Julio Cesar

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"His movement was quick and he had a knack for reading the game, which meant he was always well positioned. He was also a fabulously acrobatic keeper and could pull off some spectacular saves. He was simply fantastic." (Luca Marchegiani about Júlio César)
 

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Julio Cesar talking about some anecdotes during his time at Inter:

Chapter 3: Mourinho at the Piazza del Duomo

In 2009 I won Serie A with Inter. We had spent a long season playing games, training, travelling, staying in hotels and missing our families. Now we were finally champions.

So, you know, we had plans to go and celebrate like mad.

That’s what champions do, right?

But our coach was the one and only José Mourinho. And, well, let’s just say that The Special One had a very different plan in mind!

Hahaha.

This is what happened: We were in a hotel in Milan on a Saturday, preparing to play Siena on Sunday. We knew that if Milan lost to Udinese that night, we would be champions. So we were all watching the game together. When Milan lost, we went crazy.

INTER, CAMPIONE D’ITALIA!

Where to go? Easy. We have a place called the Piazza del Duomo, which is the main square of Milan. This is where Inter celebrate their titles with the fans. But when I spoke to Javier Zanetti, our captain, and some of the other players, they said that Mourinho didn’t want us to go there.

Mourinho wanted us to rest before the Siena game. It didn’t make sense! We had won the title. We had no other competitions left to play.

Then I realised that Mourinho wanted to break the record for the number of wins in a Serie A season, or something like that. It was a milestone that would make him look good.

So I got really mad, hahaha. I told Zanetti, “We have to go to the Piazza. We deserve it.”

Just then Mourinho walked past. He shouted, “Júlio César, why don’t you go there by yourself?”

I shouted back, “Everyone wants to go. They’re just afraid to tell you, but I’m not.”

Mourinho kept walking towards his room. I wasn’t going to just accept this, so I went after him. When he went into his room, I followed him. He lay down on the bed and I told him, “Look, if you don’t go to the Piazza, you will never win a championship again.”

Suddenly Mourinho got up and began swearing at me. He was calling me every name under the sun. I’m not sure, but I think he might have taken what I said seriously.

In either case, two buses soon arrived to take us to the Piazza del Duomo.

Moments later we were in the square singing and celebrating with the fans. At one point — I was pretty drunk — I grabbed Mourinho by the neck and said, “So you really wanted to stay at the hotel?! Look at this! This is for you!”

He just began to laugh. By the time we got back to the hotel, it was 5 a.m. We went straight to bed.

And then we beat Siena 3–0.

Chapter 4: Tears in Madrid

In 2008–09 my relationship with Mourinho was like father and son. And then it got more … well, let’s just say it got more complex.

Come spring 2010 we were fighting for the league title, the Italian cup and the Champions League — the treble. I was playing terribly. My confidence was gone. One day, as I was warming up before training, Mourinho walked over to me and said, with a voice as cold as ice:

“Look, you have gone from the world’s best keeper to a Serie C keeper.”

Hahaha.

That was his way of encouraging me, you know? The idea was that I’d be provoked to do better. And with most of our players it would have worked. That team was so successful because Mourinho treated us in a direct and transparent way. No matter who you were he would criticise you in front of the group. But the thing is, not everyone reacts well to this kind of leadership. And I didn’t. I lost confidence. Out on the pitch, I became even more insecure.

Still, another great thing about Mourinho was that if you felt unfairly treated, you could talk to him. So that spring we had a long chat that cleared the air.

Before that I had felt heavy and sad.

Afterwards I was back to normal.

A few months later UEFA named me the goalkeeper of the year in Europe. We won the league and the cup. But the big one was the Champions League. Inter hadn’t won it in 45 years and the club president, Massimo Moratti, was obsessed with it.

We played the final against Bayern Munich at the Santiago Bernabéu in Madrid. I had invited about 70 or 80 people! All family and friends — from the U.S., Italy, Brazil, everywhere. When the ref blew the final whistle, I walked across the pitch to celebrate with my family and friends. I especially wanted to see my mum, Maria de Fátima. She was the one who had encouraged me to stick to 11-a-side football as a kid, even though I liked futsal better. I kissed her and hugged her.

It’s wonderful to enjoy such moments with the people who supported you on your journey.

Out on the pitch the players and the staff were hugging each other, kissing each other, tears rolling down … I found my son, Cauet, put him on my shoulders and walked back out with my teammates.

He was able to celebrate that moment with me, too.
 

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That was his way of encouraging me, you know? The idea was that I’d be provoked to do better. And with most of our players it would have worked. That team was so successful because Mourinho treated us in a direct and transparent way. No matter who you were he would criticise you in front of the group. But the thing is, not everyone reacts well to this kind of leadership. And I didn’t. I lost confidence. Out on the pitch, I became even more insecure.


That's one of the reasons why Mourinho fails in recent years.
 

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Watching that video I’m still gutted I never bought the 06/07 gk strip in the blue. It was a thing of beauty!!

That said, I was still in school so its more...I should have convinced my parents to buy it :trollol:
 

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Has to be in the top ten goalkeepers of all time in my opinion. Not only for his accomplishments, but how he went about things. I remember watching him play a few times for Brazil and his presence in net was something to behold. It is awesome that a goalkeeper of his stature had his best years at Inter.
 

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Has to be in the top ten goalkeepers of all time in my opinion. Not only for his accomplishments, but how he went about things. I remember watching him play a few times for Brazil and his presence in net was something to behold. It is awesome that a goalkeeper of his stature had his best years at Inter.
He had great moments with us but he would barely qualify as a top 10 south American goalkeeper of all time.
 

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He had great moments with us but he would barely qualify as a top 10 south American goalkeeper of all time.

He does have the unfortunate circumstance of so many talented south american goalkeepers, I don't divulge to deeply in history of certain continents, countries best from decades etc but where do you think he would rank then?

Julio Cesar for me is one of the greatest goalkeepers I've watched, however may be slightly bias and tainted due to achievements with us, I always preferred Toldo as well he was something to behold.
 
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He does have the unfortunate circumstance of so many talented south american goalkeepers, I don't divulge to deeply in history of certain continents, countries best from decades etc but where do you think he would rank then?

Julio Cesar for me is one of the greatest goalkeepers I've watched, however may be slightly bias and tainted due to achievements with us, I always preferred Toldo as well he was something to behold.

They recently asked a bunch of Brazilian goalkeepers to state their top 3 Brazilian goalies:

Our Julio Cesar didn't even make top 10, ending up 11th. Which was what I'd initially state, that he'd barely be considered a top 5 Brazil GK but felt it was going to be viewed as a harsh view.

Only 4 Brazilian goalkeepers rated him in the top 3. One #2 vote and three #3 votes.

Found another article here, where they rank him as 8th best Brazilian GK.

He's not had great moments for Brazil's National Team which to this day remains the biggest factor for Brazilians, so you'll see guys like Marcos being rated higher by the new generation for being on their last World Cup winning squad.


Now some random sites that I cannot really know how active or credible they are [and won't really bother to check their Alexa ranking] have:
https://manualdohomemmoderno.com.br/esportes/os-melhores-goleiros-brasileiros-de-todos-os-tempos No mention of JC here, but there's Marcos.

https://br.futboo.com/galeria-de-fotos/top-10-melhores-goleiros-brasileiros-da-historia/1030/foto/ They include him here, but no idea if that's ranked, could be 8th based on the last picture, but he's one of two on the front picture as well. Odd one.

https://www.em.com.br/app/noticia/e...ebol-brasileiro-que-ficaram-na-historia.shtml what I suppose is a local paper, has Julio Cesar ranked 6th for Brazil.


Loses a lot of points for the 2010 and especially the 2014 World Cups. That 7-1 home defeat does not sit well at all with the Brazilians so it's a great feat that he's still rated despite being central part of that :D


Now on South America


This list came from 1999, so using it just to show some of the names that are in contest for the top 10-20 spots. Only 2 Brazilians made it to the top 10, 11th is also Brazilian.

https://as.com/futbol/2021/06/09/internacional/1623253991_316283.html He is part of the top 10 here as #9, considered the 2nd best Brazilian. The list refers to Copa America performance only.

Now the lists are restricted to English language so their objectivity and knowledge may be more limited, but here goes anyway:
https://sportmob.com/en/article/935142-Best-South-American-Goalkeepers-of-All-Time Not in the top 10.

https://btsgoalies.com/2020/04/22/top-10-south-american-goalkeepers/ Not in the top 10. Not an honorable mention either.


@nelsonrivas2011 can shed some more light on how he's viewed in Brazil.
 

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They recently asked a bunch of Brazilian goalkeepers to state their top 3 Brazilian goalies:

Our Julio Cesar didn't even make top 10, ending up 11th. Which was what I'd initially state, that he'd barely be considered a top 5 Brazil GK but felt it was going to be viewed as a harsh view.

Only 4 Brazilian goalkeepers rated him in the top 3. One #2 vote and three #3 votes.

Found another article here, where they rank him as 8th best Brazilian GK.

He's not had great moments for Brazil's National Team which to this day remains the biggest factor for Brazilians, so you'll see guys like Marcos being rated higher by the new generation for being on their last World Cup winning squad.


Now some random sites that I cannot really know how active or credible they are [and won't really bother to check their Alexa ranking] have:
https://manualdohomemmoderno.com.br/esportes/os-melhores-goleiros-brasileiros-de-todos-os-tempos No mention of JC here, but there's Marcos.

https://br.futboo.com/galeria-de-fotos/top-10-melhores-goleiros-brasileiros-da-historia/1030/foto/ They include him here, but no idea if that's ranked, could be 8th based on the last picture, but he's one of two on the front picture as well. Odd one.

https://www.em.com.br/app/noticia/e...ebol-brasileiro-que-ficaram-na-historia.shtml what I suppose is a local paper, has Julio Cesar ranked 6th for Brazil.


Loses a lot of points for the 2010 and especially the 2014 World Cups. That 7-1 home defeat does not sit well at all with the Brazilians so it's a great feat that he's still rated despite being central part of that :D


Now on South America


This list came from 1999, so using it just to show some of the names that are in contest for the top 10-20 spots. Only 2 Brazilians made it to the top 10, 11th is also Brazilian.

https://as.com/futbol/2021/06/09/internacional/1623253991_316283.html He is part of the top 10 here as #9, considered the 2nd best Brazilian. The list refers to Copa America performance only.

Now the lists are restricted to English language so their objectivity and knowledge may be more limited, but here goes anyway:
https://sportmob.com/en/article/935142-Best-South-American-Goalkeepers-of-All-Time Not in the top 10.

https://btsgoalies.com/2020/04/22/top-10-south-american-goalkeepers/ Not in the top 10. Not an honorable mention either.


@nelsonrivas2011 can shed some more light on how he's viewed in Brazil.
So if I make a website and rate him #1 is he the best in the world?

I am asking your opinion and what your list would be, I can see from your posts that you literally google, get some stats and lists then post, people like me post from memory, the heart, as a fan.. I don't need to read websites to see what I see on a pitch as a fan and what I've seen from others.
 
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So if I make a website and rate him #1 is he the best in the world?

I am asking your opinion and what your list would be, I can see from your posts that you literally google, get some stats and lists then post, people like me post from memory, the heart, as a fan.. I don't need to read websites to see what I see on a pitch as a fan and what I've seen from others.

I just shared what I found on the internet, I did not say it's my opinion. It just supports that Julio Cesar is not really considered the top Brazilian goalkeeper, so he cannot be the best South American goalkeeper either.

One of which links is the opinion of actual Brazilian goalkeepers rating their heroes. From my understanding, they're all active which should also skew opinion toward Julio Cesar who's the most recent of their greats.

I don't have a list because I am not very well versed in South American football history to this extent. I can tell you that I am aware that Gylmar, Fillol and Carrizo are the best South American goalkeepers ever, just like I could tell you that Lev Yashin is the greatest [European] ever because that's what the consensus suggests.

But I cannot know if Julio Cesar was better than Colombian/Uruguayn/Paraguyan/Ecuadorian etc goalkeepers from the 70s or 80s and I can assure you there were some damn great ones around.


From the 90s and on, I would argue that Taffarel, Chilavert, Cordoba and Goykochea stand ahead of him. I'd put him on the same category as Mondragon, Abondanzieri, Alisson, Dida, Bravo etc. There's also a bunch of others who had a great 2-3 year spell or were inconsistently solid such as Bonano, Armani, Marcos, Rogerio Ceni, Villar, Barovero, Ederson and a bunch of others guys that had potential, such as Saja who ended up in Greece for example, or Muslera. I'd put those a step below Julio Cesar, who also suffers from longevity. He peaked rapidly and fell from grace too soon as well. Very reliant on reflexes, which is why I was typically very critical of his positioning and was very in favor of pushing for Handanovic from 2011 even.


So given how I don't even have him as a top 5 South American GK in the last 30 years, I cannot envision how he'd be a lock for a top 10 spot when you have to account a more expert and broad scope spanning 100 years back.


And who's on your list?
 
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I just shared what I found on the internet, I did not say it's my opinion. It just supports that Julio Cesar is not really considered the top Brazilian goalkeeper, so he cannot be the best South American goalkeeper either.

One of which links is the opinion of actual Brazilian goalkeepers rating their heroes. From my understanding, they're all active which should also skew opinion toward Julio Cesar who's the most recent of their greats.

I don't have a list because I am not very well versed in South American football history to this extent. I can tell you that I am aware that Gylmar, Fillol and Carrizo are the best South American goalkeepers ever, just like I could tell you that Lev Yashin is the greatest [European] ever because that's what the consensus suggests.

But I cannot know if Julio Cesar was better than Colombian/Uruguayn/Paraguyan/Ecuadorian etc goalkeepers from the 70s or 80s and I can assure you there were some damn great ones around.


From the 90s and on, I would argue that Taffarel, Chilavert, Cordoba and Goykochea stand ahead of him. I'd put him on the same category as Mondragon, Abondanzieri, Alisson, Dida, Bravo etc. There's also a bunch of others who had a great 2-3 year spell or were inconsistently solid such as Bonano, Armani, Marcos, Rogerio Ceni, Villar, Barovero, Ederson and a bunch of others guys that had potential, such as Saja who ended up in Greece for example, or Muslera. I'd put those a step below Julio Cesar, who also suffers from longevity. He peaked rapidly and fell from grace too soon as well. Very reliant on reflexes, which is why I was typically very critical of his positioning and was very in favor of pushing for Handanovic from 2011 even.


So given how I don't even have him as a top 5 South American GK in the last 30 years, I cannot envision how he'd be a lock for a top 10 spot when you have to account a more expert and broad scope spanning 100 years back.


And who's on your list?
I think we are misunderstanding, probably on my behalf. You said he isn't even a top south american keeper, so I asked who's on your list, not a list you have pulled from the internet.
I don't remember or know a lot to make a list, like in your list I question how many of those GK's you have actually watched to make such judgement, whereas I have watched Julio Cesar hence why he would easily make my top 10. Chilavert, Dida, Cesar, Allison and Ederson that I've watched or that come to mind, I am probably missing a lot though from memory.
Apologies for any misunderstanding from my behalf friend.
 
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I think we are misunderstanding, probably on my behalf. You said he isn't even a top south american keeper, so I asked who's on your list, not a list you have pulled from the internet.
I don't remember or know a lot to make a list, like in your list I question how many of those GK's you have actually watched to make such judgement, whereas I have watched Julio Cesar hence why he would easily make my top 10. Chilavert, Dida, Cesar, Allison and Ederson that I've watched or that come to mind, I am probably missing a lot though from memory.
Apologies for any misunderstanding from my behalf friend.

Well, I did watch an awful lot of Chilavert, Mondragon, Cordoba, Abbondanzieri (who was one of my favorites during his prime for some odd reason), obviously guys like Taffarel, Dida due to Serie A and also other guys like Bonano, Burgos, Roa, Muslera, Villar, freaking Carini, Rogerio Ceni and more modern guys like Barovero, Bravo, Armani, Alisson, Ederson, Romero, Andujar and so on.

I've been watching a lot of Argentinean football and the Libertadores stuff, had a brief moment with a Brazilian league frenzy when I was working all nighters



I didn't watch much of Rene Higuita, I just know he was certifiable crazy and a pretty damn good shot stopper. But he's rated as a top 10 lock by most, so I have to respect that.

Either way, South American goalkeepers aren't as great as the top European ones, so the argument that Julio Cesar could qualify as one of the best 10-15-20 ever is just Inter bias, especially when he's not considered the greatest Brazilian and he's not even near the very best of his own continent. That's the reason whey the lists came. He's not as great as some of the Inter fans are making him out to be. Doesn't mean he wasn't great for us when it mattered.
 

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Julio Cesar for me is one of the greatest goalkeepers I've watched, however may be slightly bias and tainted due to achievements with us, I always preferred Toldo as well he was something to behold.
As I said.
Good chat google, sorry, Brehme.
 
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I think that Julio for those 5-6 years from 2005-2010 was performing at such a high level that most inter fans considered him to be one of the best.

It was also during this period that many legendary goalkeepers were playing their trade, like Buffon, Van der sar, Iker Casillas, Dida, and Peter Cech.
 
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