Ishak Belfodil

[Bluenine]

Yes, but thats completely beyond the point.

The peoples judgement in question here are Branca and Co, not FIF members. Most people here know jack shit (including me) and just talk out of their asses, so its only natural for us to make mistakes.

Branca and Co, however, are paid millions of € each year to spot talents and make good transfers, yet since the treble the only great they have made is Handanovic. Thats not a great record, so its completely valid to question their capabilities.

I hate defending Branca, but to be fair, the fault is not entirely his. He did sign some great players before the treble, when we had money and stability. Since the treble, we are on our 7th coach, and have had smaller budgets. The frequent change of coach is relevant, coz a new coach always needs a lot of new players to covert the squad to suit his style/tactics. But our transfer budgets have been tight. So Branca and co had to buy many players for 40-50m, instead of focusing on 2-3 quality players each summer.

If Inter had the same coach for the last 3 years, Branca & co could have focused the budget on quality rather than quantity. Then the responsibility of the success of the purchases would lie on his shoulders (and that of the coach). Right now, its a fucking moving target every 6 months. Many players bought earlier, become useless to the new coach. That reduces the success rate. Also, like I said, the budget gets spread over many players instead of a few. That reduces the quality.

Not saying that Branca is not to be blamed, but the blame just does not lie squarely on his shoulders. The best transfer guru's would struggle in such a chaotic environment where the direction & strategy changes every window.

 

[Ojap]

Not saying that Branca is not to be blamed, but the blame just does not lie squarely on his shoulders. The best transfer guru's would struggle in such a chaotic environment where the direction & strategy changes every window.

Branca has plenty of the blame for this as well. He is the sporting director, his influence goes way beyond that of just making transfer. Also, the chaotic environment is a direct function of his inability in the market to create a proper team.

He is probably the most important and influencial man at the club sportingwise, apart from Moratti. Why Branca, despite leading the club into this historic failure (from treble winners to 9th place, no other team in history has been been that bad since winning such a history feat.) isnt sacked, is beyond me. Its quite the conundrum how such a trigger happy president as Moratti hasnt pointed his gun at Branca yet.

He is not solely to blame, no, but certainly most of the blame is his.

 

[Bluenine]

Branca has plenty of the blame for this as well. He is the sporting director, his influence goes way beyond that of just making transfer. Also, the chaotic environment is a direct function of his inability in the market to create a proper team.

He is probably the most important and influencial man at the club sportingwise, apart from Moratti. Why Branca, despite leading the club into this historic failure (from treble winners to 9th place, no other team in history has been been that bad since winning such a history feat.) isnt sacked, is beyond me. Its quite the conundrum how such a trigger happy president as Moratti hasnt pointed his gun at Branca yet.

He is not solely to blame, no, but certainly most of the blame is his.

No, my friend, I disagree. The most of the blame is unfortunately Moratti's. He is the one who sets the direction for the club, the fact that our direction is a moving target is entirely his fault. There may be other to blame for either not making the best of this chaotic environment, or adding to the chaos. But the buck stops at Moratti - the organisation usually takes the identity of the top boss, unfortunately for Inter, the leader's trigger-happiness, uncertainty and insecurity is percolating down to his directors and coaching staff.

IMO THAT is the crux of the problem.

 

[Ojap]

I dont know why you think its Moratti who sets the direction of the club.

Moratti listens to his advisors and directors and calls judgement based on that. Sure ultimately its his decision, but these decisions are based on other peoples advice on most cases. Moratti is a business man, he knows very little about football and i doubt he makes any decisions without first being consulted and adviced by his key people and this is where Branca obviously has played a major role since the treble.

Inter is not some minor operation that Moratti can run on his own, even if he was qualified for it. Moratti's role at Inter is far more limited than many people here think. He is really just the last line of saying "yes/no" to every proposal and the face of the club to the public, every decision made is the result of thorough planning and listening to the directors and advisors, just like any other major orginization.

It seems like some people here think that Moratti is some dictator who makes every decision and Branca is just puppet who just does what Moratti tell him. The directors and advisors are the people who are supposed to have the brains in the organization, these are the people moratti trusts and makes the final call based on what he is told by these people.

In reality its really Moratti who is the puppet.

 

[Bluenine]

I dont know why you think its Moratti who sets the direction of the club.

Moratti listens to his advisors and directors and calls judgement based on that. Sure ultimately its his decision, but these decisions are based on other peoples advice on most cases. Moratti is a business man, he knows very little about football and i doubt he makes any decisions without first being consulted and adviced by his key people and this is where Branca obviously has played a major role since the treble.

Inter is not some minor operation that Moratti can run on his own, even if he was qualified for it. Moratti's role at Inter is far more limited than many people here think. He is really just the last line of saying "yes/no" to every proposal and the face of the club to the public, every decision made is the result of thorough planning and listening to the directors and advisors, just like any other major orginization.

It seems like some people here think that Moratti is some dictator who makes every decision and Branca is just puppet who just does what Moratti tell him. The directors and advisors are the people who are supposed to have the brains in the organization, these are the people moratti trusts and makes the final call based on what he is told by these people.

In reality its really Moratti who is the puppet.

So Moratti chooses his advisors, then he chooses which of their advice he should listen to, then he makes his decision. Surely, you see why I think he is to blame primarily here?

No one is giving his "advisors" a clean chit here, but even if Moratti has become their "puppet", it is still mainly his fault.

I guess we should just agree to disagree on this.

 

[JJM]

"Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him"?

In this case MM is trusting/following the fools(Branca,Fassone...mgmt) thus making him the bigger fool

 

[crzdcolombian]

"Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him"?

In this case MM is trusting/following the fools(Branca,Fassone...mgmt) thus making him the bigger fool

Moratti seems very much a family man and friend and not enough a business owner. Him keeping the oldies from 2010 for as long as he has proves it. I am sure they are the reason more than 1 coach has gotten the ax and a big reason why we are in so much debt. He is friends with them. He probably sees some of them as his children or nephews and you can't hurt family. I just don't think he is a good owner with this type of mentality. I mean he is the other extreme of the Chelsea coach who fires a guy after winning champions league with the 4th-5th rated EPL team haha or fires Mourinho who put his shit club on the map for no fing reason. We need someone in the middle No way a 2nd/3rd string player should be making double-triple what a starter makes. When a player stops preforming you sell him or loan him. Look at Milan and Juve they got rid of tons of their legends who didn't want to retire. We keep them in insane salaries and don't even require them to play 2 games in 1 season ( stank cough). I want someone in the middle who knows this is a business and doesn't take shit so personal but lets coaches do their jobs. Unlike both of these 2. How many coaches have we had since Mancini left or they had since Mourniho left? Similar amount I believe

 

[Guney]

Why not give Parma the other 50% of Mariga and Cassano on loan and the fucktard who calls himself Silvestre?:work:

 

[Hasan]

I know that Belfodil will not have big salarie and I know we don't wana use contract ssituations in other clubs to bring free transfer players but still :

Pirlo + Barzagli + Pogba + Llorente + Tevez + Vidal = 21.8 mil.

 

[Pajo]

I know that Belfodil will not have big salarie and I know we don't wana use contract ssituations in other clubs to bring free transfer players but still :

Pirlo + Barzagli + Pogba + Llorente + Tevez + Vidal = 21.8 mil.

Vidal was 11, tevez 12, Barzagli little less than 1.

And yeah, none considers the wages Llorente's wage is also 5 + bonuses that can reach 7. HUGE money.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Yeah. Transfer fees could mean very little when it comes to better players. Even more so when there is no fee.

The investments are still HUGE, like I explained in forwards thread about Tevez (at least 42m€ investment over three years).

 

[figer]

Pirlo + Barzagli + Pogba + Llorente + Tevez + Vidal = 21.8 mil.

Melo + Diego + Amauri = 76 mln. :troll:

 

[Sassuolu]

Well Cambiasso and Cesar practically came for free and also Maicon cost 5 million so yeah in some transfers you do get great value for money.

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Vidal was 11, tevez 12, Barzagli little less than 1.

And yeah, none considers the wages Llorente's wage is also 5 + bonuses that can reach 7. HUGE money.

But remember Llorente is signing on a free transfer.

 

[Minardista]

So, I just read the opinions of the Parma fans in this deal. They are laughing their way to the bank atm

They just sound like they are in total disbelief they're getting this deal. In the words of one guy;

ahahahah ,ecco cosa dicono i tifosi interisti : Perché non diamo al Parma pure Handanovic, Kovacic e Guarin ?

"Why don't we give Handanovic, Kovacic and Guarin to Parma as well?"

If we were talking about an undeniably amazing talent here, the current swap + cash deal seems justifiable. But are there really any indications Belfodil can become the next Cavani?

 

[homaru]

So, I just read the opinions of the Parma fans in this deal. They are laughing their way to the bank atm

They just sound like they are in total disbelief they're getting this deal. In the words of one guy;


"Why don't we give Handanovic, Kovacic and Guarin to Parma as well?"

If we were talking about an undeniably amazing talent here, the current swap + cash deal seems justifiable. But are there really any indications Belfodil can become the next Cavani?

Why does the management agree to such stupid deals? Just give Parma 12 million for all of Belfodil and be done with it!

 

[nyer]

Hey.. new here lol. But I just wanted to offer a possible reason for why its a 50% deal and why Cassano and Silvestre are out on loan. So basically.. this might be a bit cynical and may not make sense. But let's assume Algeria qualify for the world cup *they are very close to doing so, only 2 games away theoretically*

Parma want players and want to see Belfodil elsewhere because they realize he wants to go to a bigger club. Inter and Mazzari are keen on him but... there is still that gamble that he might not be up to snuff. So.. make it a 50% deal.. now assume that he actually does start banging in goals every weekend. His stock goes up. Parma want to see a little more money so of course they'll keep the 50% deal.

Finally.. if he does perform well.. and then goes to the world cup and scores in the world cup, having a semi-decent display with an Algerian team that looks decent themselves. His stock just gets way higher. So basically.. the off chance that he hits 17+ goals this season and he performs in a WC assuming Algeria qualifies. If big clubs come knocking... and offer a bigger price tag or just in general down the line his stock goes up. Both clubs get a considerable amount of profit and if Belfodil leaves Inter will get Cassano back.

But this is all very far fetched.. and far too many calculations that I doubt they'd think over.

Regardless, I don't understand why there is such disdain for the kid.. he really won't perform well knowing people don't want him at the club..

 

[Ojap]

Cassano wont come back, he is out of contract with Inter next summer.

 

[homaru]

Cassano wont come back, he is out of contract with Inter next summer.

If he takes a paycut, he could play for a midtable Serie A side. If not. he can go to China or the MLS.

 

[.h.]

the latest rumour is that we will swap bonazzoli (half) in this deal too

i need that suicide thread please. that would be a fucking disaster.

 

[Solfice]

the latest rumour is that we will swap bonazzoli (half) in this deal too

i need that suicide thread please. that would be a fucking disaster.

http://forzainterforums.com/showthread.php?10681-Suicide-Hotline