Inter - Milan (24 Jan 10)

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Ok, don't get carried away ppl :)
We always do this - proclaim being the greatest after one good game. We should stop it before we get a slap on the face. Let's take it one step at a time...
 

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Your right but if were happy LETS PARTY

But if we get past JUGAY then lets Be fantastic
 

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I don't care for being the best in the world this time..
What I care now is that we beat the crap of Meelan...
One thing that can make me happy is to see Meelan drop their place in the league table
 

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Who says Inter are the greatest team in the world ??

Is it so hard to understand joy and enthusiasm ?? This is one of the best victories I have ever seen from Inter.

I allready wrote it on another forum , but this game should be a Lifelesson for all of us.
Never give up , even when everything is going against you - be mature and stay calm and in the end you will be VICTORIOUS.

Never forget this , when you are in a troubled time think of this game. Think how these players overcame the odds. Find strenght and continue on your path , never back down !! I am so proud of my team and this is a victory that will always be carried throughout my Life.


Forza Inter !!
 

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yeah, now we can see the difference between Mourinho and any other coaches we hire...
Even compared to other great coaches out there...
It's a smart move from Moratti to gurantee Mou not to be sacked even if we dont win Cl
 

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Congratulation for all Inter fans, Inter was fighting from the start to the end.
I rarely see inter spirit like this, but I hope it continue forever :) .
 

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As the saying goes: "When its time to party, we will always party hard."

And it is time to party. my friends, atleast until our next Serie A game. Juve game is important but not so much that it reduces our celebrations!

Lets face it, that was the most clutch game of the season for us, as far as Serie A goes, and we came through with flying colors. No point in imagining what could have been, had Milan scored, we were going to overcome all obstacles on Sunday, and it was a joyous occasion. One of the best derbies I have witnessed, for sure!
 

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This Sneijder sending-off has gone a bit over the top here IMO.

I mean that the dissent of that kind Sneijder did, CAN BE punished with a straight sending-off, since referee can take it as an severe insult (Sneijder clapping hands for several seconds added with "Bravo"). Technically that's okay even it isn't done before (maybe it is I don't know, I don't care).

But, considering the match, and how referee had done so far at that point, straight red card was simply way too harsh and didn't reflect the atmosphere inside the match at all. Referee must have discretion in these kind of heated matches and unfortunately for Inter and Wes, Rocchi didn't have it yesterday. Players are charged, maybe over-charged and it's okay like that. Referee then tell players how they can play here and how they cannot, and possibly warn them if something boils over. Sneijder boiled over, so yellow would have been okay.

The point is, Rocchi didn't do something against the rule book, but he wasn't up to the level required from a referee in a match like Derby della Madonnina. The heat, atmosphere and all the details inside the match, it's something referee must know and understand. He started to lost the match right from the start, maybe he felt it even himself. And that's why couldn't handle the dissent of Sneijder, since Wes probably had already yelled something to him after the first episode of theirs. Rocchi couldn't handle the match, simple as that.
Absolutely agreed on this, ref just couldn't handle it and almost ruined the derby with his poor decisions..
 

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Absolutely agreed on this, ref just couldn't handle it and almost ruined the derby with his poor decisions..
So Wittmann, what do you think?

"At the end of the day (after beating Milan :p, WITH 10 men, AND with ref on your side), it's always fun to be a tifoso of your favourite team, eh?" :D:D:D
 

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You kept your word, and stopped by. You're a man of honor.

When you cure from this wound, will be time to tease you a bit ;)
Here I am, so shoot.. :)

I have to admit that you were right about almost everything we talked before the derby while I was more kind of overoptimistic and delusional about Milan's chances..This match made it clear for us Milan fans(even though most of us already know that) that our team just isn't good enough for bigger expectations, specially without some key players, and while we can escape with the win against weaker clubs, we barely stand a chance against stronger and more organized teams like Inter..I don't doubt Milan players were giving everything they could have that night, but the passion, character and will Inter players had, you just have to admire to that, even if you're a rival fan..
 

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I have to admit that you were right about almost everything we talked before the derby while I was more kind of overoptimistic and delusional about Milan's chances..
Glad to hear that :p

Seriously speaking though, I was only talking "theory-wise" before, and theory does not always go hand in hand with practice. It could also go your way, but everything I've said, you see, made perfect sense, and when you watched the derby, and especialy if you watched Bari and Siena games, you obviously had to see a difference between:

a) Inter who conceded 5 goals (out of total of 19 since the league started) in Siena and Bari game, who was very "un-compact" in the midfield, something you rarely see from Mourinhos teams, who are very organised

b) Inter who almost gave nothing away, and even kept possesion and was cruising, and closing down spaces for you very nicely, till Sneijder was sent off

At the same time, all your JuBe goals came from Set Pieces, with JuBe in terrible form, and with Siena who is last in the league.

When there is inferiour team, you play very nice to the eye, mostly because of your technical superiority. You have a lot of space, and when an opposing team concedes a goal, it becomes even worse, because they give you more space to exploit.

Inter is the most organised team in Italy, with the best deffensive organisation, and Siena and Bari games fooled a lot of people, especialy many journalists who predicted you to win. Their mistake was that they didn't think about why Inter conceded 5 goals in 2 games, while in the 17 games prior to that, we lost only 14 goals. This is a big difference, and there must have been a reason.

And one of the most important, if not the most important reason was this:

A) Inter played with 4-2-3-1, keeping the wingers very high up the field, which cause a lot of space in the center part of the pitch which the opposite quick players very easily exploited - example Macarone goal

b) Inter playing with usuall 4-4-2 Rombo, that we used almost constantly when we conceded only 14 goals in 17 games
 

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Glad to hear that :p

Seriously speaking though, I was only talking "theory-wise" before, and theory does not always go hand in hand with practice. It could also go your way, but everything I've said, you see, made perfect sense, and when you watched the derby, and especialy if you watched Bari and Siena games, you obviously had to see a difference between:

a) Inter who conceded 5 goals (out of total of 18 since the league started) in Siena and Bari game, who was very "un-compact" in the midfield, something you rarely see from Mourinhos teams, who are very organised

b) Inter who almost gave nothing away, and even kept possesion and was cruising, and closing down spaces for you very nicely, till Sneijder was sent off

At the same time, all your JuBe goals came from Set Pieces, with JuBe in terrible form, and with Siena who is last in the league.

When there is inferiour team, you play very nice to the eye, mostly because of your technical superiority. You have a lot of space, and when an opposing team concedes a goal, it becomes even worse, because they give you more space to exploit.

Inter is the most organised team in Italy, with the best deffensive organisation, and Siena and Bari games fooled a lot of people, especialy many journalists who predicted you to win. Their mistake was that they didn't think about why Inter conceded 5 goals in 2 games, while in the 17 games prior to that, we lost only 12 goals. This is a big difference, and there must have been a reason.

Mou fooled everyone including many INTER fans to win this game in style???
 

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Mou fooled everyone including many INTER fans to win this game in style???
Where did you read, that I've said that Mou intentionly played crappy in the last two games, to suprise Milan ?

I've never said that.
 

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AND with ref on your side
Ref was generally terrible and although he did much more damage to Inter with that red card, he made a number of calls against Milan as well..I know most of you are under that 'everyone is against Inter' impression that Mourinho just loves to bring up every time he feels like, but in reality things are far from that..

Credit to him though as he outclassed Leonardo this time..Milan changed almost nothing on their tactical plan while Mourinho adjusted and exploited on our weaknesses..Leo will learn from this, I'm sure of it.. :hopeful:
 

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Ref was generally terrible and although he did much more damage to Inter with that red card, he made a number of calls against Milan as well..
I'm not saying he didn't.

Obviously, everybody saw a dive of Maicon that led to the fee kick from which Pandev scored.

Maicon dived also at least once from what I remember. I think it was when Boriello made his slide.

But besides that I don't see any other significant mistakes from the ref, like we saw towards Inter. The red card, the penalty that shouldn't be given, the yellow card for Ronaldinho that should be given and wasn't.

Maicon's hand was unintentional, the ball was 1 meter in front of his head, and Ronaldinho kicked the ball from behind - meaning it was Maicons ball, he didn't know what Ronaldinho could do. If it was Dinho's ball, and he was trying to lob the ball over Maicon, and then Maicon would touch the ball with his hand, it would be a lot harder to explain.

But it was Maicon who had possesion of the ball. Maicon had no time to even think and conciously block the ball. The ball hit his hand, the same as with Lucio.

Take a note I agree there wasn't a pen on Pandev also. To me both decisions were correct.

As for Lucios situation, it looked like a Dive, but it was a strange dive because:

- Lucio took the ball right away and ran back, he wasn't lying on the ground waiting for the ref to give us a free-kick. Lucio when bursting forward is doing everything to keep running. He isn't the "diving" type is my point.

But I can agree that it was hard for the ref to figure that out, so I'm not that mad about that as I am for the other mistakes.
 
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Maicon's head was unintentional, the ball was 1 meter in front of his hand, and Ronaldinho kicked the ball. Maicon had no time to even think and conciously block the ball. The ball hit his hand, the same as with Lucio.
I also think that both incidents were unintentional, but isn't that irrelevant if it could prevent the other team from scoring? Or is it on ref to decide whether the hand was in 'natural' position or not?
 

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Well, this is interesting topic.

Nobody can get into persons head, and know if his hand was intentional or not. If we could, I'm sure we would find cases, where player who was hit from 20 m distance, didn't intentionaly hit the ball with the hand and yet the pen was given, while other who was hit from 5 meter distance, had only one thought in his mind - to prevent the ball passing with his hand - and no penalty.

Usually the distance and the power of the shot is a factor of decision, although it's not universal.

When we're talking about a hit that wasn't a "soft lob", but a kick, and it was fairly close, I don't think we can talk about any intentions here, because simply the player didn't have time to react.

In the Lucio replays for example, it is obvious the only move he could make, was towards the face to prevent the ball hitting him.

The ref pointed at the spot with premeditation, as he clearly saw this situation. Lucio was hit with a strong shot, and from a <2m distance. This pen was simply a joke.

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As for "but isn't that irrelevant if it could prevent the other team from scoring?"

I think the "intentions" are crucial here. Let's look at the two situations:

a) A player of attacking team is crossing the ball from right side of the penalty area towards the center, where there is numerical superiority of his team. The deffensive player of the deffending team knows this, he has time to react, and we clearly see a unnatural movement of his hand to block the ball.

b) A player of offensive team is striking the ball towards the goal from outside of penalty area. The ball is going for the goal - 100%. But there is a deffender of the deffending team, inside the penalty area who is facing the goal, and has no way of knowing what is going on behind him, and where the ball is heading. The ball strikers his hand. Obviously it is a pity for an attacking team, but the the ball as well could hit a deffender in the butt, as he had no idea the ball is coming his way. Penalty ?

You clearly see in those basic example the intentions are crucial to distinguish if the penalty should be awarded, or not.
 
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