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prosecutors trying to go for the balls with Juve.

Honestly, I know we've not done a lot of Arthur/Pjanic/etc style deals recently, but there's no way some of our plusvalenza would be acceptable. Bastoni's transfer is no different to Rovella, as far as I can observe, except that the elements took part in different windows?

I think they are investigating transfers from 2019 to 2021. Yep, there were few strange transactions related to Inter in the past like Pinamonti, Vanheusden or Bastoni but we can't compare it to Juve's. They made 42 shady transactions in just last two years.
 

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honestly, just dont count your chickens in this case yet :)
 

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prosecutors trying to go for the balls with Juve.

Honestly, I know we've not done a lot of Arthur/Pjanic/etc style deals recently, but there's no way some of our plusvalenza would be acceptable. Bastoni's transfer is no different to Rovella, as far as I can observe, except that the elements took part in different windows?
Bastoni and Rovella cases are actually different. Inter initially bought Bastoni for 8m plus bonuses cash. Then the sum was increased to 30m when Atalanta bought our youngsters for plusvalenza purposes. On the other hand, there was no cash involved in Rovella deal. Juve bought Rovella for 18m while they sent two youngsters to Genoa valued at 18m.
 

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I expect something like this:

1-Inter
2-Atalanta
3-RuBentus
4-Napoli / Milan
 

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I cant see anything come out of this, maybe except for Juve since they’re a listed company. As far as I understand none of the clubs was breaking any Lega Serie A’s law or guideline. SA doesnt have its own version of FFP, so there’s no grounds for punishment.

Apparently, they also wire tapped some guys from Juve to get the evidences. Which is funny since the one thing Juve are good at is covering their asses. Paratici could be the hero we deserve after all :lol:
 

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Bastoni and Rovella cases are actually different. Inter initially bought Bastoni for 8m plus bonuses cash. Then the sum was increased to 30m when Atalanta bought our youngsters for plusvalenza purposes. On the other hand, there was no cash involved in Rovella deal. Juve bought Rovella for 18m while they sent two youngsters to Genoa valued at 18m.
I thought for some reason they were unrelated transfers e.g. two cash transactions at a similar time, rather than an explicit swap but looks like I might have been wrong
 

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I thought for some reason they were unrelated transfers e.g. two cash transactions at a similar time, rather than an explicit swap but looks like I might have been wrong
This was the announcement of Juventus at the time.

AGREEMENTS WITH GENOA C.F.C.

Turin, 29 January 2021 - Juventus Football Club S.p.A. announces that the following agreements have been finalized with Genoa Cricket and Football Club:

  • definitive acquisition of the registration rights of the player Nicolò Rovella for a consideration of € 18 million payable in three financial years; this consideration might be increased up to a maximum of € 20 million upon achievement of further performance objectives over the duration of the employment contract with the player. The contract also envisages the temporary disposal to Genoa of the registration rights of the player until 30 June 2022. Juventus and the player have signed a 4-year contract of employment until 30 June 2024;
  • definitive disposal of the registration rights of the player Manolo Portanova for a consideration of € 10 million to payable in three financial years, this consideration might be increased up to a maximum of € 5 million upon achievement of further performance objectives over the duration of the employment contract with the player. The economic effect of this transaction is positive for about € 9.6 million;
  • definitive disposal of the registration rights of the player Elia Petrelli for a consideration of € 8 million to payable in three financial years, this consideration might be increased up to a maximum of € 5.3 million upon achievement of further performance objectives over the duration of the employment contract with the player. The economic effect of this transaction is positive for about € 7.6 million.
 

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The thing is many clubs, including Inter have done same type of deals. Whether there are cash involved or not is not meaningful but the valuation of the players involved.

I don't think anything drastic will come out of this because I doubt that stuff holds too well in court. How can the prosecutor or the judge decide what are the player valuations? There can be ballparks of course, but how's that kind of argument hold in court?

We've done our Pinamonti, Vanheusden, Bastoni, Odegaard etc deals.
 

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We bought back pinamonti and vanhuesden so that's very different IMO.

In the majority of juves transfers, no money actually changed hands as well, so their plusvalenza was extra suspicious. In transfers over 90m euro only just over 3m euro actually changed hands.
 

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Btw don't get me wrong. We have made many fishy deals during the time of plusvalenza madness. It's just Juventus deals are on another level as they're mostly swap deals. They always were too obvious.
 

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The crux of the matter is whether they can prove the valuations were manipulated on purpose. Only way that can be done is if there is some hard evidence of foul play in the wiretaps.
 

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Rube can vanish from the earth for all I care. I only wish IF rube is somehow punished with point deduction or relegation, it would be at next season after we beat them purely on the pitch without any administrative intervention. We have enough being sneered of paper champion after calciopoli. And for once I want to see allergi and agnelli being helpless chasing us despite of all shady wrongdoings they have done.
 

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The Italian association for the protection of consumer rights, CODACONS, claims Juventus ‘could be relegated to Serie B and stripped of their latest Scudetto’ due to the capital gains case.
CODACONS is linked to CONI, the Italian Olympic Association, and its President Marco Donzelli spoke about the investigation into Juventus’ capital gains business.



revoke scudetto again? wow.. for this capital gains case I don't agree with scudetto revoke. just ban their transfer for 5 years :D
 

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The Italian association for the protection of consumer rights, CODACONS, claims Juventus ‘could be relegated to Serie B and stripped of their latest Scudetto’ due to the capital gains case.
CODACONS is linked to CONI, the Italian Olympic Association, and its President Marco Donzelli spoke about the investigation into Juventus’ capital gains business.


At least Juventus suits serie b. After all, they are no strangers there!
 

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President Codacons, Marco Donzelli, said that, in the event of confirmation of the accusations, there are very severe penalties for Juve. These are his words:
"The accusatory system is very serious and throws a sinister light on the latest football championships also because, as we know, there has been a real dominance of Juventus in recent years, which ended last year if Juventus should it have illegally taken advantage of rival clubs with operations of this type, then the regularity of the last football championships would fail and, as a consequence, the Federation and the Market Competition Authority will have to intervene and sanction those responsible. Beyond individual responsibilities, the club will not be exempt from punishment. For this and for the protection of thousands of fans, we will present a complaint to the Antitrust and the Federal Prosecutor's Office asking for the relegation of the Juventus club to Serie B and the revocation of the last league titles won with the shadow of these potentially illegal operations ".
 
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We bought back pinamonti and vanhuesden so that's very different IMO.

In the majority of juves transfers, no money actually changed hands as well, so their plusvalenza was extra suspicious. In transfers over 90m euro only just over 3m euro actually changed hands.
I'm pretty fucking certain Genoa didn't pay us 19m€ for Pinamonti in cash. :D
 

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Rube can vanish from the earth for all I care. I only wish IF rube is somehow punished with point deduction or relegation, it would be at next season after we beat them purely on the pitch without any administrative intervention. We have enough being sneered of paper champion after calciopoli. And for once I want to see allergi and agnelli being helpless chasing us despite of all shady wrongdoings they have done.
Definitely this.

But I am 100% certain there won't be any point deductions, let alone demotions.
 
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