the ball entirely...You do see Skrtel's leg and it's left to estimation as to whether the ball could've completely crossed the line with his leg in the position it was...Not that it matters now but it didn't look like it crossed completely based on that


But that photo of the goalkeeper throwing a punch is 100% conclusive. He should have been sent off immediately. Playing 10 minutes down a man with a backup keeper would have been a much harder task for Slovakia...
 

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But that photo of the goalkeeper throwing a punch is 100% conclusive. He should have been sent off immediately. Playing 10 minutes down a man with a backup keeper would have been a much harder task for Slovakia...

Yeah, that was an odd exchange...Didn't help that the Italian player went that deep into the net let alone act like he was shot...Keeper deserved a yellow, no doubt, but would've been harsh to send him off for that...Then again, we saw things like that in this WC already (Behrami for the Suisse, for one)
 

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Yeah, that was an odd exchange...Didn't help that the Italian player went that deep into the net let alone act like he was shot...Keeper deserved a yellow, no doubt, but would've been harsh to send him off for that...Then again, we saw things like that in this WC already (Behrami for the Suisse, for one)


A red card would be harsh for throwing a punch??? Is this the same guy who tried defending Messi's dive?? How anyone can look at those photos and say a red card would have been harsh is completely mind boggling to me. If that was Messi or Xavi getting punched I am sure you would be asking for a multiple game suspension...
 

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A red card would be harsh for throwing a punch??? Is this the same guy who tried defending Messi's dive?? How anyone can look at those photos and say a red card would have been harsh is completely mind boggling to me. If that was Messi or Xavi getting punched I am sure you would be asking for a multiple game suspension...

Back to that terrible analogy, are we?

I didn't see a punch thrown but is there any doubt how the Italian went down as if he had been shot?...I see an arm extended from the keeper but a punch?...Come on...You're reaching

I think the keeper should've been booked for at least time wasting there but for punching?...I don't think so
 

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Back to that terrible analogy, are we?

I didn't see a punch thrown but is there any doubt how the Italian went down as if he had been shot?...I see an arm extended from the keeper but a punch?...Come on...You're reaching

I think the keeper should've been booked for at least time wasting there but for punching?...I don't think so


In the first picture, what would you call that? A person swings a closed fist and it strikes the player in the face, which you can clearly see he made contact and you don't call it a punch?? Is it a hug?

From FIFA:
Including the automatic suspension incurred in accordance with
art. 18 par. 4, any recipient of a direct red card shall be suspended as
follows:
a) one match for denying the opposing team a clear goal-scoring
opportunity (particularly by deliberately handling the ball);
b) at least one match for serious foul play (particularly in the case of
excessive or brute force);
c) at least one match for unsporting conduct towards an opponent
or a person other than a match offi cial (subject to art. 53, 54 and
57-60);
d) at least two matches for assaulting (elbowing, punching, kicking
etc.) an opponent or a person other than a match official;

e) at least six matches for spitting at an opponent or a person other
than a match offi cial.
 

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You're reaching, vito...I wouldn't have called it a punch, more like shielding himself from the charging player..Foolish from the keeper but not what I'd call a punch and not when he's hunched in the corner of his own net with the opposing player nearly on top of him
 

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You're reaching, vito...I wouldn't have called it a punch, more like shielding himself from the charging player..Foolish from the keeper but not what I'd call a punch and not when he's hunched in the corner of his own net with the opposing player nearly on top of him


Swinging a fist at someones face is called shielding now...I will have to remember that one.
 

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Swinging a fist at someones face is called shielding now...I will have to remember that one.

Extending your arm out, closed fist or not, is now apparently referred to as a punch...I'll jot that one down too
 

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Extending your arm out, closed fist or not, is now apparently referred to as a punch...I'll jot that one down too


When did I say closed fist or not? You put words in my mouth my friend. Extended, swinging arm + closed fist + contact with face = a punch everywhere in the world except for Catalonia I guess, there it must be referred to as a kiss...
 

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The pictures indicate the ball crossed the line. But I felt the leg actually moved forward before the impact, and then the ball bounced out and the leg went 'further' back.

Anyways, I hope Italy focusses on getting the shit of out their team instead of making this as an excuse and not improving hereafter.
 

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Why are people arguing whether the Slovakian goalkeeper hit Fabio Quagliarella or whether the ball crossed the line or furthermore whether the offside goal was indeed offside? The simple fact is Italy should never have been in the situation where any of this counted. If this is what it has boiled down to then Italian international football, sadly, is in an even worse state than I thought it was yesterday.
 

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There was no offside at Quagliarella disallowed goal. I'm still happy Italia got out though.
 

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There was no offside at Quagliarella disallowed goal. I'm still happy Italia got out though.

Doesn't matter a fuck whether there was an offside goal or not. If Lippi had engaged his brain and brought players with him who deserved to go instead of his sexbuddies then Italy would have beaten New Zealand and Slovakia offside goal or no offside goal. You're a bit of a hypocrit though to support an Italian team for nine months of the year then to laugh at Italy when they perform badly at a World Cup.
 
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