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I appreciate his building up, opening space for Sanchez or others today, holding the ball well
 

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Like many have said before an instinctive scorer. Happy he got the brace and enjoyed the combination with Sanchez. Overall well done.
 

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goalkeeper could stand all the way to the left and Lautoro would still kick it in the same spot smh

Whatever, whether he's 1st choice or 5th he needs to work on it and improve. We need, minimum, 4-5 good penalty takers in the squad.

Otherwise good all round game
 

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Has anyone else noticed that when taking penalties, Martinez always kicks from his right side to the left?

I have never taken a penalty but I was wondering how hard it is for a right footed player to kick to their right side. Or is that generally not done because they have to open up their body when taking the kick which will telegraph it to the keeper?
 

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Has anyone else noticed that when taking penalties, Martinez always kicks from his right side to the left?

I have never taken a penalty but I was wondering how hard it is for a right footed player to kick to their right side. Or is that generally not done because they have to open up their body when taking the kick which will telegraph it to the keeper?

Have you at least kicked a ball? :p Same principle.

It's the typical result of an "instinct shot". 99/100 times the ball will follow the movement of the leg, right foot shot will bend leftwards and left foot shot will bend rightwards. If you want to take it to the right side with the right foot, you need to weigh and place the shot, ensure that there is enough bend to take it as far to the right as possible. It's usually a more efficient shot as well, since it allows less space for the goalkeeper to reach the ball.

Just consider how easier it is to throw or kick something outwards as opposed to inwards. Completely different body stance is needed. It's the most natural outcome.

When a parallel pass is coming from your right and you are running towards it at a 180 degree angle [ie in a complete straight line], the one time shot you will take with the right foot will most definitely be curving outwards to the left, unless you're extremely comfortable with your body balance and shooting ability, otherwise you'll miss badly. Or mishit it and it will follow the natural path, in an abysmal manner, meaning it will go far more to the left than even imagined.


Haven't noticed what you're saying about Lautaro's penalties by the way, but this is pretty much the reasoning. But since his body balance when shooting feels awkward, I suppose this could be a thing.
 

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Has anyone else noticed that when taking penalties, Martinez always kicks from his right side to the left?

I have never taken a penalty but I was wondering how hard it is for a right footed player to kick to their right side. Or is that generally not done because they have to open up their body when taking the kick which will telegraph it to the keeper?
It's a bit awkward because you need to open up your hips to get an appropriate amount of bend on the ball. If you open up your hips too soon, the keeper can easily guess which way you're going. Here's the best recent example I can think of:


The obvious solution is to take a wider run in your approach, which creates natural leverage for your body. Martinez (and Belotti in this video) tend to take narrow run ups which makes it hard to whip the ball into the right side of the net.
 
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Has anyone else noticed that when taking penalties, Martinez always kicks from his right side to the left?

I have never taken a penalty but I was wondering how hard it is for a right footed player to kick to their right side. Or is that generally not done because they have to open up their body when taking the kick which will telegraph it to the keeper?
I used to work closely with an amateur futsal players in local competition, and yes for an amateur players (right footed) , it's harder to kick to the right side of the gk, especially when they kick the ball using the inside of their boots

But these guys are professional and there should be no problem at all, maybe it's just some kind of confidence issue,
because taking penalty aint easy , you need to be mentally ready, don't crumble under pressure, and you need to understand the urgency behind the penalty,
Pratices makes perfect and a controllable self confidence make you a better penalty taker

all the best for lautaro
 

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Great control and finish on the 2nd goal, grande Toro.
 

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I used to work closely with an amateur futsal players in local competition, and yes for an amateur players (right footed) , it's harder to kick to the right side of the gk, especially when they kick the ball using the inside of their boots

But these guys are professional and there should be no problem at all, maybe it's just some kind of confidence issue,
because taking penalty aint easy , you need to be mentally ready, don't crumble under pressure, and you need to understand the urgency behind the penalty,
Pratices makes perfect and a controllable self confidence make you a better penalty taker
As a youngn my coach used to tell us "aim low to the side of the keepers weaker foot", so in this case Lautoro would aim for Cragno's left side. Not sure of the logic behind it, I guess it's harder to dive low on your wrong foot?

My go to is bottom left (i aim for the side of the net or the inside post) and I go for placement over power. I used to do the Balotelli, bascially pause on your shooting foot, wait for the GK to commit, and then place it on the opposite side. But you need to be supremely confident (eye contact with keeper throughout so you can gauge his movement) and timing has to be perfect, sometimes you get patient GKs who don't react at all, just wait for you to strike the ball :lol:

But its 100% practice practice practice practice. Tons of it. Lautoro really needs to commit to this even if he's the 2nd/3rd choice. If he's taking 100 shots after practice, he needs to double it.
 

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Maybe he's just given the chance to gain back his confidence after that derby penalty missed, but...
 

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As a youngn my coach used to tell us "aim low to the side of the keepers weaker foot", so in this case Lautoro would aim for Cragno's left side. Not sure of the logic behind it, I guess it's harder to dive low on your wrong foot?

My go to is bottom left (i aim for the side of the net or the inside post) and I go for placement over power. I used to do the Balotelli, bascially pause on your shooting foot, wait for the GK to commit, and then place it on the opposite side. But you need to be supremely confident (eye contact with keeper throughout so you can gauge his movement) and timing has to be perfect, sometimes you get patient GKs who don't react at all, just wait for you to strike the ball :lol:

But its 100% practice practice practice practice. Tons of it. Lautoro really needs to commit to this even if he's the 2nd/3rd choice. If he's taking 100 shots after practice, he needs to double it.

I don't know much regarding gk because most teams they have their own gk coaches, to be fair i'm not too knowledgeable when it comes to gk, but again, different coaches means different style and preference, some like to instruct you to shoot with power and others have their very own instruction

what jorginho did and what balotelli did was an extremely hard technique for an amateur league player, since you have to split your concentration by looking at the gk while keeping eye on the ball, I really admire your confidence rfu if you manage to do that oven and over again

I grew up watching footballs , and became an inter fan in 1998-1999, I was very confident with my ability, because back then I felt, I already watched tons of matches, and I knew exactly the task in every position so I was kinda cocky, arrogant and I believe I will do wonder as a coach, so I decided to took a job in 2010 as a futsal coach, and boy oh boy , I really suffered back then

futsal has very different tactic and movement and there were no fixed position, so I decided to focus less on tactics and more on the psychology of the players.
it started well until I made a mistake and lose the dressing room, we were knocked out in quarter final and the captain start to question my decision. I admitted my mistake and we move on, then after that the same thing happened again, i lose the dressing room once again , and I couldn't recover from it
I never coach any team again after that , coaching a team is a very hard thing to do, there's a lot going on , so many factors can contribute to your downfall since you have a lot of personalities inside the team. training alone is not enough, the players need to be prepared psychologically , you need to educate and nurture them

my only regret is that I let my ego took control of my decision, I thought because I already watched tons of matches, coaching is an easy job , sadly it was a tough ordeal and I learn it the hard way,
I don't want to come back as a futsal coach but one day, in my free time I would love to coach a football team, someday

btw you can practice as much as you want but if you shit your pants during the game then it's over

practice buid your confidence and controllable confidence help you win games

I stopped watching footballs at 2013 except inter ,but football and inter are still my passion
 
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No away goals rule in uCL this season. We better be ready for shootouts.

I don't know much regarding gk because most teams they have their own gk coaches, to be fair i'm not too knowledgeable when it comes to gk, but again, different coaches means different style and preference, some like to instruct you to shoot with power and others have their very own instruction

what jorginho did and what balotelli did was an extremely hard technique for an amateur league player, since you have to split your concentration by looking at the gk while keeping eye on the ball, I really admire your confidence rfu if you manage to do that oven and over again
Arrogance really. I coached bratty kids 10-14yrs. I loved the experience, coaching is something I'll get into later in life I think.
 

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As a youngn my coach used to tell us "aim low to the side of the keepers weaker foot", so in this case Lautoro would aim for Cragno's left side. Not sure of the logic behind it, I guess it's harder to dive low on your wrong foot?

Spent some time in goalkeeping coaching (I started it because I just loved to shoot the ball :D )

It's the opposite actually, although that's good advise. It is harder to jump on your strong side, assuming you're not talking about an anomaly with a left footed person being right handed or a left handed person being right footed, those tend to be more balanced people.

Key things:
- When you jump to your right, your left arm extends the most. So you need a leftie save. Even if you dive in parallel rightwards and you're straight as an arrow, the left hand will be able to reach further, but it will take longer to get there - hence why what you mention is good advise. So using your right arm here would help, but it might be too late either way. Which takes us to the next one.
- When you jump to your right, while you do use your right side of the body to shift your balance, the push comes from your left side and your left foot. So it's not the strongest possible jump which would help stopping shots to the low corner.

This is also why some GKs are struggling with saving penalties. Their body tells them to move to the right yet their best chance as a right handed/footed keeper is to go left. But the mind mixes up signals there, footwork gets lost, gravity urges the body to tilt right etc. You see this issue even with top GKs at times. You're also heavier on the lower right side of your torso, organs etc. So mentally and instinctively you want to avoid squishing those, which makes some GKs that aren't very confident fall on their left more often.

Then it becomes a coin toss decision for the striker as he has to decide if the GK will go based on the hunch (completely random), instinct (natural reasons, body balance shift etc) or some sort of studied methodology (enter top class PK savers like Pagliuca, Toldo, Handanovic that also played for us).

Some top top GKs can use both feet to jump to either side, so it doesn't apply to them, but there's like 5 of those in the world, maybe less :D
 
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Spent some time in goalkeeping coaching (I started it because I just loved to shoot the ball :D )
What are your thoughts on Handa's reluctance to dive? A GK friend of mine says bruising to the ribs and hips.
 

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What are your thoughts on Handa's reluctance to dive? A GK friend of mine says bruising to the ribs and hips.
I've said many times that Handanovic is an extremely smart and well awared GK.

He knows a shot is within his reach. So jumping to the end of the goal post with all your strength in a futile attempt is going to cause damage to your shoulders (and ribs and hips, true) if you fall without reaching the ball. The body [and mind] has a completely different reaction when you don't reach what you're aiming for.

It's obviously not going to kill you or injure you every time, but it adds on and even if that wasn't the case, it only takes one ugly hit.

Handanovic actually doesn't seem to have lost a step in his leaping ability. This was something he always did. Even if you check the games between us and Udinese, half of the goals we scored he didn't move.

It's actually something that you can say about pretty much every goalkeeper out there. Only guys like Buffon who behave like guard dogs make silly jumps just for the sake of it. The problem with Handanovic is that people started to highlight this as a weakness when in fact it's a very natural circumstance.

You don't jump because:
- You're wrong footed.

- Ball changes direction (eg deflection)

- Ball is too fast to see where it goes.

- Your position does not allow you to reach it. [Could be bad positioning or a great shot. Or both]

- The angle and your body posture don't compute, it's unrealistic to see a person shifted to his left to suddenly make a jump to stop a low shot to their right (which is why some use their feet/legs there). Sometimes you can see an attempt and they get to the ball, but it needs to be a lucky save as it will usually just reduce the ball's velocity going in rather than stop it.

- You're genuinely stunned. Imagine you expect a player to hit the ball a specific way and you mentally prepare for it (within 1-4 seconds) and then something completely different comes at you. Mentally you're broken and cannot really react. Sometimes a reflex save could help, but not if the ball isn't traveling near you.

The last one is also why sometimes you see a goalkeeper just standing at a penalty shot and conceding what looks like an easy placed shot. Waiting for a high shot to your left side (which requires body shifting and all that said above, that's rarely an instinct stop so you have to mentally prepare for it) and then you're met with a low shot to your right. Kaput. You're cooked and done.


Also don't forget that our video footage is quite terrible and doesn't compare to what a GK sees.
Remember the famous Lazio game where Marusic "scored' after a Perisic deflection? People were blaming Handanovic for that. Marusic shot was out and wide to his right, it hit Perisic face and landed to the bottom left corner. There was nothing anyone could have done to anticipate that and it took 5 replays to convince most people (and some to this day still believe Handa was at fault).
Then we conceded in the counter by Felipe Anderson. Handanovic stood still because he was stunned. Felipe was excellent there, he didn't leave room for a reaction as the anticipated move was an extra touch to the ball at least, maybe going to his left (Handa's right) or something. But he shot it first time to everyone's surprise.
 
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