Lautaro Martinez

[brehme1989]

Handanovic thread for the both of you to continue this.

 

[varmin]

Chelsea report: Blues set to sign Inter Milan star Lautaro Martinez​

Chelsea want to sign Lautaro Martinez from Inter Milan and recreate the strike partnership that scored Inter Milan the Scudetto last season.
Fichajes reports that the Argentine is high up on the list of players that Thomas Tuchel is keen on bringing to Stamford Bridge, with the Blues struggling for strikes from their attackers this season.
Martinez and Lukaku were a formidable partnership in Serie A, while the current Inter star has proven that he can work on his own without Lukaku there, too.
Many have noted that his speed and movement is a perfect contrast to Lukaku's more rugged style – though Martinez is a much more rounded footballer than given credit for and offers a strong aerial presence in attack.
The deal may well be a difficult one to strike, however.
Martinez only signed a new contract with Inter Milan recently. The 24-year-old is highly regarded at the San Siro and was valued at £60m over the summer: that figure would have increased by now and Inter may even demand as much as the £100m they received for Lukaku.
Though Inter had somewhat of a firesale over the last transfer window as they quickly shifted as many of stars out of the door as they could get money for, investment may be just around the corner with rumours of takeovers – and by the time Chelsea ready a bid for the summer, the Italian champions could be in an entirely new financial situation.
The Blues, too, have to speculate before they accumulate. The likes of Christian Pulisic, Hakim Ziyech and Timo Werner are believed to be available for the right price – and it's unlikely new attackers will arrive before the current ones leave.

 

[PHM1605]

Tell Chelsea they just need to return Lukaku + £60m they can have Lautaro.
Wait half a season for Lautaro to flop there and Lukaku to be Serie A topscorer...then ask them £60m + Lautaro for Lukaku.
Easy money

 

[William]

Tell Chelsea they just need to return Lukaku + £60m they can have Lautaro.
Wait half a season for Lautaro to flop there and Lukaku to be Serie A topscorer...then ask them £60m + Lautaro for Lukaku.
Easy money

Or tell them just to fuck off hopefully.

 

[rockball]

Or sell if you have Vlahovic and David lined up.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

Or sell if you have Vlahovic and David lined up.

In serie a, Lautaro is scoring every 91 minutes, which is better than Vlahovic. And he’s a 2nd striker who does all the dirty works to facilitate the main striker.

If we want to improve this team, Lautaro AND Vlahovic (or another prolific striker) is the way to go. Lautaro OR Vlahovic leads us nowhere, and is unnecessary risk taking.

 

[rfU]

In serie a, Lautaro is scoring every 91 minutes, which is better than Vlahovic.

Lautaro is surrounded by better players under a better, more attacking coach.

And he’s a 2nd striker who does all the dirty works to facilitate the main striker.

It's not like Dzeko just stands around in the penalty area waiting for the ball, in fact he's often the furthest back out of all our forwards, involved in the build up and hold up play. This inter is not so rigid where players have preset roles, i don't think Lautoro has been pigeon-holed by anyone to be the 2nd striker, he's often the nearest to the goal. Reason he's perceived as the 2nd striker is his conversion rate isn't on par with Dzeko's

 

[qb4ever_2k]

Lautaro is surrounded by better players under a better, more attacking coach.


It's not like Dzeko just stands around in the penalty area waiting for the ball, in fact he's often the furthest back out of all our forwards, involved in the build up and hold up play. This inter is not so rigid where players have preset roles, i don't think Lautoro has been pigeon-holed by anyone to be the 2nd striker, he's often the nearest to the goal. Reason he's perceived as the 2nd striker is his conversion rate isn't on par with Dzeko's

1st, this is not to say Lautaro is the better scorer. Only means he’s not holding anyone back with his scoring. While doing dirty works means you lose sharpness in front of the goal. Replacing Lautaro with a goalscorer means we gain something and lose some other thing, hence go nowhere.

2nd, Dzeko is a very mobile striker, but he moves around at jogging speed. You also dont he him charge at defenders or throw himself at rough challenges, that’s Lautaro’s job. He’s allowed to conserve energy for playmaking/scoring, that’s why he’s the main striker.

 

[rfU]

1st, this is not to say Lautaro is the better scorer. Only means he’s not holding anyone back with his scoring. While doing dirty works means you lose sharpness in front of the goal. Replacing Lautaro with a goalscorer means we gain something and lose some other thing, hence go nowhere.

I kinda agree but Cavani, Suarez, Vardy, Salah, etc. Even Haaland presses. You can be both, if you manage your effort so you don't over exert yourself. I made a point of Brozovic and Barella running around while Modric and Kroos made the ball do all the work.

2nd, Dzeko is a very mobile striker, but he moves around at jogging speed. You also dont he him charge at defenders or throw himself at rough challenges, that’s Lautaro’s job. He’s allowed to conserve energy for playmaking/scoring, that’s why he’s the main striker.

I agree but again I think he's the main striker because he's the better finisher. If Lautoro was prolific Inzaghi would build around him.

 

[varmin]

1st, this is not to say Lautaro is the better scorer. Only means he’s not holding anyone back with his scoring. While doing dirty works means you lose sharpness in front of the goal. Replacing Lautaro with a goalscorer means we gain something and lose some other thing, hence go nowhere.

2nd, Dzeko is a very mobile striker, but he moves around at jogging speed. You also dont he him charge at defenders or throw himself at rough challenges, that’s Lautaro’s job. He’s allowed to conserve energy for playmaking/scoring, that’s why he’s the main striker.

Please, clarify what do you mean under "dirty works"? Because, Vlahovic drops deep to initiate attacks for his team, he is a target man, goalscorer and does pressing when it is needed. And at this age, he is a much better and completed player than Lautaro was.

 

[PHM1605]

Every striker does dirty works in modern football unless he is too old. That's not a quality; that's a duty and effort.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

Please, clarify what do you mean under "dirty works"? Because, Vlahovic drops deep to initiate attacks for his team, he is a target man, goalscorer and does pressing when it is needed. And at this age, he is a much better and completed player than Lautaro was.

There is 'in position waiting for opportunity to press', and then there is 'forcing the opportunities type of press'.
Vlahovic is the former, he will be in the position and will press when he find a good chance to force turnover.
Lautaro is the latter, he charges down at defenders and goalkeeper trying to force an error from them.
They are not the same level of energy expense, it's weird you couldn't see that because it's clear as day to me.

 

[rfU]

Every striker does dirty works in modern football unless he is too old. That's not a quality; that's a duty and effort.

I think in Lautoro's case he has to cover for his striker partner, Lukaka, now Dzeko and Korea, so he's almost doing double the work. But I think Toro over does it, you don't have to win the tackle to be effective, just force the opponent into a mistake or backwards. I'd like to see the stats on this for Toro.

 

[varmin]

There is 'in position waiting for opportunity to press', and then there is 'forcing the opportunities type of press'.
Vlahovic is the former, he will be in the position and will press when he find a good chance to force turnover.
Lautaro is the latter, he charges down at defenders and goalkeeper trying to force an error from them.
They are not the same level of energy expense, it's weird you couldn't see that because it's clear as day to me.

But this is mainly on the coach and system. For instance, see in Mourinho's Roma that their attackers press very rarely.
I found these stats - https://www.legaseriea.it/en/serie-a/statistics/MediaKm
Its average kilometers run, where Vlahovic is with 10.42 whereas Lautaro is 8.189. It is not exactly pressing, but it shows that Vlaho is running much more than Lautaro.

 

[PHM1605]

I think in Lautoro's case he has to cover for his striker partner, Lukaka, now Dzeko and Korea, so he's almost doing double the work. But I think Toro over does it, you don't have to win the tackle to be effective, just force the opponent into a mistake or backwards. I'd like to see the stats on this for Toro.

It is wrong to think Lukaku’s job is any less. He had to burst all his gas in short moments to win quick race in counter. He had to shouldering the defenders in the meantime. Super exhausting task.

Lautaro might run longer in his pressing but the intensity is no where near.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

But this is mainly on the coach and system. For instance, see in Mourinho's Roma that their attackers press very rarely.
I found these stats - https://www.legaseriea.it/en/serie-a/statistics/MediaKm
Its average kilometers run, where Vlahovic is with 10.42 whereas Lautaro is 8.189. It is not exactly pressing, but it shows that Vlaho is running much more than Lautaro.

I mean you're technically right. But this was never an argument against Vlahovic, he plays lone striker for Fio, of course he must not press like Lautaro otherwise their attack will be dead after 60 mins.

What I'm trying to say is Lautaro is maintaining a very good scoring rate (91mins per goal) in Serie A, despite his intense work in other areas. The trade off is clear, if he spends less energy on chasing defenders, he will be sharper in front of the goal. But do we really want to have 2 strikers who play with low intensity? Lautaro is nowhere as bad as you guys think.

 

[Nacka]

But this is mainly on the coach and system. For instance, see in Mourinho's Roma that their attackers press very rarely.
I found these stats - https://www.legaseriea.it/en/serie-a/statistics/MediaKm
Its average kilometers run, where Vlahovic is with 10.42 whereas Lautaro is 8.189. It is not exactly pressing, but it shows that Vlaho is running much more than Lautaro.

You'd have to compensate for average playing time/game to make that conclusion. Lautaro is routinely subbed off in the 60th-70th minute and sometimes comes on as a sub. Meters/minute played would be a more accurate measurement.

Edit: A quick calculation based on the numbers from that site gives the following.

Vlahovic, 17 games played, avg 10420 meters/game, 1623 minutes played = 109.14 meters/minute
Lautaro, 16 games played, avg 8189 meters/game, 1037 minutes played = 126.35 meters/minute

 

[Candreva Crosses]

Every striker does dirty works in modern football unless he is too old. That's not a quality; that's a duty and effort.

Now that's a fucking lie.

 

[PHM1605]

Now that's a fucking lie.

Who doesn't press? I will crop you a clip to prove otherwise.

 

[Nacka]

Who doesn't press? I will crop you a clip to prove otherwise.

There's no player that does zero pressing. But Lukaku for example did very little of it and when he did he did it poorly.