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A striker who falls down every 2 seconds, rolls around like he was knocked out will never be a top striker in my book. Aside from his work rate and some great goals he gets he is an average striker at best and his temperament doesn't look like its improving either.

If he doesn't work on these 2 aspects he will never be a top striker, at Inter, with Argentina nor with any other club.
 
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Thing with FIF, if you're not lavishing the core group with praise then you're being unfairly critical. I want Toro push harder becuase I'm rooting for him pretty hard. He's gone from out 5 player to barely mentioned and that's disappointing to me. It's great that he appreciates the fans and wants to be here (I for one never doubted this and felt that the "he's playing poorly because he wants to go to barca" rumors were unfounded), but if we don't expect more, that's where it might stop. Champions are never satisfied, they always strive to be better and that's what I want for Toro, hopefully that's his mindset. But handing over the penalty to Hakan suggests otherwise and was a step backwards for him and the team long-term.
Nah, that shit is what it is - some feel it and some don’t, and whoever feels it on the day should take it. I can never fault a player for choosing not to take a pen, it’s not easy.
I was terrible at penalties too :lol:. But you can justify your worth in other ways. But going a month without a goal, playing poorly, then handing over penalty duties to a newbie, I mean, choose one not all three.
He puts the team and winning ahead of his own glory.
This sounds like a slight at CR7 but you can do both, have personal and team goals.
we're lucky we have such characters in our team.
I hate this. You realize he's being out shinned by Simeone of Verona?

IMO only player last 10 years we have been lucky to have is prime Handa.
 

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Thing with FIF, if you're not lavishing the core group with praise then you're being unfairly critical.
That's not true at all and your exaggeration is ridiculous. People have been criticizing him for having goal drought and shitty performances for months and it was rightly so. The problem with your logic is you think a few people speak for the whole FIF community.

Nitpicking on why he chose not to take the penalty is ridiculous. Chalhanoglu wasn't the main penalty taker but neither was Kessie yet he's the main taker right now because Ibra knows that Kessie is better than him in taking PKs and it's worked pretty well for Milan so far, nothing to do with Ibra shying away from the challenge; it's about realizing your strength and weakness.
 
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That's not true at all and your exaggeration is ridiculous. People have been criticizing him for having goal drought and shitty performances for months and it was rightly so. The problem with your logic is you think a few people speak for the whole FIF community.
I'm talking in general. The Barella thread for example. Maybe it isn't the general consensus, my memory isn't great.

Nitpicking on why he chose not to take the penalty is ridiculous. Chalhanoglu wasn't the main penalty taker but neither was Kessie yet he's the main taker right now because Ibra knows that Kessie is better than him in taking PKs and it's worked pretty well for Milan so far, nothing to do with Ibra shying away from the challenge; it's about realizing your strength and weakness.
Kessie was already the established penalty taker at Milan when Ibra joined so why or how would that change? Contrast with our situation: Hakan has never been main penalty guy even at shitty Hamburg, but 2 months in, he's already ahead of everyone in the pecking order, not because he's penalty specialist, but because the others are godawful. If you don't find that ridiculous then I guess you've seen it all. It isn't really nitpicking, it's a mindset problem I'm seeing. Football is a results oriented business, there's simply no place for these nice guy dispositions. Results and winning always come first. I mean, if you want trophies.

But forget penalties, Lautoro's general game is falling short. So instead waving and blowing kisses, however much appreciated, I would personally like to hear how Toro's doubled his efforts in training, seeing with a psychologist to improve confidence issues (if any), working with penalty specialist Kaku to improve his technique, etc.
 

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I'm talking in general. The Barella thread for example. Maybe it isn't the general consensus, my memory isn't great.

Kessie was already the established penalty taker at Milan when Ibra joined so why or how would that change? Contrast with our situation: Hakan has never been main penalty guy even at shitty Hamburg, but 2 months in, he's already ahead of everyone in the pecking order, not because he's penalty specialist, but because the others are godawful. If you don't find that ridiculous then I guess you've seen it all. It isn't really nitpicking, it's a mindset problem I'm seeing. Football is a results oriented business, there's simply no place for these nice guy dispositions. Results and winning always come first. I mean, if you want trophies.

But forget penalties, Lautoro's general game is falling short. So instead waving and blowing kisses, however much appreciated, I would personally like to hear how Toro's doubled his efforts in training, seeing with a psychologist to improve confidence issues (if any), working with penalty specialist Kaku to improve his technique, etc.

He may be already doing all the things you mentioned at the end though
 
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If he doesn't work on these 2 aspects he will never be a top striker, at Inter, with Argentina no with any other club.

He's already a starter at both.

Thing with Lautaro is there is simply more to his game than just goals. Coaches do not use him as starter because they are idiots. Lautaro does the work coaches want him to do. Movement, positioning, all the little things with the ball, the whole package. Goals is just one detail in his game, it's not world class level and most probably will never will be. Still he's considered starter at Inter and at Argentina.
 

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He's already a starter at both.

Thing with Lautaro is there is simply more to his game than just goals. Coaches do not use him as starter because they are idiots. Lautaro does the work coaches want him to do. Movement, positioning, all the little things with the ball, the whole package. Goals is just one detail in his game, it's not world class level and most probably will never will be. Still he's considered starter at Inter and at Argentina.

Never mentioned anything about him being a starter.

Maybe i have to change my outlook on him, he is a great defender who plays up top in the oppositions box. He can press, has the movement and great technical ability as well like you said.
 

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I’m generally not for players apologizing for on the field performances. Ok I mean if you score a ridiculous own goal or play an opponent through with a careless pass. But it’s a game. You accept you will make mistakes. There is no success without risk.

But I don’t really mind it in this case as he knows he’s been under-delivering. It’s just a small gesture to show he’s close to the fans.
 

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But forget penalties, Lautoro's general game is falling short. So instead waving and blowing kisses, however much appreciated, I would personally like to hear how Toro's doubled his efforts in training, seeing with a psychologist to improve confidence issues (if any), working with penalty specialist Kaku to improve his technique, etc.
I agree with you that his general game is falling short, I was just commenting on how you nitpicked on him not wanting to take the penalty.
 

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I want him to want to take all the penalties, unless Inzaghi overrides it he should be taking all of them. I understand where rfU is coming from.
 

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He may be already doing all the things you mentioned at the end though
Maybe. But you'd be surprised how lazy athletes can be.
I agree with you that his general game is falling short, I was just commenting on how you nitpicked on him not wanting to take the penalty.
It's just disheartening because when he joined he looked cocky as hell, never whelmed or shying away from responsibility, ready to be the icardi replacement, even taking the #10 jersey which comes with weighty expectations. I don't mind the shitty performances and falling over, those come with the territory, but it's the constant low IQ plays, playing 2nd fiddle to Dzeko, and then handing over the penalty to Hakan...

He's going backwards.

But it's early days, lets see how it plays.
 

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Maybe. But you'd be surprised how lazy athletes can be.
It's just disheartening because when he joined he looked cocky as hell, never whelmed or shying away from responsibility, ready to be the icardi replacement, even taking the #10 jersey which comes with weighty expectations. I don't mind the shitty performances and falling over, those come with the territory, but it's the constant low IQ plays, playing 2nd fiddle to Dzeko, and then handing over the penalty to Hakan...

He's going backwards.
So what you mean is that he should make a case about penalties like Neymar when he joined PSG?
It's not Lautaro's penalty it's Inter's penalty.
In my opinion, other than cases where a player wins a penalty and wants to take it himself, I don't want to see players argueing over who wants to take it. Just put the ball in the net I don't care who does.
I dont really understand the problem there. Inzaghi said that he was one of the PK takers based on what he does in training but his penalties were never really really good during games so it makes sense if he steps down once in a while especially in an important game against the leader, it's the team before anything else.
 

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So what you mean is that he should make a case about penalties like Neymar when he joined PSG?
It's not Lautaro's penalty it's Inter's penalty.
In my opinion, other than cases where a player wins a penalty and wants to take it himself, I don't want to see players argueing over who wants to take it. Just put the ball in the net I don't care who does.
I dont really understand the problem there. Inzaghi said that he was one of the PK takers based on what he does in training but his penalties were never really really good during games so it makes sense if he steps down once in a while especially in an important game against the leader, it's the team before anything else.
You guys don't see it I guess. You're making it sound like it's two penalty specialists arguing over who should take the penalty and rack up their goal count. No. This a player (Lautoro) low on confidence and handing over to a decent penalty taker (in Hakan). A Lautoro / number 10 low on confidence and courage is no good to Inter.
 

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You guys don't see it I guess. You're making it sound like it's two penalty specialists arguing over who should take the penalty and rack up their goal count. No. This a player (Lautoro) low on confidence and handing over to a decent penalty taker (in Hakan). A Lautoro / number 10 low on confidence and courage is no good to Inter.

Indeed a very bizarre line of thought:

Lautaro missed a pen vs Milan --> he's low on confidence -> lets Hakan take the pen (Hakan scores) --> this is bad because Lautaro is wearing the #10 jersey

(???)

I mean I'd be ok with Lautaro and Hakan swapping jersey numbers if that will settle the issue for you :D
 

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You guys don't see it I guess. You're making it sound like it's two penalty specialists arguing over who should take the penalty and rack up their goal count. No. This a player (Lautoro) low on confidence and handing over to a decent penalty taker (in Hakan). A Lautoro / number 10 low on confidence and courage is no good to Inter.
Should he keep taking all the pens even if he is low on confidence with the higher possibility of missing them or what, then ? Confidence is not a switch you need to build it up. Also what is the problem if another player than Lautaro takes penalty duty? Veretout, Pulgar, Kessie started taking the pens for their teams after the starter striker missed some of them, it doesn't mean anything other than they needed a player with high confidence for that task.

I'd rather Lautaro gets back to a high level of confidence than him just spamming penaltys because somehow 'he has to'. Look at Cristiano Ronaldo's numbers on free kicks. It's not what we need!
 

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Indeed a very bizarre line of thought:

Lautaro missed a pen vs Milan --> he's low on confidence -> lets Hakan take the pen (Hakan scores) --> this is bad because Lautaro is wearing the #10 jersey

(???)
The #10 is typically worn by the best player on the team (and by some of the best players in the history of the sport). What do you think Lautoro's intentions were when he picked that number, to play second fiddle to Dzeko and be third in the pk pecking order? He wants to be the guy on the team but is failing, that's why I'm just disappointed for him and in him IF he's resigned to this fate. That's why i said I don't want to hear about him being a good guy and showing love to the fans, you picked the #10, demanded to be one of the best players on the team, now earn it.

If he can't hack penalties then earn it in other ways. For example, Tevez, he wasn't a great goal scorer in his mid-20s but, game in, game out. he made his presence felt on the pitch, by converting penalties, scoring stunning freekicks, playing with passion and commitment, showing leadership, taking charge in tough games, etc. Tevez's stay at West Ham was brief but ask any West Ham fan about him and they'll write you an essay. Toro had that "passion and commitment" once upon a time....

Should he keep taking all the pens even if he is low on confidence with the higher possibility of missing them or what, then ? Confidence is not a switch you need to build it up. Also what is the problem if another player than Lautaro takes penalty duty? Veretout, Pulgar, Kessie started taking the pens for their teams after the starter striker missed some of them, it doesn't mean anything other than they needed a player with high confidence for that task.

I'd rather Lautaro gets back to a high level of confidence than him just spamming penaltys because somehow 'he has to'. Look at Cristiano Ronaldo's numbers on free kicks. It's not what we need!
To be clear, I don't care if Toro takes the penalties or not, it's the fact that he was designated #1 and handed over to a newbie who isn't a pk expert. It's like being nominated team captain then deciding you're not up to it then handing it over a new signing. It might be the right decision but it's disappointing to see.

Again, Toro is our #10, a lot of expectations come with it, one of which is not shying away from big moments. Lautoro chose that number, it wasn't forced on him.

What a weird discussion you guys are having here.
Weirder than praising Lautoro for waving at fans? I mean I can do that, for free. Point is we lack have big-moment players in this squad and now looks like Lautoro is looking to wriggle his way out and be just another squad player. If so then it's disappointing to see.
 
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Some rumours that Conte wants him. I don't see Tottenham bid 90mln for Lautaro, unless if they sell Kane somewhere.
 

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The #10 is typically worn by the best player on the team (and by some of the best players in the history of the sport). What do you think Lautoro's intentions were when he picked that number, to play second fiddle to Dzeko and be third in the pk pecking order? He wants to be the guy on the team but is failing, that's why I'm just disappointed for him and in him IF he's resigned to this fate. That's why i said I don't want to hear about him being a good guy and showing love to the fans, you picked the #10, demanded to be one of the best players on the team, now earn it.

If he can't hack penalties then earn it in other ways. For example, Tevez, he wasn't a great goal scorer in his mid-20s but, game in, game out. he made his presence felt on the pitch, by converting penalties, scoring stunning freekicks, playing with passion and commitment, showing leadership, taking charge in tough games, etc. Tevez's stay at West Ham was brief but ask any West Ham fan about him and they'll write you an essay. Toro had that "passion and commitment" once upon a time....


To be clear, I don't care if Toro takes the penalties or not, it's the fact that he was designated #1 and handed over to a newbie who isn't a pk expert. It's like being nominated team captain then deciding you're not up to it then handing it over a new signing. It might be the right decision but it's disappointing to see.

Again, Toro is our #10, a lot of expectations come with it, one of which is not shying away from big moments. Lautoro chose that number, it wasn't forced on him.


Weirder than praising Lautoro for waving at fans? I mean I can do that, for free. Point is we lack have big-moment players in this squad and now looks like Lautoro is looking to wriggle his way out and be just another squad player. If so then it's disappointing to see.

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