Italian Serie A 2024/2025

[_Ivan_]

I agree with a lot of the second para but tbh, he's probably the best coach we can get ATM and it's fine, I think we just overrate both him, and our squad.

We can overrate us (coach+squad) or we can overrate league's quality. But what if we are not

If you just look last 2 seasons Serie A gave UCL finalist, Italian quarters and semifinale in 2022
In 2023 we had EL Italian quarters, 2 teams in semifinale and the winner who btw beat Liverpool and German league unbeaten winners.
Also to note is Fiorentina's success in Conference league.

Last season Serie A scored the best coefficient ahead of England and Spain, now it sits 2nd

So, objectively speaking the league is quite good and competent, and it's easily in 3rd place by quality, just behind Premiership and La Liga.

Now about Inter ::

We were one of the most dominant teams last year in the whole Europe, we had +67 goal difference in the league which was the best in top 5 leagues and the best Serie A's gf since 1950.

This year so far we scored 51 goals which is again very high (only Barca and Bayern scored more than us).
Our goal difference is +33 right now (let me see where others sit) and we play with well established squad.

It sucks we didn't lift the UCL trophy even when we deserved it, and sucks that we somehow failed to beat Atletico home by 2-3 goals, which cost us that bitter defeat on penalties. It is what it is.

We are easily in top 10 in the world right now, if you ask me we are in top 5 as well (Liverpool, Barca, Real, City could be better than us only).
When we are in the mood we can trash any side in Serie A, we can battle the most expensive and most feared teams in Europe which we proved. There's no reason for pessimism. Let's pray injuries stay away from us and we can battle in all fronts we have until the very end.

 

[pupivn]

Atalanta last four league games : 1-1 Lazio, 0-0 Udinese, 1-1 Juventus, 2-3 Napoli, Gasperini always loses the plot when it matters

 

[Glass box]

Jury is still out on Inzaghi for me. I enjoy his football and he’s really put me onto the back three ideology. However if he succumbs to Napoli this year he’d have went 1-4 in Serie a campaigns here. That’s pretty inexcusable for the squads we’ve had.

2021-22 was brutal. That was the worst serie a I’ve seen in my lifetime and Milan were absolute shit. Blowing that title I’ll probably never forgive him for. The next year he was again shit in the league but saved himself with the UCL run. Don’t care much about that year because Napoli were a machine. Good marks for last year obviously and we’ll see on this year.

I agree with you that 1/4 serie a titles really looks bad on surface (let's say we don't win serie a this season).

However let's put emotions aside over past lost titles. We don't have budget to spend on transfers. We sold Lukaku, Hakimi, Brozovic, lost Skriniar on a Bosman etc. ever since Inzaghi is here and none of it his fault.

If we were to sack him, who's gonna come to coach Inter when the club operates like this? Certainly not some top coach. It'll have to be a risk, someone like Italiano, Palladino, maybe turn to ex legends like Stankovic etc. We'll probably have to change the way we play which demands a squad overhaul, which can't be done without serious spending and we can't spend.

I don't see a realistic replacement for Simone.

In the meantime we compete for every trophy (except probably the CL which remains to be seen) and we play very good football. We have a coach that can consistently play watchable football and we can beat some good European teams.

He's won us 6 trophies. Before the Scudetto in 2021 we had 0 trophies in 10 years. Right now some fans can say 1 Scudetto and those 5 cups aren't enough because we're good and have standards. If someone told me we'd win 6 trophies and reach a CL final with Simone when he arrived I'd call them crazy. Go check the poll in his thread, the majority of us didn't believe he'd ever win a Scudetto here.

If we had money to spend we'd be a fearsome team not only in Italy but in the CL as well.

This way, without money to spend, we're still very strong, competitive, and watchable, and we do win trophies, even if not the most desired ones most of the time.

Still alive in three competitions this season, let's first see what happens.

 

[rockball]

As important as trophies are, it's not always everything. Inzaghi has managed consistently good football on no budget.

If it's about trophies, then Klopp at Liverpool is also a failure with 1 league title in 7 years. Never mind the fact that he hit 90+ points twice without winning the league.

 

[Nothing]

As important as trophies are, it's not always everything. Inzaghi has managed consistently good football on no budget.

If it's about trophies, then Klopp at Liverpool is also a failure with 1 league title in 7 years. Never mind the fact that he hit 90+ points twice without winning the league.

He provides good football but only when we're facing mid teams. He plays terrorist football when we're playing against good teams or when our rooster gets yellow carded. Once he gets panicked he made stupid decisions like nonsense substitution.

Premier league is or was more competitive than Serie A. He had to compete with unlimited resources Man City and the likes of Arsenal, Tottenham and Chelsea were competitive.

Meanwhile Inzaghi always had the strongest XI in the league. Don't get me wrong, i don't want him to go. I just want him to improve and not to get panicked easily.

 

[brehme1989]

If it's about trophies, then Klopp at Liverpool is also a failure with 1 league title in 7 years. Never mind the fact that he hit 90+ points twice without winning the league.

As someone said, out is out

 

[rockball]

He provides good football but only when we're facing mid teams. He plays terrorist football when we're playing against good teams or when our rooster gets yellow carded. Once he gets panicked he made stupid decisions like nonsense substitution.

Premier league is or was more competitive than Serie A. He had to compete with unlimited resources Man City and the likes of Arsenal, Tottenham and Chelsea were competitive.

Meanwhile Inzaghi always had the strongest XI in the league. Don't get me wrong, i don't want him to go. I just want him to improve and not to get panicked easily.

Klopp's competition with unlimited resources team is not as bad as Inzaghi's has been. Juve and Milan, even others in Italy have spent more than Inter.

Except for a few games in CL this season, Inzaghi has never played "terrorist" football. You can argue about winner mentality. But the fact is that the only team that we haven't consistently and convincingly beaten in Italy has been Juve, and this was true under Conte also. Inzaghi has thrashed all others, while playing the opposite of "terrorist" football. And till last season, he has played similarly against City or Atletico or Liverpool.

He has his issues, with respect to yellow cards or others, but the overall criticism of him is not justified.

 

[Glass box]

Premier league is or was more competitive than Serie A. He had to compete with unlimited resources Man City and the likes of Arsenal, Tottenham and Chelsea were competitive.

Liverpool spend a lot of money too. This notion that they're some poor club that competes among rich clubs is false but I see it everywhere for some reason.

 

[Il Drago]

Liverpool spend a lot of money too. This notion that they're some poor club that competes among rich clubs is false but I see it everywhere for some reason.

In Klopp first years at Liverpool they counted mostly on sales. They started spending money once they had returned to CL as they had much higher revenues.

Liverpool net spent since Klopp joined (minus means income was bigger than expenditure to avoid any confusion):

2016/17: -9m
2017/18: -10m
2018/19: 140m
2019/20: -37m
2020/21: 67m
2021/22: 61m
2022/23: 65m
2023/24: 111m

In isolation, it looks pretty good. But when you compare it with the net spent of City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd in the same period of time it's underwhelming.

How do the big six's net spends compare since Klopp joined Liverpool?

Jurgen Klopp's time at Liverpool is ticking down as he prepares to end nine years at Anfield. Despite a disappointing end to his reign, the German can still be pretty proud of what he's achieved.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Kramerica Industries]

Just got done catching up on the last few games, and this is about the first time this season where I'm now legitimately grade-A worried about Napoli. They've already gotten most of their difficult away games out of the way. Inter (2), Atalanta (3), Fiorentina (5), Juventus/Milan, and they got wins or draws from all those games. Lazio, Bologna, and Roma, their only remaining away top-10 opponents.

Atalanta went to their stadium two months ago and smoked them, a draw was the least I was hoping for. Watching Scalvini slip and give Lukaku the easiest header of his life (which this time he didn't fuck up) was disheartening. I've said several times that we're doing our part. 89 point pace, it's hard to gripe too much about that. 89 points would win you the league way more often than not. But as has been noted in here, between having Conte as manager, having several players still around from the '23 Scudetto team, and only playing a 40 game schedule (two Coppa games) while we're playing a minimum of 52 and quite likely more...remember that we really hit our stride under Conte in the '21 Scudetto season after being eliminated from Europe entirely and only having a domestic schedule from January-May. That's Napoli's season this year.

When I looked at their schedule, it was the stretch beginning with MD19 away to Fiorentina and lasting through until MD31 away to Bologna. In that stretch, they had/have away trips to Fiorentina, Atalanta, Roma, Lazio, and home games against Juve, us, Fiorentina, and Milan. Obviously only two of those games have been played, but it was two of the away games, and they took 6/6 points from them. I will re-iterate my belief that, if they are in 1st place going into their last seven games, with them being absolutely charmin-soft opposition (none of their opponents are, or likely will reach, top-10 sides in the table right now), they're not losing points in that stretch. I can't see it happening. Conte teams aren't known for choking.

Embrace the challenge, I guess. Napoli won the Scudetto in a runaway two years ago, we did last year, and realistically winning the Scudetto isn't supposed to be easy, maybe it's only appropriate the last two winners have a proper 38-game showdown this year.

Somehow, I don't feel like Napoli's going to miss Kvara at all.

 

[NimAraya]

Just got done catching up on the last few games, and this is about the first time this season where I'm now legitimately grade-A worried about Napoli. They've already gotten most of their difficult away games out of the way. Inter (2), Atalanta (3), Fiorentina (5), Juventus/Milan, and they got wins or draws from all those games. Lazio, Bologna, and Roma, their only remaining away top-10 opponents.

Atalanta went to their stadium two months ago and smoked them, a draw was the least I was hoping for. Watching Scalvini slip and give Lukaku the easiest header of his life (which this time he didn't fuck up) was disheartening. I've said several times that we're doing our part. 89 point pace, it's hard to gripe too much about that. 89 points would win you the league way more often than not. But as has been noted in here, between having Conte as manager, having several players still around from the '23 Scudetto team, and only playing a 40 game schedule (two Coppa games) while we're playing a minimum of 52 and quite likely more...remember that we really hit our stride under Conte in the '21 Scudetto season after being eliminated from Europe entirely and only having a domestic schedule from January-May. That's Napoli's season this year.

When I looked at their schedule, it was the stretch beginning with MD19 away to Fiorentina and lasting through until MD31 away to Bologna. In that stretch, they had/have away trips to Fiorentina, Atalanta, Roma, Lazio, and home games against Juve, us, Fiorentina, and Milan. Obviously only two of those games have been played, but it was two of the away games, and they took 6/6 points from them. I will re-iterate my belief that, if they are in 1st place going into their last seven games, with them being absolutely charmin-soft opposition (none of their opponents are, or likely will reach, top-10 sides in the table right now), they're not losing points in that stretch. I can't see it happening. Conte teams aren't known for choking.

Embrace the challenge, I guess. Napoli won the Scudetto in a runaway two years ago, we did last year, and realistically winning the Scudetto isn't supposed to be easy, maybe it's only appropriate the last two winners have a proper 38-game showdown this year.

Somehow, I don't feel like Napoli's going to miss Kvara at all.

Don't overthink it. Long season ahead and many times football results go beyond our expecations.

 

[Adriano@10]

I agree with a lot of the second para but tbh, he's probably the best coach we can get ATM and it's fine, I think we just overrate both him, and our squad.

The best inter of our lifetime (accordig to you a few post back) but the rest of us are overrating the squad and the coach?
Common now bro you make 0 sense and you know it...
I mean in our lifetime we hade a trebble winning squad...

 

[.h.]

The best inter of our lifetime (accordig to you a few post back) but the rest of us are overrating the squad and the coach?
Common now bro you make 0 sense and you know it...
I mean in our lifetime we hade a trebble winning squad...

In terms of play style, we play well. Treble Inter was more direct, still actually quite good (considering the coach, not saying he was a bad coach but he was more of a results grinder). This Inter looks great on paper with a lot of football innovation, eg the inverse defense/midfield, etc. yet all that and goes nowhere really significant.

 

[wera]

what difference one conceded goal in a CL final makes

while I admit without Marotta, Inzaghi couldn't be as effective, it's not like many other clubs have been so good in the last 5 seasons

it's City, Liverpool, Bayern, Real Madrid that were for sure above us, but I'd say the next group is where we fit in - Barcelona, PSG, Atletico - and that's with the worst finances of all 8 mentioned clubs.

I'd rather fully rate Inzaghi after he leaves being Inter's manager. Sure, we are not winning every big match - that would make my dick swell so much I could open coconuts with one swing - but let's wait and see how good we do this season. We are doing good for now.

 

[.h.]

us having worse finances than barca is a bold statement

 

[wera]

and yet they still pull players like Olmo and Lewa

 

[.h.]

and yet they still pull players like Olmo and Lewa

yeah, they're doing it by selling off assets. We could sell off, e.g., 50% of our broadcast revenue for the next 30 years and use that money to sign some big name too if we wanted.

honestly, they're so lucky to have a good youth team, look at their most recent starting line up, like 5 home developed kids? Which other club in the world could pull that off and have a competitive team?

 

[Il Drago]

and yet they still pull players like Olmo and Lewa

By selling VIP seats at the stadium with their director admitting she didn't know what company bought them.

I don't want that shady shit at the club.

 

[HernanesLeftFoot88]

By selling VIP seats at the stadium with their director admitting she didn't know what company bought them.

I don't want that shady shit at the club.

Am surprised Juve havent used more "levers".. thats right up their street.

 

[.h.]

Even Juve aren't stupid enough to think that's a financially viable way forwaed