José "The Special One" Mourinho

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Chelsea was what now? You're talking about 2014 Chelsea? Mature?

Lloris I give you, but Alderweireld didn't even know if he's staying or not, Son is a crybaby and Kane collapses under pressure. Come on...
 

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Chelsea was what now? You're talking about 2014 Chelsea? Mature?

Lloris I give you, but Alderweireld didn't even know if he's staying or not, Son is a crybaby and Kane collapses under pressure. Come on...
Inter have also had players which collapse under pressure. It was basically every player. But Conte have gradually installed "winning" mentality in this squad.
I do agree that the players club in EPL are more"spoiled", maybe due to higher salaries they get or that they think are playing in the "best" league out there. But it's not one sided. Mourinho also has a blame that he couldn't unite the team and get better results. I don't think someone requests to challenge ManCity and Liverpool for a title, but top 4 is absolutely realistic target for Tottenham. They made it before. They played a CL final as well recently. There is no pressure. It is between Mou and the players.
 

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No, they're more spoiled because of culture.

The players are given the freedom to do whatever they want. Go to Roma and it's like Eton College. Go to Barcelona and it's like Cambridge University. The organizations are extremely lenient, players go out on weekdays and some even get smashed, on weekends they mostly end up in London to party and it's all about "the good life". In other places, it's football first.
There's also no pressure from the fans there. I had Samir Nasri, a Manchester City player at the time, next to me in a bar. People were pouring over to take pictures with him. Mostly Arsenal fans. The same Arsenal fans that allegedly "hated" him for the transfer. And that was barely 2 years after the move.

Our Kolarov could not go out in freaking Rome after joining Roma, only specific neighborhoods. If Lazio fans caught him somewhere, it'd be trouble for him. That may be or sound very toxic, but it's a harsh reality for football players in some places. And it's an exaggerated example as well. You can see Inter players with Milan players hanging out, but you're not going to see that shit on a weekday or the day after a derby or before a game. In England, that's a rather common sight.

I've worked with a lot of people around football back when I was there, I've seen things that surprised me a lot, as this mentality felt foreign to me and it also felt awkward in general and it showed a lack of competitiveness. A player once admitted to me that he only moved to a shit PL club (he didn't say shit PL club, but it was a given due to location) because he wanted to absolve the pressure from himself and focus on getting ready for the World Cup (ironically, they didn't qualify). Not gonna say who he is, it's irrelevant anyway. But he was playing in Italy at one point as well as in 2 other league by that time. It's also a smoother workplace. Less training, less focus on shit, it's less like a school. You play for Conte, you have to memorize shit and he tests you... Half these people barely passed high school, they're not interested in learning shit :lol:


The money actually is not that much better but in the bigger picture they do earn more. You will find most clubs able to afford at least 2 rather large contracts (2m net per annum) but the majority of the rest of their players won't be getting paid better than the Sampdoria or Udinese players, but you won't find Crotone type of contracts there probably. Players at top clubs aren't extremely well paid either. Lukaku was one of the best PL players, moved to Manchester United and didn't really earn that much. We almost doubled his salary here! Manchester City does not pay extravagantly, they only have 3-4 players on a very high salary, the rest of the squad is perhaps comparable to ours, with the exception that they have an additional 2-3 players on higher wages than us, which puts them at an advantage overall of course. But it's not as if Man City players are earning big money right away. Their transfer policy is not to buy the best players, because they cannot. Who the fuck wants to play for Manchester City? They were overpaying the likes of Aguero, Toure, Jovetic, Dzeko, Balotelli etc when they started to create a core squad and become an instant hit, but their transfer policy is mostly to buy young tier 2 stars that have potential. De Bruyne was such, Bernardo Silva another one, Ruben Dias and Ederson also etc. These guys weren't extremely well paid, so a slight bump and a promise to be important players for the club is enough to attract them.

I'd say that both Liverpool and Manchester City know how to attract talent that's also serious about football. On the other hand, there's Manchester United which was like a trash can of obscene personalities and whomever didn't like the climate, he felt alienated. Someone like Juan Mata and Alexis Sanchez for example fit this description.


You're talking about Mourinho and a top 4 finish (which was actually within 3 points until this week) and it's true. His team should be there. But there's a reason it is not. It's not because Mourinho is "outdated" or whatever. We saw the team click under Mourinho and even the anti-Mourinho media was afraid that he was actually going to pull it off. The problem is why they unclicked. I think a main reason is that the players cannot handle Mourinho, rather than the other way around. Hopefully they have another Amazon documentary so we can see this first hand. What I mean is, after results were going their way and Mourinho tried to convince these guys that they were champion caliber, it got to their heads: "we are the best, we're managed by the best". First hiccup and boom. Collapse. Then you have the team captain complain that his teammates do not listen to the coach and you know that he's said the same thing when Pochettino was on the way out.

If Mourinho is allowed to convert the team into what he wants, I'm pretty confident that he'll be challenging for the league. But with the existing core, it's virtually impossible.

You see the roster from a fan perspective or even a video game player. It feels sexy. Kane, Bale, Son, Lo Celso, Lamela, Lucas Moura, Ndombele, Reguilln, Lloris, Bergwijn, Vinicius, Hojberg, Alderweireld, Sanchez, Alli, plus a few more... that looks like a very nice squad.

But these are a person each, not just a number or a character on your screen. You discount that Alli is a moron that doesn't listen to anyone. You discount that Bale barely cares about football. You discount that you have guys like Sissoko exert a lot of influence in the locker room. They also lost a locker room leader in Vertonghen and it's either vacant now or a new incompetent person has more influence there. Someone like Kane doesn't care enough about becoming a leader, Lloris cannot find allies. There was the Danny Rose case where he rebelled and he had friends in the team that didn't like how he was treated. It's a mess. You could say that a coach's job is to unite the players, but these aren't the players he wanted, these are the players he found there. Sure, he knew that, but he also had Eriksen and Vertonghen when he joined that wanted to leave and I'm pretty sure it's better to have Vertonghen around than a kid like Joe Rodon.

At Manchester United, Mourinho had everything under control while Zlatan was around. When he got injured, shit hit the fan. At Tottenham, Lloris was supposed to be that guy for him. At Real Madrid, he had multiple guys like that, just like at Inter. At Chelsea, he had Terry, Drogba and Lampard.

Conte at Inter has Vidal, Lukaku and Kolarov for example now. It's important to have the backing of veterans and important players. It makes it easier to control the locker room. Spalletti for example lost it because he only had Nainggolan who was sidelined by the management. Perisic for example wasn't really in favor of Spalletti, more like the other way around. Perisic would have played for any coach. But there was an anti-manager block and Perisic wasn't in it. It's not easy managing a team when half the players want to get rid of you, whether they're right or not. With Mourinho this has happened three times already in the past decade in England. Chelsea, 2nd season. Manchester United, final 15 months. Tottenham, last few months. It's easier to blame the coach and he's the most expendable. But Tottenham needs to decide what they're going to do here.

Conte had the luxury to have Marotta clear house before he arrived. Mourinho took over right after Pochettino left and the players expected to find someone who would pamper them. Mourinho was never going to be that guy. You can hire Pioli if you want that. Or Ranieri.
 

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Mourinho did not take a long enough break after his Man U job imo but you also need to factor in that Tottenhams squad isn't very good, especially their defensive players which are important to a Mourinho team. He has Kane and Son though who are maybe the best attacking players in the league.

When I saw they were 5th not too long ago I wasn't surprised but he shouldn't have lost to Man U and that asshat Ole.

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Brehme, just because some fans hated Nasri, doesn't mean everybody did. Seeing a footballer IRL is still a big thing.

I wonder who I would ask for a picture. Zanetti for sure, Iniesta, Figo, Ronaldo9, Adriano (in brasil while partying)

Mostly people that look like they wouldn't mind taking a picture.
 

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I find that annoying. I never ask anyone to take a picture of with my face next to them, so fucking annoying. Let the guy be. Take a photo of him at the stadium wearing the kit and leave the picture taking to be with your girl :lol:
 

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Yeah, me too. Seeing how I live in the music world, the last known (to me) picture with a famous person when I asked for a picture was 2013. It's more for self-validation of 'I took a picture with this famous dude' than giving the famous dude any props. It's annoying.

But people don't understand that football superstars are also human.
 

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he's been fired.

wtf, he just qualified for the Super league. :awyeah:
 

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Yikes. Might be time to take a break for a bit for Jose.

I still don't put too much stock into this Spurs spell for him though. If he had quality defenders he'd be cruising to a top 4 spot.
 

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meh, managers 'lose it'. I dont really know why, but look at some of the greatest managers a decade or two ago. Over the hill now. He should consider calling time, or going to international management.
 

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I just don't know how Mourinho's career can recover from his past 2 stints. I do not think there will be any big clubs who would give him another chance, after such mediocre spells. Maybe some CL-qualifying chasing clubs would but there might not even be a CL anymore it seems. :D

Hopefully he can revive his career at some point!
 

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esp on his salary requirements/compensation packages. I can see a big club giving him a try, with appropriate break cluases to minimise their financial risk.
 

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people are saying that Mourinho was sacked after he refused to train the players due to the announcement of the Super League.
 

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people are saying that Mourinho was sacked after he refused to train the players due to the announcement of the Super League.

Yes,thats the reason. Jose is truly the special one!
 

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Waiting for his interview :cool:
 

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people are saying that Mourinho was sacked after he refused to train the players due to the announcement of the Super League.

Faaaaairly sure that was a troll Twitter account. Unless thechicoazul is a well renowned source of football information? :lol:
 

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The nail in coffin for his coaching career. His title with Chelsea in 2015 was the last big achievement.
The best Mou was till he won CL with us (2003- 2010 is the Mou era in football). Last decade was the downfall and now the end.
I am glad he didn't return here. A failure would be a dark spot on his superb but short career at Inter. For me and probably for the overwhelmingly majority of us he remains the "The Special One".
 

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romano - José Mourinho sacking is not linked to Super League... and he’s never refused to take training today. He’s been fired because of results and no nothing else.
 

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Hopefully he can enjoy the momentary bittersweet cry with his endless stacks of 100s that the Spurs are gonna pay out.
 
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