Inter's loan debt

n4l

Allenatore
Allenatore
Joined
Jul 22, 2007
Messages
9,743
Likes
10
Favorite Player
Mancini
10 years of FIF
No big team can sell these established players because their salaries are high, we are getting lucky.

I dont know names yet(the ones used below are examples), because we might have some more hats thrown in the window by summer. For example, I would love to get Kolarov if he plays consistantly and in this way we get a new CB in Chivu. (Matrix, Cordoba cant play forever can they?)

I'd use the money to get Hamsik or similar mid to replace Vieira and Muntari(if he goes too). I think we will play 4-3-1-2 and for those 3 DM/CM positions, Cuchu is the only long term favourite to occupy a space. Motta still has to prove a lot, J.Z. well we love him but he is declining, Deki is currently shining, but he is what 32? Krhin hasnt even played enough. So we need atleast 2 good box-to-box players in Mascherano and Hamsik. We also might get a backup trequarterista for Sneijder, not that I'm not counting on Coutinho but there is a chance he will take some time to settle and moreover might be used in the Balo role now.

We are even unsure about our attack, yes Eto'o is good, Milito is a good player, but in 2 years Milito wont be this sharp, Balo is a undefined quantity because of his attitude. Some money might be needed here.

See, what I said above might change as we scout new players that fit in our 4-3-1-2. So in a months time the names above might be useless/crap/bshit. We have to evaluate our options in the summer when we get an actual bid for Maicon.

35mil for a 30 year old is a good deal,period. Yes an RB wont be replaced, but his contribution can be replaced. It would break my heart to see Maicon go. Point is if he has 20% desire to leave us and we get that bid, there is no way I'd reject it.

A crappy example is Sheva left Bbilan for 30mil and even though Bbilan didnt do anything with that money, they sold a player who completely lost his mojo :p all of a sudden when he turned 30. Pato had played half a season then if I'm not mistaken. Atleast they made some money.

I dont want you to agree to it, but its not fair to say that Inter will not do as well if one player leaves, we have proved that this summer.

so you're gonna have samuel or chivu be a permanent sub?
hmm....ok

so let's say we sell maicon and get mascherano and hamsik as you say...
does this improve our chance to WIN NOW?
mascherano has played central DM (cuchu's position), where is he going to play?
hamsik has a lot of talent but is still young and has not played at a big team e.t.c.

who is going to start?
what is your starting formation?

while football is a constant moving sport and you have to consistently be thinking about the future, at some point, you HAVE TO put a team together that can win now...






again, i don't agree with your last statement...
i asked you before....

how many class strikers are there?
there are many.....MANY

how many class RBs are there?
there are not many at all....
alves is as good as it gets compared to maicon and he is still not near as good imo......
and guess how much alves cost barca?

and don't throw names like ramos and boswinga....they are rubbish...average at best
 

Suneet

La Grande Inter
La Grande Inter
Joined
Sep 13, 2006
Messages
16,285
Likes
8
Favorite Player
# 3
Forum Supporter
N4L I dont think you got my point. Some players are irreplaceable and no two players are equal. What you want is an exact replacement for the player we are selling. Well, thats not possible in a real world. Did we replace Ibra, even though there were several class forwards out there according to you?

No. We got a different striker in Eto'o, but we got an AM, so the impact on the field and the ability of the team remained same and maybe even better, time will tell.

Similarly, we can get someone better in midfield and/or defence who's impact will equal or better Maicon's. They may not be exactly the same, but might have 1-2 qualities of Maicon each.(For eg. Santon can do Maicon's defensive duty and maybe a CM can contribute more in the opponents half? Instead of J.Z.? Not exactly bombarding the wings, but advancing forward with the ball and making passes for Sneijder, Eto'o and Co?)

I also said, the names I'm using are examples, I could have used Modric, Hernanes, soooo many other names, so please dont quote that. I ended that with things will/might change by summer. Some players might become available and not available, we ned to evaluate it at THAT moment. Inter is not just Maicon, even though Maicon is a huge part of it.

Do you honestly believe Lucio-Samuel is all we need in central defence for a season? Do you think they will play amazingly well for 3-4 years in a row? Which pairing at Inter has lasted that long in the recent past? I dont trust Matrix to play on after the end of next season. Cordoba has been backup and his role will reduce every season on. Burdisso is half gone already.

I think I've explained my point very well now.
 

Lombardiamia

Primavera
Primavera
Joined
Jun 5, 2007
Messages
135
Likes
0
Favorite Player
Walter Samuel
I agree with Suneet here. There is no player in the world who can offer the same contribute as Maicon does as a RB. Any replacement would be inferior to him. But, we have to get cash, have Santon play regularly in his favourite position and buy 2 younger players were we need them most. We need to add quality in midfield and options in attack. Our current starting midfield line up is good (Cambiasso, Motta, Stankovic & Sneijder) but we all know that Motta is injury prone and that no one of these will play good for a whole season. They need to be rested occasionally and we need to be sure that when resting these players, the subs are up to their standards.
How many of you are regretting the fact that we dont have adequate cover for Milito or Eto'o. This could have cost us our current CL campaign. Had we had another good striker up there, yesterday's game could have been totally different. Same goes in defence. What will happen if Samuel gets injured? Lucio-Cordoba would be a BIG risk.
We need young players with more quality and if Maicon needs to be sacrificed, than so be it. In 2 years time, we might regret that we didnt take such a chance,
 

Suneet

La Grande Inter
La Grande Inter
Joined
Sep 13, 2006
Messages
16,285
Likes
8
Favorite Player
# 3
Forum Supporter
Lomba, selling Maicon this gone summer would have been a mistake, because it would have meant more changes in the team which would have ruined us anyways... but next summer for an offer of 30mil plus, it would be a great deal.
 

Lombardiamia

Primavera
Primavera
Joined
Jun 5, 2007
Messages
135
Likes
0
Favorite Player
Walter Samuel
I never said we should have sold him last summer. Next summer, if we get the same offer, he should be sold.
 

Suneet

La Grande Inter
La Grande Inter
Joined
Sep 13, 2006
Messages
16,285
Likes
8
Favorite Player
# 3
Forum Supporter
My bad then....
 

CafeCordoba

Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Mar 7, 2004
Messages
35,857
Likes
15,707
Favorite Player
Toro, Barella
10 years of FIF

Lombardiamia

Primavera
Primavera
Joined
Jun 5, 2007
Messages
135
Likes
0
Favorite Player
Walter Samuel
That 70m€ is the amount that Moratti will once again have to get out of his pockets to balance our 2008-2009 balance sheet. Some might say that since we had a 0 turnover this year, how come Moratti has to splash out 70M to balance it out. Fact is these things work with a year delay. To be more practical, Ibra's sale will be put into balance when the same thing happens next year.

Also, seems like our total wage amounts have risen from 178M euros per year to 199M euros..
 

CafeCordoba

Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Mar 7, 2004
Messages
35,857
Likes
15,707
Favorite Player
Toro, Barella
10 years of FIF
Okay, thanks. And of course Zlatan money can't be put into this years balance because surely Barca won't pay that amount of cash as one big payment.

Where's that wage amount coming from? That's huge huge shit.
 

Lombardiamia

Primavera
Primavera
Joined
Jun 5, 2007
Messages
135
Likes
0
Favorite Player
Walter Samuel
Taxes in Italy is at 50%, so if Vieira is netting 4.5M per year, that means its 9M per year for Inter..
 

Michael

La Grande Inter
La Grande Inter
Joined
Apr 19, 2009
Messages
13,061
Likes
141
Favorite Player
Ronaldo
Forum Supporter
FIF Special Ones
10 years of FIF
"All the future contracts and renewals will based on each objective." We start with Julio Cesar.

Milan - Inter president, Massimo Moratti, at the end of the assembly, shook hands one by one to the minor shareholders who have submitted to Sao Paulo and talking with many more important people as well as sponsors, Marco Tronchetti Provera. He then sits down with us to go details.

President, Inter continue to grow in turnover: 232.6 million in 08-09 against 203.4 in the year before that. Does this depend on winning?
"Not only that, the value of sponsorship has increased from 31.7 to 38.5 million. TV rights from 95 to 99. UEFA from 23.6 to 28.2. And we are stabled with the valuable contribution by the fans at the San Siro. Not many companies in Italy that ensure a high turnover and it is constantly increasing."

But what about the loss, it is equally important: 154.4 million. And the year before was 148.
I already discussed it with the shareholders. And then we capitalized 70 million today. But next year the situation will improve. Also the revenue will be affected by the transfer of Ibrahimovic to Barcelona: 69.5 million."

232.6 million on revenue that Inter made, 199.9 million were destined to the players and the coaching staff.
That is the point that we will work on. I've told the shareholders to maintain Inter at the highest competitive level in Italy and abroad, and to protect the wealth of production value, but the costs of production will suffer a decrease due to the reduction of costs affiliated staff, management and operation."

20738264.jpg


How will you intervene?
"We want a revolution at Inter. First we must reorganize. Then we must do something on the costs of the players and the technicians. We chose that henceforth all contracts both new as well as those that will be renewed, will be structurally very different. There will be a party with a guaranteed minimum level for the extraordinary quality of the players that we have on the field and on the bench. But considerably at a lower level than current contracts. And there will be substantial premiums already defined as the trophies that I hope we will win. In this way we will improve Inter and offer new incentives to its members."

In line with what Mourinho said on the youth...
Inter are a group of 15 administrators, 169 players, technicians, superiors, office staff and workers. We are one.

So it's not a coincidence that its managing director, Ernesto Paolillo, has been appointed to the board of the league as the head of Committee for fair play and financial improvement in football.
Exactly. Inter and its system and we always focus on the development of football. With the collaboration of the engineers, footballers, the government, parliaments, regions and the community. AND the fans. At the end, everything resolves around them. And for them.

So contracts will depend on winning trophies? I guess so...
 

CafeCordoba

Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Mar 7, 2004
Messages
35,857
Likes
15,707
Favorite Player
Toro, Barella
10 years of FIF
Sounds very reasonable. Hopefully they can really do that and that way restrict a bit those ridiculous contracts. Though it's possible it will become harder to persuade top players to come to Inter, but that's the price you have to pay.
 

Suneet

La Grande Inter
La Grande Inter
Joined
Sep 13, 2006
Messages
16,285
Likes
8
Favorite Player
# 3
Forum Supporter
Well, its a start, but I doubt we can stick to it. Playing well in CL will significantly reduce our losses and I believe we need to get younger cheaper players who wont demand 10mil contracts..
 

CafeCordoba

Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Mar 7, 2004
Messages
35,857
Likes
15,707
Favorite Player
Toro, Barella
10 years of FIF
Well, its a start, but I doubt we can stick to it. Playing well in CL will significantly reduce our losses and I believe we need to get younger cheaper players who wont demand 10mil contracts..

Bolded part is the problem. We have hard time getting wins even if the group stage (victory bonuses), let alone after that if we manage to go that far. Getting to a next phase ensures a nice bonus (it increases phase after phase).

I agree that I doubt we can stick to that plan too well. I remember the salary cap plan ~5 years ago, and nothing came out of it (Moratti or someone spoke about it). In these days, I see it very hard to negotiate such contracts where incentives have a serious part in the whole salary. And current contracts of course can't be changed to that new mould, so that generates friction in other players' contract negotiations ("we can't accept such offer as these other important players have this and this kind of contract").

Hopefully they can still manage to do it at some extent.
 

Suneet

La Grande Inter
La Grande Inter
Joined
Sep 13, 2006
Messages
16,285
Likes
8
Favorite Player
# 3
Forum Supporter
Well it wont remain the same forever, it will change, sad part is what has been said will only be seen in effect in 4-5 years time.
 

Trance

Primavera
Primavera
Joined
Jan 30, 2008
Messages
287
Likes
3
Since this was started off with info out of FM, this is the info they give out for Inter in their 2010 edition. It's all kind of numbers when it comes to the debt we have 70 Mil, 170 mil, 350 mil. God knows what our actual debt is. Anyways also note the Chairman status which says "Will listen to offers". 3-4 months into my 1st season some rich french guy (Taher or smth like that) comes along and buys Inter from Moratti...which I find it to be BULLSHIT. Moratti would rather give a kidney for free than sell Inter. I'm truly disappointed by the team collecting data for this game, bunch of amateurs.

sorry for the partly off-topic part of my post, had to let it out :)

thumbnails.php
 

Suneet

La Grande Inter
La Grande Inter
Joined
Sep 13, 2006
Messages
16,285
Likes
8
Favorite Player
# 3
Forum Supporter
I'm 2 weeks old and loan debt is 502m dollars and a tycoon wants to buy us.
 

Handoyo

Administrator
Administrator
Joined
Mar 4, 2004
Messages
25,084
Likes
50
Forum Supporter
10 years of FIF
Most Important Member
"Will listen to offers"

HAH! :yuck:
 

Lombardiamia

Primavera
Primavera
Joined
Jun 5, 2007
Messages
135
Likes
0
Favorite Player
Walter Samuel
Lolll I cant see that happening. Moratti would probably hand over his toy only to his son, who is already an admin and obviously a shareholder at the club.
 
Top