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Right, he is currently carrying Fiorentina's attack with 1 non penalty goal in 8 games whike playing 90 minutes per game what about Lautaro with 4 non-penalty goals, playing 60-70 minutes per game ?

Vlahovic has had one decent half-season, last year come January he only had 4 goals, 2 of them being penalties, please. Lautaro nearly matched Lukaku in non penalty goals last season while being one of the most active strikers in the league, providing a lot of pressing and activity to make up for Lukaku's walking.

How come Lautato who's on 50+ goals in 4 years hardly ever playing main striker thus having a massive impact on the games in addition to those goals is not good enough to carry our attack (as if we couldn't succeed without one player carrying the rest of the team by the way)? But Vlahovic who could very well be the next Piatek is ?
I don't rate Vlahovic 70m worth either but come on, this is selective statistics at its best.

I call it "selective statistics" because one is 24yo and the other is 21yo; at that age Lautaro had only 6 goals. "Selective" because why "come January", "non-penalty", "minutes per game"..? I can choose the whole season number to say Vlahovic had 21 goals in Serie A, for instance.

It makes zero sense to compare if you follow only Lautaro and only a couple of matches, at best, of Vlahovic when he faced Inter. Lautaro isn't the only striker in the league doing the pressing and Lukaku isn't a lazy walking sloth you know that.
 

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I don't rate Vlahovic 70m worth either but come on, this is selective statistics at its best.

I call it "selective statistics" because one is 24yo and the other is 21yo; at that age Lautaro had only 6 goals. "Selective" because why "come January", "non-penalty", "minutes per game"..? I can choose the whole season number to say Vlahovic had 21 goals in Serie A, for instance.

It makes zero sense to compare if you follow only Lautaro and only a couple of matches, at best, of Vlahovic when he faced Inter. Lautaro isn't the only striker in the league doing the pressing and Lukaku isn't a lazy walking sloth you know that.
"Come January" because it is just why I said half a season. I wouldn't say 4 goals in 5 months is anything to talk about. He scored a lot after January but before that he wasn't THAT good and he still has to prove himself over a 9 month season, but that's in my opinion.

"non-penalty" because again, in my opinion, I wouldn't judge a player capable of "carrying Inter" from how many penalty he can score which is why I went from non-penalty goals becauE otherwise we can just sign Kessie and hope we get a shit ton of penalties at that point. Non-penalty goals is for me a very objective way of judging the impact of an offensive player. Not that penalties don't count obviously is great to have a good reliable penalty taker.

"Minutes per game" because I take everything into account, other than the obvious fact that the ratio is relevant in my opinion for a player that very rarely gets to play the latest minutes of the games where a lot of goals are scored Lautaro still scores a decent amount.

To sum up, Lautaro is a player who wasn't the principal striker, wasn't the penalty taker, rarely ever played 90 minutes and still scored a lot of goals.

Who told you I only follow Lautaro ? I've been playing Fantasy League in Serie A and watching way too many football games, more than I'm willing to admit since the times of Floro Flores and freaking Miccoli. Especially the likes of Fiorentina, Torino, etc whose players I often buy, I watch a lot of their games. I never said that Vlahovic isn't good as well, I said the way people are willing to drop Lautaro and go all in for that guy makes little sense to me given the elements we have in our hands right now. Not in 2 or 3 years, right now.
 

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"Come January" because it is just why I said half a season. I wouldn't say 4 goals in 5 months is anything to talk about. He scored a lot after January but before that he wasn't THAT good and he still has to prove himself over a 9 month season, but that's in my opinion.

"non-penalty" because again, in my opinion, I wouldn't judge a player capable of "carrying Inter" from how many penalty he can score which is why I went from non-penalty goals becauE otherwise we can just sign Kessie and hope we get a shit ton of penalties at that point. Non-penalty goals is for me a very objective way of judging the impact of an offensive player. Not that penalties don't count obviously is great to have a good reliable penalty taker.

"Minutes per game" because I take everything into account, other than the obvious fact that the ratio is relevant in my opinion for a player that very rarely gets to play the latest minutes of the games where a lot of goals are scored Lautaro still scores a decent amount.

To sum up, Lautaro is a player who wasn't the principal striker, wasn't the penalty taker, rarely ever played 90 minutes and still scored a lot of goals.

Who told you I only follow Lautaro ? I've been playing Fantasy League in Serie A and watching way too many football games, more than I'm willing to admit since the times of Floro Flores and freaking Miccoli. Especially the likes of Fiorentina, Torino, etc whose players I often buy, I watch a lot of their games. I never said that Vlahovic isn't good as well, I said the way people are willing to drop Lautaro and go all in for that guy makes little sense to me given the elements we have in our hands right now. Not in 2 or 3 years, right now.
Depends on the price. If we can somehow sell Lautaro, buy Vlahovic and get enough funding for another midfielder or left wb, I would do it without thinking twice. Vlahovic is more than good enough as his replacement.

Ofc it is always nice to have both, why not, but I don’t think Suning put any decent money anytime soon.

The only ones irreplaceable in this squad are Barella and Bastoni. Everyone else has a price.
 

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I never said that Vlahovic isn't good as well, I said the way people are willing to drop Lautaro and go all in for that guy makes little sense to me given the elements we have in our hands right now. Not in 2 or 3 years, right now.
The answer is simple, again, Vlahovic has the potential to be our main guy in attack.

Do you think they'll ever be a point where Lautoro can manage this? with his lack of speed, strength and tunnel vision/low-IQ?

As for the one-hit-wonder-Piatek-comparisons, lets be clear, Piatek failed because he is strictly an out and out poacher, at home in the final third at the end of crosses. None of this suited Milans game. And to compound the problem, his mental state and attitude, he wasn't ready to put in the work and improve his game. Also Milan were in piss poor form at that point, remember Rebic was a huge flop and Leao looked out of his depth. Things began to change when Ibra came (and Piatek benched).

Makes no sense to compare Vlahovic's situation with Piatek.
 

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How do you define carry our attack?
Shoulder the attacking burden all season long (especially in crucial games). How many of us would be comfortable with Dzeko out for a period (1-2 months) ?
 

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The answer is simple, again, Vlahovic has the potential to be our main guy in attack.

Do you think they'll ever be a point where Lautoro can manage this? with his lack of speed, strength and tunnel vision/low-IQ?

As for the one-hit-wonder-Piatek-comparisons, lets be clear, Piatek failed because he is strictly an out and out poacher, at home in the final third at the end of crosses. None of this suited Milans game. And to compound the problem, his mental state and attitude, he wasn't ready to put in the work and improve his game. Also Milan were in piss poor form at that point, remember Rebic was a huge flop and Leao looked out of his depth. Things began to change when Ibra came (and Piatek benched).

Makes no sense to compare Vlahovic's situation with Piatek.
It's funny because the way you talk about Lautaro it feels like we're talking about Paloschi. Like we are talking about a player with absolutely no quality, no ability. At this point I wonder how the hell he is been doing everything he does at Inter and for Argentina with the actual set of skills of Kevin Lasagna. I think you're being unfair because at the same time you're talking about Vlahovic as if he's the second coming of R9 off of 4 months in his career.

You are talking about potential as well, makes it feel like Lautaro is 35 while the guy just hit 24, he still has plenty of time to develop and reach maturity.

I wonder how you're so sure of Vlahovic having the potential of being the main man in our attack and at the same time so sure that Lautaro is gonna stagnate at the (high level) he is already at. We have way more data about Lautaro than Vlahovic and the data says that from the moment he walked through the door to now, Lautaro has never stopped getting better. Sure he is not reliable 100% of the time but neither is Vlahovic. No one can even see Lautaro's ceiling yet.

Do you think they'll ever be a point where Lautoro can manage this? with his lack of speed, strength and tunnel vision/low-IQ?
Lack of speed? He is not extremely fast but he is not slow either, just because he stopped running behind his defender last season due to the way we were playing doesn't mean he is suddenly turned into Tommaso Rocchi. Look at slow-ass Lautaro here and here. He has the amount of pace he needs, he is not an Osimhen type of striker.

Lack of strength? I think we can agree on the fact that he enjoys diving too much sometimes BUT, Lautaro is not weak, he often battles with defenders bigger and taller than him and if he can't answer on the strength side he often uses clever turns or movement to get rid of his defender or just shoots on his first touch. His tenacity makes up for his little size, examples are him outmuscling Lenglet to score the opener agaisnt Barcelona in 2019/2020 or his action against Amrabat when we scored the 2-1 agaisnt Fiorentina at home last year. Lautaro doesn't get bullied off the ball.

Tunnel vision? Low IQ? Call it what you want I can see what you're talking about I agree but is it THAT bad? He is a striker and still young, that's to be expected, also let's not act like Vlahovic is a genius on the pitch. Lautaro is also able to do nice long passes to switch side or recycle possession like here or on Hakimi's goal against Roma for example iirc. He does have pretty good vision on his day but a lot of the time he is like a bull, that's true.

I think other than that, Lautaro has also great qualities that are useful to the team, he is like top 1% in Europe in tackles and interceptions for attackers or something like that, he provides great pressing and activity. He has a great first touch most of the time when he is not trying too hard. He is an aerial threat as well despite being rather short. But most importantly and I think it's not talked about enough, he has an insane offensive positioning. There are goals that he scored that were just the fruit of him being able to lose his defender and run in the correct space with the correct timing and that's for me his best characteristic. His second goal against Milan last year, his goal against Juventus in the Coppa, his last minute header against Torino and so on... Especially that Torino goal, the movement, positioning and finishing are very very high level, very difficult to execute. On that level he was always better than Lukaku for example. He is very goot at that, I don't understand why people make it sound like he scores 17 tap-ins to make it 4-0 in the season, most of his goals are impotant goals that need skill. He is already a good player who can improve and turn into a great player, imo.
 
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I wonder how you're so sure of Vlahovic having the potential of being the main man in our attack and at the same time so sure that Lautaro is gonna stagnate at the (high level) he is already at. We have way more data about Lautaro than Vlahovic and the data says that from the moment he walked through the door to now, Lautaro has never stopped getting better. Sure he is not reliable 100% of the time but neither is Vlahovic. No one can even see Lautaro's ceiling yet.
Did you ever watch pre-prime Falcao (22-24 years)? Similar in style and stature to Lautoro, not particular strong or quick, athletic or skillful, but when he played there were glimpses/moments where he was a level above everyone, sharper, quicker and more resilient in mind and body than his counterparts. So far, Lautoro doesn't have these "OH MY GOD, HE'S NOT HUMAN!" moments of brilliance. Vlaho kind of has one with that stoppage time goal. And again, Vlaho has the build, strength, size, physicality, skill and speed to pull it off.

I'd like to add that you'd be hard pressed to find a more staunch Lautoro fan on FIF than me, I love his skillset and doggedness and just because I don't foresee him becoming a world class striker, doesn't mean he doesn't have a place here. But unfortunately Inter is a team that is reliant on individual brilliance to win games, so while Lautoro has a place here, we would still need to invest in a player who can bring that.
 

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Tbh none of what Lautaro or Vlahovic did yet ever made me think "he's not human".
Vlahovic scored a solo goal ? So what ? Didn't Lautaro do the same ? Multiple times ?

Also what about everything other than the goals/type of goals ? A player like Lautaro when he is on his day is an absolute nightmare to deal with for the opponents and makes the whole team play better, imo.

But I think repeating the same arguments over and over is pointless. It's fine we'll see in the future. I'm absolutely confident Lautaro has what it takes and can get even better especially if we keep playing with 2 strikers.
 

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Only Haaland and Mbappe give me those "wtf????" vibes.
But they also give several awkward wtf moments as well :D
 

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Did you ever watch pre-prime Falcao (22-24 years)? Similar in style and stature to Lautoro, not particular strong or quick, athletic or skillful, but when he played there were glimpses/moments where he was a level above everyone, sharper, quicker and more resilient in mind and body than his counterparts. So far, Lautoro doesn't have these "OH MY GOD, HE'S NOT HUMAN!" moments of brilliance. Vlaho kind of has one with that stoppage time goal. And again, Vlaho has the build, strength, size, physicality, skill and speed to pull it off.

I'd like to add that you'd be hard pressed to find a more staunch Lautoro fan on FIF than me, I love his skillset and doggedness and just because I don't foresee him becoming a world class striker, doesn't mean he doesn't have a place here. But unfortunately Inter is a team that is reliant on individual brilliance to win games, so while Lautoro has a place here, we would still need to invest in a player who can bring that.
Seems like your criteria of judging whether lautaro can carry our attack or not is grossly subjective. "How many of us would be comfortable to lose dzeko?", "omg, he's not human". As Verathia pointed, his goals weren't exactly tap ins and useless in a sense that we already won and didn't really need a goal. Last season despite not being the main guy, he had almost the same open goal tally as our main guy Lukaku. He's not even far in terms of goal scoring compared to Dzeko this season. All he needs is to improve his composure and we'll be good.
 

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Did you ever watch pre-prime Falcao (22-24 years)? Similar in style and stature to Lautoro, not particular strong or quick, athletic or skillful, but when he played there were glimpses/moments where he was a level above everyone, sharper, quicker and more resilient in mind and body than his counterparts. So far, Lautoro doesn't have these "OH MY GOD, HE'S NOT HUMAN!" moments of brilliance. Vlaho kind of has one with that stoppage time goal. And again, Vlaho has the build, strength, size, physicality, skill and speed to pull it off.

I'd like to add that you'd be hard pressed to find a more staunch Lautoro fan on FIF than me, I love his skillset and doggedness and just because I don't foresee him becoming a world class striker, doesn't mean he doesn't have a place here. But unfortunately Inter is a team that is reliant on individual brilliance to win games, so while Lautoro has a place here, we would still need to invest in a player who can bring that.
Honesty Balotelli much more had more moments of brilliance than Lautaro.
Lautaro is top striker, on other hand Balotelli had world class talent to become one of the best.

In our team only Barella and Skriniar who had WTF moments of brilliance at the moment i think.
 
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Seems like your criteria of judging whether lautaro can carry our attack or not is grossly subjective.
Feel free to share your own "this man is not human" moment or your own criteria for the same.
"How many of us would be comfortable to lose dzeko?"
You guys keep ducking this question so I'll ask again, if Dzeko were to be out for the season thusly making Lautoro our main guy (which he should already be in any case), would you be 100% confident of a top 4 finish? Or would we need to sign another "main" striker to contribute 20 goals?

Vlahovic scored a solo goal ? So what ?
Stop hating. For a 19 year old? debut season? against the mighty Inter? Show me these wonderful solo goal by Lautoro.

Also what about everything other than the goals/type of goals ? A player like Lautaro when he is on his day is an absolute nightmare to deal with for the opponents and makes the whole team play better, imo.
I already explained I love Toro's game. But he has limitations.
 

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Stop hating. For a 19 year old? debut season? against the mighty Inter? Show me these wonderful solo goal by Lautoro.
He scored on a counter running in a straight line, granted with a great shot but with Handanovic being passive on the shot, please.

Lautaro's solo goals?

And given that football is not about solo goals, have these too:
https://youtu.be/dkqBwRLwIIc?t=223
https://youtu.be/hDbkv5jxNf8?t=38
https://youtu.be/ISqSTGLhYRM?t=166

Now YOU stop hating.
 
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You guys keep ducking this question so I'll ask again, if Dzeko were to be out for the season thusly making Lautoro our main guy (which he should already be in any case), would you be 100% confident of a top 4 finish? Or would we need to sign another "main" striker to contribute 20 goals?

Lautaro can be our main striker if we get a second striker does contribute what Lautaro now contributes as a second striker: 15 goals per season, great off-the-ball movement, a lot of running and incesant pressuring the opponent.
 

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Yeah, and that's not gonna happen (that we can get such striker partner for him). Lautaro is very effective as the second striker, even when he doesn't score, he's valuable with his hard press and constant movement, trying to get space.

Expecting a big game from him tomorrow. Goal would be nice.
 

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Lautaro can be our main striker if we get a second striker does contribute what Lautaro now contributes as a second striker: 15 goals per season, great off-the-ball movement, a lot of running and incesant pressuring the opponent.
Great point, that's how fucking huge he is. I'll enjoy him being here for as long as we can before he leaves.
 

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He scored on a counter running in a straight line, granted with a great shot but with Handanovic being passive on the shot, please.
Could Lautoro do that vs Skrinair and Handanovic?

Now YOU stop hating.
Toro is my boy, how could I hate?

Anyway these are all good goals. But none are special or memorable or contenders for goal of the season. The Dortmund goal, eh, kinda, the Atletico goal I've been holding onto all these years but he hasn't pulled off anything close to that all these years later. And that was in a friendly game.

Lets me put it another way: Toro isn't going to out muscle or out pace any quality defender, so he's therefore 99% reliant on his football IQ/movement/conversion and thusly, quality service which is problematic for us because - outside of Barella and Dimarco - our service is typically trash. This means those 1v1 moments vs Courtois, 9 times out of 10, have to go in.

Again, you haven't answered whether you'd be comfortable with Lautoro being the focus of our attacks. Personally I'm not convinced.
 

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Again, you haven't answered whether you'd be comfortable with Lautoro being the focus of our attacks.
Yes, I would. If we had a quality second striker to do the job he does right now.

By the way,. Lautaro scored against Courtois, Ramos and Varane, against Ter Stegen, Piqué and Lenglet, against Donnarumma and Kjaer, against De Ligt, Bonucci and Buffon, against Hummels, Akanji and Burki, I'm sure he could manage against Handanovic and Skriniar even though I think it's a weird way to judge a player.

Have you seen that guy Sébastien Thill ? He is scoring eurogoals after eurogoals against Elite goalkeepers and defenders.
 
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