José "The Special One" Mourinho

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It’s pretty sad how this guy’s mentality has changed over the years. I remember his quote during his stint with us. He said something like I don’t give a fuck others say about Inter. to me these boys are best the players in the world. And you know why? Because this is MY team.

And as we know, that team was ready to die for Mourihno.

Nowadays it’s not the players who have weak mentality. It’s Mourinho. His failures as a coach have broken him
 

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His last four jobs were Chelsea, Manchester United, Tottenham and Roma.

Sounds about right.

Calling them out on their bullshit doesn't even work anymore since they don't care. Theyonly care about the money and lifestyle, not the trophies or winning.
And Roma has a pathetic squad, I mean look at that!
Inter also had weak mentality before Conte to take the job. Mentality has been changed and Inter became a champion. This is not an excuse. It's up to the coaches to install a winning mentality in their teams.
 

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to be fair we also replaced loads of players
Mourinho also had time and funds to shape the teams as he likes, but he failed.
And we didn't replaced too much players. Over two seasons we got Hakimi, Lukaku and Barella as most expensive purchases, as the others were mainly on loan or free agents. I don't know about Tottenham, but Chelsea and Man U are spending a lot more, when they want.
 

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Mourinho also had time and funds to shape the teams as he likes, but he failed.
And we didn't replaced too much players. Over two seasons we got Hakimi, Lukaku and Barella as most expensive purchases, as the others were mainly on loan or free agents. I don't know about Tottenham, but Chelsea and Man U are spending a lot more, when they want.
Being the coach isn't like Football Manager or FIFA. You don't get to make every decision...
 

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If coach blames players for weak mentality, it's because the coach himself has weak mentality. Simple as that.
Does Torino players have strong mentality ? How did they improve so much ? They changed coach.

It's up to coach to change mentality, to improve his players. I wish him the best, but he shows pretty bad signs.
 

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Being the coach isn't like Football Manager or FIFA. You don't get to make every decision...
If he had some disagreement with mngmt about transfer market, he would have spoken publicly or private, and if there was no results, just leave.
 

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If he had some disagreement with mngmt about transfer market, he would have spoken publicly or private, and if there was no results, just leave.

You think this isn't being done? In private, of course. Going out in public to say these things is moronic and leads to nowhere...

He got fired three times in a row because the management sided with the players that Mourinho wanted replaced to a large degree.
 

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You think this isn't being done? In private, of course. Going out in public to say these things is moronic and leads to nowhere...

He got fired three times in a row because the management sided with the players that Mourinho wanted replaced to a large degree.
Why is it moronic? If there were some promises broken, he should have made it public and put pressure on the mngmt. If this does not work, he can quit.
It is moronic to say that your players have weak mentality. With this attitude, I don't see how he will unite and improve his team.
 

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Wasn't Shomurodov his signing?

I seen a stat the other day that possibly for the first time ever, or first time in 30 years Roma have lost at home to milan inter juve. That's not just a Roma problem. They spent like 100m or more in the summer and are getting the same results as fonseca, if not worse.
 

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Wasn't Shomurodov his signing?

I seen a stat the other day that possibly for the first time ever, or first time in 30 years Roma have lost at home to milan inter juve. That's not just a Roma problem. They spent like 100m or more in the summer and are getting the same results as fonseca, if not worse.
If the money goes to the signings of Tammy Abraham, Marash Kumbulla, Eldor Shomurodov and Maitland-Niles, it's called "wasting" it.

I wonder what you'd be saying if we spent all that money on these guys...

Why is it moronic? If there were some promises broken, he should have made it public and put pressure on the mngmt. If this does not work, he can quit.
It is moronic to say that your players have weak mentality. With this attitude, I don't see how he will unite and improve his team.

If the players weren't weak and could 'take it', such words would make their drive stronger. But they just don't have it....

Crying out in public that the wrong players were brought or that the team is weak and needs reinforcements is one thing, but saying that the board made promises they didn't make is not stuff for the public.
 

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If the money goes to the signings of Tammy Abraham, Marash Kumbulla, Eldor Shomurodov and Maitland-Niles, it's called "wasting" it.

I wonder what you'd be saying if we spent all that money on these guys...
Those guys came in, most probably with the agreement of Mourinho. And if he had a better option to fits in the budget, i'm pretty sure that Roma would have purchased it instead. If they don't have money enough to satisfy his demands, they could go and loan someone to fill the gap. For instance, in Conte's first season, we got Moses, Young and Biraghi on loan, and they were fine for us. First two were Conte requests/suggestions. Next year - Darmian, Vidal and Alexis, although the salaries of the latter two were huge, they came for zero transfer fee. All of them were coach's demands. See also that Milan is doing pretty fine in finding good/ not so bad players on loan deals. i don't know how many of them are suggested or approved by Pioli, but the fact is that this is working well for them. From another hand, you are blaming only Roma, and trying to make Mourinho some kind of victim here, which is ridiculous, considering that he is worse than Fonseca at this point of the season, with more money spent for reinforcements.
I'd take Tammy Abraham instead of Correa, despite being 10 mln more expensive. He's one of the best performing Roma's players so far, and would fit in Inzaghi's style of playing.

If the players weren't weak and could 'take it', such words would make their drive stronger. But they just don't have it....

Crying out in public that the wrong players were brought or that the team is weak and needs reinforcements is one thing, but saying that the board made promises they didn't make is not stuff for the public.
If he was calling to his players "have weak mentality", in his last three clubs before Roma, and it didn't work well, why he was thinking that this time will do?
Anyway, i don't recall Conte to claim that players have weak mentality after the home loss against Bologna, which was much more embarrassing, considering that we were in total control of the game with an extra man, and Bologna is not jubentus after all. Conte said something like " the top sides do not act like this, we shall be ashamed and have to work a lot more to do not let occasions like this happen again". I don't follow too much the EPL, but i don't remember Klopp or Pep to complain about weak players' mentality after their teams were trashed by Villa (7-2) and Leicester (5-2) respectively.
 

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Alexis came the same season Lukaku came. You probably don't remember because he was injured for a huge portion of the season.
 

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Tammy Abraham is actually one of the reasons why Roma is shit. "One of the best performers", come on man...

You got a lot of that backwards, too.

Alexis wasn't Conte's request. If anything, Conte initially blocked his transfer on more favorable conditions and then Marotta went to buy him from Manchester United after having to deal for Lukaku and reach their demands!
Darmian was not a Conte choice, either.

And Correa cost us 10m thus far and will cost another 15m until the end of next season. Abraham cost Roma 25m thus far and will cost them at least another 20m. Hardly a 10m difference. And Abraham adds nothing to our team, we'd be better off sticking with Pinamonti.

Roma messed up by not pursuing Isak on time and missed out, they could have gone for other players and fixed their main issue which was defense but instead they made foolish PR moves to gain more followers in the USA using Premier League names...

You're also talking about coaches at winning teams, want to see what Klopp was saying when he joined Liverpool? He wanted EVERYONE who hadn't been part of a winning squad the 3 previous seasons gone. All of them. That included club legend Gerrard... He publicly said that players that have been part of losing squads were unsaveable. And he was partly right. Those with hunger remained and secured their spot. Everyone else was replaced. And now Liverpool is winning.
 
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More on Klopp's Liverpool


And just a reminder that Roma was in a bigger mess than Liverpool, doesn't really have the same amount of funding, their roster is inferior to what Klopp inherited and PL competition was actually weaker than current Serie A, that was the year freaking Leicester coasted to the championship with Tottenham being the second best team.


Shit happens. The problem with Roma is that they don't have a real strategy, whereas Liverpool did. Roma won't become a European superpower, not with Mourinho, not with anyone. But if they weren't so useless, they'd become at least relevant in both Italy and the Champions League.
 

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Klopp had clear ideas how to replace his current players with the ones fitting to his style. Mourinho from the other hand is only whining. It strange that in all of his recent teams, Mourinho couldn't take the players he wants, or at least this impression I get, when I'm reading this constant complaining about the players. Let's see what he will build in Roma, but I don't believe that he will finish even his second season there. For example, Sarri said that some of his players cannot play Sarriball, and he'll definitely go for an overhaul in the summer, but at least he knows what he wants, unlike Mourinho.
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Pinamonti over Abraham?! Lol, Tammy is more much better currently. At least he can create something on his own unlike Pina.
 

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Klopp had clear ideas how to replace his current players with the ones fitting to his style. Mourinho from the other hand is only whining. It strange that in all of his recent teams, Mourinho couldn't take the players he wants, or at least this impression I get, when I'm reading this constant complaining about the players. Let's see what he will build in Roma, but I don't believe that he will finish even his second season there. For example, Sarri said that some of his players cannot play Sarriball, and he'll definitely go for an overhaul in the summer, but at least he knows what he wants, unlike Mourinho.
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You're drawing conclusions based on lack of information. The only thing you see and care about is the result. Sure, as a fan that's all you're going to care about, but football management is not only about results, it's about process.

You talk about Conte and Inter, the truth is that Inter was a CL side for two years when Conte arrived and there was internal conflict that Conte did not find here. He had a blank checkbook to sort out the team. That's a coach's wet dream.

Mourinho on the other hand found players that he had discarded at his previous job have a role at Roma (Mkhitaryan and Smalling), only got rid of Pedro who I imagine was a personal choice rather than a tactical one [they go way back from the Barcelona-Mourinho rivalries and there's not much amity there], his best players are injured (Zaniolo, Spinazzola), his team spent money on Kumbulla who he did not rate because of previous conditions and he asked for 8 players to fill specific spots and they only got him 4+1. The +1 being Kumbulla.

They spent 100m as you say and the roster looks inferior to last season's! Dzeko is not replaced. The impact is just not there. Their only quality signing was that South American left back but he's only 'quality' enough for Roma. Everyone else they signed is not Roma material. Mourinho's presence cannot compensate roster deficiencies anymore, this is why he's "whining". He's expected to pull rabbits out of his ass because he's Mourinho, despite having to coach incompetent players or brats. That's not how football works.


Sarri has a system but we're not seeing it at Lazio. Lazio was utter shit until Sarri realized he has to change his approach to a more counter-attacking style. This isn't Sarriball anymore. And it's not like it's really working, either. But at least Sarri has a couple of very good players, and a world class midfielder to top that, whereas Roma has nothing but a collection of washed up rejects and a few domestic talents that are either unavailable or unable to carry the burden throughout the season.


Pinamonti over Abraham?! Lol, Tammy is more much better currently. At least he can create something on his own unlike Pina.


Pinamonti cost Empoli nothing and he's doing far better than Abraham is, who keeps messing up chances, loses out to his defender all the time and is the main reason why Roma cannot get it going whenever he's heavily involved.


Pinamonti is not a great player. Neither is Abraham. I wouldn't pay 20m for either, but if I had to choose for 20m as if my life depended on it, I'd pick Pinamonti. Abraham cost 45m, with no guns pointed at Friedkin's face.

The only reason Friedkin bought Roma is to flip the team to some richer dude, trying to gauge their attention which is fixated at the PL market, by having PL players there and hoping to reach a deal for a new stadium. Mourinho is part of that package, he's not there to build a team. Maybe Mourinho thought he could get his way, but it doesn't look likely. It will take a while for the Roma fans to accept their current situation and they'll keep attacking the players, the coach, whether that's Fonseca or Mourinho, the director. But it's a new Arsenal situation, without the stadium, without the revenue and without the patience of the fans. It's bound to fail.


You need to embrace the football reality, not think of the game's protagonists as the players and coaches. This isn't a video game, life isn't this way. These guys are guest stars in the main show. The owners run it. They dictate policy. If you fluke out a result during this sporting incompetence, good on you. But it shouldn't reflect badly on a coach who's not really appreciated for his coaching ability but is there just for his marketability.



I think by the end of this window Mourinho will understand that his chances for a top 4 spot are minimal, his chances of taking an EL spot are also bad, his chances to win the Coppa are slim. So he'll try to focus this bunch of losers to the Conference League.
 

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You're drawing conclusions based on lack of information. The only thing you see and care about is the result. Sure, as a fan that's all you're going to care about, but football management is not only about results, it's about process.
I'm drawing conclusions based on watching of some games, results and what is leaking of media. If you have some internal information, please share it. And i know that it is about the process. That is the reason to point out Pep, Klopp, Conte and Sarri ( at some extent), because those are coaches, who can create a process of a building of a winning team. Mourinho from the other hand, hasn't proved that he is capable of that last couple of years.
You talk about Conte and Inter, the truth is that Inter was a CL side for two years when Conte arrived and there was internal conflict that Conte did not find here. He had a blank checkbook to sort out the team. That's a coach's wet dream.

Mourinho on the other hand found players that he had discarded at his previous job have a role at Roma (Mkhitaryan and Smalling), only got rid of Pedro who I imagine was a personal choice rather than a tactical one [they go way back from the Barcelona-Mourinho rivalries and there's not much amity there], his best players are injured (Zaniolo, Spinazzola), his team spent money on Kumbulla who he did not rate because of previous conditions and he asked for 8 players to fill specific spots and they only got him 4+1. The +1 being Kumbulla.

They spent 100m as you say and the roster looks inferior to last season's! Dzeko is not replaced. The impact is just not there. Their only quality signing was that South American left back but he's only 'quality' enough for Roma. Everyone else they signed is not Roma material. Mourinho's presence cannot compensate roster deficiencies anymore, this is why he's "whining". He's expected to pull rabbits out of his ass because he's Mourinho, despite having to coach incompetent players or brats. That's not how football works.
Conte did not find an internal conflict, as Marotta sent away three of the best players of the team - Icardi, 9N and Perisic. All of them needed a proper replacement and in addition Conte, had to change the whole system and style of play of the team. It's true that we had more money for players, but in reality we spent them mainly on Lukaku, Barella, Sensi and Lazaro. Many people thought that those players are downgrade, especially Lukaku < Icarid and Barella < 9n, but in the end of the day we collected 82 points, compare to 68 on the previous season, which is huge improvement.
Dzeko left Roma due to some internal conflict too, and he was replaced with Abraham. Dzeko had scored 7 goals last season, Tammy has had 8 so far. About Mkhitaryan and Smalling, if Mourinho wanted so desperate to get rid of them, he could have definitely found the way to do it. And his task is not to win the scudetto this season, but more to try to build some competitive team for the next season and to place it in top 4, which won't happen if he keeps shiting of his players. And i'm speaking exactly for that - Mourinho couldn't lay out a foundation of a winning team neither in Chelsea, nor in Man U or Tottenham. He won't do it in Roma as well.
Sarri has a system but we're not seeing it at Lazio. Lazio was utter shit until Sarri realized he has to change his approach to a more counter-attacking style. This isn't Sarriball anymore. And it's not like it's really working, either. But at least Sarri has a couple of very good players, and a world class midfielder to top that, whereas Roma has nothing but a collection of washed up rejects and a few domestic talents that are either unavailable or unable to carry the burden throughout the season.
That is what i meant. Sarri has clear ideas how to improve the team for the next season. They will cash on SMS, Lazzari and Alberto, and he'll use the funds to shape his squad as per his vision. Mourinho, from the other hand, will continue to complain and will make some chaotic buys, which will be used as complaining material for the next season.
Pinamonti cost Empoli nothing and he's doing far better than Abraham is, who keeps messing up chances, loses out to his defender all the time and is the main reason why Roma cannot get it going whenever he's heavily involved.


Pinamonti is not a great player. Neither is Abraham. I wouldn't pay 20m for either, but if I had to choose for 20m as if my life depended on it, I'd pick Pinamonti. Abraham cost 45m, with no guns pointed at Friedkin's face.
Do you're watching the games or just speaking with stats a front of you? If not, just see even the highlights of Abraham this season and of Pinamonti, if you find any. The latter barely can stop and pass the ball properly, while the former can beat opposition players 1-1 and creates decent chances for him, his teammates.
The only reason Friedkin bought Roma is to flip the team to some richer dude, trying to gauge their attention which is fixated at the PL market, by having PL players there and hoping to reach a deal for a new stadium. Mourinho is part of that package, he's not there to build a team. Maybe Mourinho thought he could get his way, but it doesn't look likely. It will take a while for the Roma fans to accept their current situation and they'll keep attacking the players, the coach, whether that's Fonseca or Mourinho, the director. But it's a new Arsenal situation, without the stadium, without the revenue and without the patience of the fans. It's bound to fail.
In this case, Mourinho has to stop whining and just to get his fat paycheck and keeps smiling.
 

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That is what i meant. Sarri has clear ideas how to improve the team for the next season. They will cash on SMS, Lazzari and Alberto, and he'll use the funds to shape his squad as per his vision. Mourinho, from the other hand, will continue to complain and will make some chaotic buys, which will be used as complaining material for the next season.
It's ironic that you based your entire post on something and you smashed your own argument right here.

Mourinho has no one to sell to provide the necessary funds to build his own team. And his own team doesn't even want him to build his own team, they want him to coach his team.
Mourinho is also not big on squad overhauls. He only did that with Inter in 2009. And that's a negative for him. He should pursue that more often as it's a winning recipe for him. Instead, he lets this new generation of brats toy with him and cannot take it with the board to back him. Manchester United didn't back him, they refused almost all of his transfer requests and brought a bunch of players he didn't want, then they didn't sell players he didn't want at the club. At Tottenham he wasn't given time, nor funds, and the club stuck with the Dele Alli crew because they have more value than the coach. When the captain of the team sides with the manager publicly saying that players don't listen and the manager is sacked the following weeks, you don't need inside information to understand the situation, but trust me when I say it was far worse than that.


Sending Smalling and Mkhitaryan away is easier said than done. Mkhitaryan is leaving on a bosman anyway, Raiola is his agent and he's actually pushing him to us and Milan. Would you take him?
Smalling is unsellable at this point. The PL has no interest for him and no one in Serie A wants him either.

As for your comment on Abraham, maybe watch a little more rather than the highlights. The guy is like a giraffe with shoes. He messes up 90% of the time, just because you saw the highlights of the 10% doesn't mean his worth 45m euros :lol:
 
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