Inter - Milan (22 Sep 24) [1-2]

[Jane The Virgin]

Some of the people here crack me up. We’ll hype up our players for certain behavior, call them legends or badasses, but the moment the opponent does the same thing to us, we lose it, start name-calling, saying they're out of line, blah blah blah.

Look, we lost. It sucks, but it’s not the end of the world. Inzaghi is still the same coach who some of us were calling a mastermind for outclassing Pep or at least going toe to toe with him. Nothing is changed there.

What has changed, if you ask me, is the hunger to win. Most of these guys look like they've already ticked their boxes; some by winning the title, some by being part of the "team that got the second star", some by shutting up rival fans.

Last year’s celebration didn’t feel like "just another title" (and rightly so, to an extent), but it felt like a century-long marathon finally ended, and now it’s like everyone thinks they’ve completed the game.

With this mentality, I’d give us a 10% chance to win the title this year, at best.

Everyone's to blame a little bit. It’s not like we’re losing or failing to win because of just one thing.

But man, these games really show that this “eh, I don’t mind him as our third-choice striker/mid/cb” mentality is toxic. It’s dragging us down.

We have the formula, lets not get carried away with experiments and go back to winning.

2 more loses and we can kiss the scudetto goodbye.

 

[Jnr]

I didn't have a problem taking Calhanoglu with a yellow out. That was a position which was very vulnerable for possible foul committing in this match. Since Calhanoglu wasn't even good in this match so changing to Asllani didn't really even mean that much.

Inter received 3 shots with Calha and 16 with Asslani when he replaced him. Even with a yellow you can still guard the defense and spread the passes, experience is needed in year's most important game.

Its very important that Zielinski gets into the spotlight faster, especially when replacing Calha. He can do it 100% it just takes time. Asslani I've lost hope on the kid. You need grinta and physicality here and he lacks it.

Huge mistake by Simone.

 

[bubba zanetti]

Fonseca outsmarted Limone and did what Pioli was not able to do. They totally read our game and system and that is what worries me the most. Hope Limone can learn something from it so that this game turns to be anomaly and not standard.

 

[ADRossi]

It seems obvious to me. You cannot let Milan have repeated counters. It's where they're most dangerous. You need to dare them to break you down, where they lack proper goal scoring threats who can make something out of half chances.

 

[Jnr]

Bubba, next derby we will be prepared better. The squad will find their motivation. Obv we have to be in peak fitness too. Maybe we meet in a Supercup final. Defeating them there would bring huge joy and then all milanisti had was one little September masturbation while we lift silverware while they're watching.

Give me that scenario.

 

[CraigM]

With news that Barella picked up his thigh injury, maybe those moaning about the substitutions might recognise that they don't really know what's happening on the pitch to understand why certain decisions are, or have to be made.

 

[Glass box]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838252410378067994

And here he is again. I remember even from banter era Bergomi just can't wait to talk shit about Inter all the time whenever he has opportunity. Wondering why. It's always some "smart" comment from him,indirectly talking shit.

I don't see how Bergomi is wrong when he says the attitude and desire among Inter players is at low levels? That's what 90% of fif says.

That's also closest to the truth when the same squad won the league by +20 points last season.

 

[Glass box]

Wait, did Inzaghi subs out Mikhy and Hakan due to yellow cards only? Old (& moronic) habit lasts long.

Inter, le riflessioni di Inzaghi: i motivi dei tre cambi a centrocampo

Focus sulla gestione della gara dell'allenatore nerazzurro dalla panchina senza però gli effetti sperati in Inter-Milan

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Dunno about the old man but Hakan did not look tired at all. He even looks surprised by that decision.

Inzaghi always says that he subs out players because they were tired.

 

[Kramerica Industries]

It seems obvious to me. You cannot let Milan have repeated counters. It's where they're most dangerous. You need to dare them to break you down, where they lack proper goal scoring threats who can make something out of half chances.

I don't know when it happened exactly, I wanna say beginning around the 70th minute or so, but when I was watching the game this morning and I saw the game getting more and more stretched, the immediate thought in my head was "Milan has the younger and more athletic team; getting into a back-and-forth transition game works to their favor". The last thing we needed to do was get desperate. We weren't the desperate team in this game. I understand, it was our home derby, there was a little more expectation, and of course having won six straight derbies meant the players probably felt more compulsion to show their "going for it", but ultimately if it turned out a draw it would've hardly been the end of the world. Not optimal, there would've still been complaints here and elsewhere, but by the time the 80th minute rolled around, I was in the "I'll take the draw and escape" bargaining stage, the game flow wasn't in our favor at all.

I also could not help but see Bastoni get subbed off in a curious manner (I thought for sure Augusto was coming on for Dimarco, doubly so given Dimarco had a knock last week and rarely goes the full 90) and immediately think "last time I remember seeing this, Morata was on the field that night as well for the opponent and it ended very badly for us".

By the time Gabbia scored the winner, my reaction was half "g-d fucking dammit" and half "yep, this is the appropriate result". xG was 0.94-2.76 in favor of Milan if I remember correctly what I saw this morning, in a sense the score actually flattered us. And for all of Milan's trials and tribulations to begin the season, we're five games in and no better off than they are.

I will say one thing - we didn't get off to a tremendously great start in the 2020-'21 Scudetto winning season either. There was a stretch (incl. CL games) where I think we lost/drew 7 times in 8 games, we spent the entire first half of the season looking up the table at Milan. One thing Conte did do over the course of that season, that he wasn't afraid to do, was change the lineup from what he wanted to something that worked. You guys touched on it in the pod, and we've touched on it here all of the past summer, that running back the same XI with little in the way of meaningful depth transfers isn't a winning formula no matter how good the previous season might've been. Mkhitaryan hasn't scored a goal since his derby brace against Milan over 365 days ago now. He looks like he's aged another year from one game to the next. Pulisic could've been charged with crimes for how badly he beat him for the first goal. I'm not doubting he still can offer something, but he needs to have his role reduced. Vidal was actively hurting us as a regular starter under Conte, eventually so was Ashley Young, and eventually both saw reductions in their roles. Inzaghi can't make himself captive to loyalty, the last Scudetto is over, it's done with, everyone's moved on, the only Scudetto that anyone cares about is the next one. (And, depending on who you ask, we're still only tied with Milan in the Scudetto count, and both of the previous times we've won the Scudetto, Milan won it the very next year.)

 

[SiamoNoi]

I don't see how Bergomi is wrong when he says the attitude and desire among Inter players is at low levels? That's what 90% of fif says.

That's also closest to the truth when the same squad won the league by +20 points last season.

He said Inter is not the strongest team in Italy. So you all here suddenly agree with that? After one loss? Seriously?


I was the first who said months ago that people will be massively disappointed if they expect the same season and us to win easily once again. But this is just bullshit. And he is always doing that. Indirectly talking bullshit about the club. For years and years. It almost feels like he wanted some function but nobody gave him a call.

 

[Glass box]

He said Inter is not the strongest team in Italy. So you all here suddenly agree with that? After one loss? Seriously?


I was the first who said months ago that people will be massively disappointed if they expect the same season and us to win easily once again. But this is just bullshit. And he is always doing that. Indirectly talking bullshit about the club. For years and years. It almost feels like he wanted some function but nobody gave him a call.

He said that Inter would be strongest again if they found the attitude and desire to win that was there last season. Because so far this season those are lacking.

He's an Inter legend and probably talks shit because he loves the club and wants them to improve.

 

[CafeCordoba]

He said Inter is not the strongest team in Italy. So you all here suddenly agree with that? After one loss? Seriously?


I was the first who said months ago that people will be massively disappointed if they expect the same season and us to win easily once again. But this is just bullshit. And he is always doing that. Indirectly talking bullshit about the club. For years and years. It almost feels like he wanted some function but nobody gave him a call.

As said, he didn't mean not the strongest per se, but when the attitude is like what we saw in the derby.

No one expected a season like the previous one, because it was close to a once-in-a-lifetime type of season. This season was always about fighting and battling for the Scudetto, because everyone will come after us, the rivals got better and we'll have more focus to CL than in previous season.

 

[bubba zanetti]

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He said Inter is not the strongest team in Italy. So you all here suddenly agree with that? After one loss? Seriously?


I was the first who said months ago that people will be massively disappointed if they expect the same season and us to win easily once again. But this is just bullshit. And he is always doing that. Indirectly talking bullshit about the club. For years and years. It almost feels like he wanted some function but nobody gave him a call.

The way we play this season so far he is definitely right.

 

[SiamoNoi]

He said that Inter would be strongest again if they found the attitude and desire to win that was there last season. Because so far this season those are lacking.

He's an Inter legend and probably talks shit because he loves the club and wants them to improve.

No,he said "they can compete". Unless you have some other quote,I'm talking just about this one in the tweet. I have no idea what was in his mind I'm just talking what he said there and it's literally that we are not the strongest team anymore cause of blabla. What you are talking is what you think he meant. He never said that and that was not the vibe of the comment at all.


There is additional comment that I found:

The former Inter stalwart also pointed out another deficiency in Inzaghi’s squad during his Sky Sport intervention. “They lack players who can beat their man. Either they play a game like the one in Manchester, where they close down and counter-attack, or they struggle to control the match.”

Wtf is he talking about? So either we are counter attacking or we can't control the game?

 

[SiamoNoi]

I will just post this here to not forget later about this cunt:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1839290494012285301

 

[varmin]

Inter received 3 shots with Calha and 16 with Asslani when he replaced him. Even with a yellow you can still guard the defense and spread the passes, experience is needed in year's most important game.

Its very important that Zielinski gets into the spotlight faster, especially when replacing Calha. He can do it 100% it just takes time. Asslani I've lost hope on the kid. You need grinta and physicality here and he lacks it.

Huge mistake by Simone.

This is really silly statement, based only on stats.
We started playing more open, trying to score, and left a lot of space behind. Frattesi was almost a forward.
This statement is same, like that which claimed that Medel is a great passer because he had 90%+ passing rate.

 

[Puma]

Also, watching back Pulisic's goal, he should have been bodychecked or fouled as soon as he started his sprint, even with the risk of a yellow. We looked like total amateurs there, embarrassing.

Exactly my thoughts. They let him run through our lines to score: complete amateur defending. Where was the foul to stop the play? It was a shit way to concede, especially in a Derby.

Oak Tree's failure to renew the squad in the summer is an important factor in where we are today. Bringing in new players was not only needed to provide the team with added depth and the coach with alternative playing options. Reinforcements were also required for new blood brings which brings new hunger to a team that won the Scudetto by 20 points.

Oak Tree took the easy and cheap option and settled for what we had last season believing we could get the job done. The problem with their approach is that it assumed our competitors remained the same or at least that there was still a significant gap between Inter and the teams behind us. The other problem is that it consolidated Inter's predictability. On current form, and knowing the heights we hit last season, this may end up being a very long and disappointing season.

 

[Besnik]

Also, watching back Pulisic's goal, he should have been bodychecked or fouled as soon as he started his sprint, even with the risk of a yellow. We looked like total amateurs there, embarassing.

Our players were caught off guard. Nobody expected him to escape the bridge. Everyone shares the blame on the goal, even Sommer tbh. Lack of communication, nonchalance and so on, so it's a bit of everything. These things happen in football, and I wouldn't make a big deal out of it, but what frustrates me, is our team's attitude in overall. We looked like we didn't want to win. Almost zero effort.

A couple of players looked slighty better, but generally we were very poor. It's quite unfair how people tend to throw individuals under the bus, despite that issue is collective.

 

[PHM1605]

Exactly my thoughts. They let him run through our lines to score: complete amateur defending. Where was the foul to stop the play? It was a shit way to concede, especially in a Derby.

Oak Tree's failure to renew the squad in the summer is an important factor in where we are today. Bringing in new players was not only needed to provide the team with added depth and the coach with alternative playing options. Reinforcements were also required for new blood brings which brings new hunger to a team that won the Scudetto by 20 points.

Oak Tree took the easy and cheap option and settled for what we had last season believing we could get the job done. The problem with their approach is that it assumed our competitors remained the same or at least that there was still a significant gap between Inter and the teams behind us. The other problem is that it consolidated Inter's predictability. On current form, and knowing the heights we hit last season, this may end up being a very long and disappointing season.

What could Oaktree do differently? Had they sold one of our starters ppl would crucify them regardless. There is no Onana or Brozovic anymore to raise cash.

No sale => Either too-young kids or too-old grandpas. Bosmanism like Hermoso is not in scope anymore because, as you know, we have already 142m payroll and significantly highest in Serie A.

 

[DARi0]

I predict 2-1 for Milan

Accurate AF.

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