Lecce - Inter (10 Nov 10)

[skeet]

Exactly Ham! I guess May 5th borns really are the most brilliant thinkers!

I agree :thumbsup:

 

[Almirony]

Oh I see. You're saying we were always disorganised, unballanced and all that, but these 2 weeks is the most we saw ?

So, my question is. When we were first in the CL group with 7 points after 3 games, when we were just few points below the leder in serie a standings, were we also disorganised, unballanced ?

ps. And to remind you, last year under Jose we also weren't at the top of the table at first, to put that into perspective. So no, we're not THAT GOOD, that we should be already +10 over the second team.
pps. Not to mention the SerieA, got again stronger this year.

Yes, we were! Did you see our games for God sake? I AM! (I have recorded all Inter games since 2008). I already said, Rafa and Mou has/had the same players. With Mou we crushed Chelsea and Barca, the two strongest teams. With Rafa, Lecce and Brescia looking like Chelsea and Barca to us. Any further discussion with you is useless. The Man who can I try to compare Mou and Rafa is completely out of mind. Look at Mou's percentage, look at Rafa's. Period. Off.

 

[Luka]

Yes, we were! Did you see our games for God sake? I AM! (I have recorded all Inter games since 2008). I already said, Rafa and Mou has/had the same players. With Mou we crushed Chelsea and Barca, the two strongest teams. With Rafa, Lecce and Brescia looking like Chelsea and Barca to us. Any further discussion with you is useless. The Man who can I try to compare Mou and Rafa is completely out of mind. Look at Mou's percentage, look at Rafa's. Period. Off.

Your post more and more resemble me of a typical rants. You just rant some general shit, and it is more about just throwing shit on our coach, than some constructive discussion.

You said, that with Mou we crushed Chelsea and Barca, the two strongest teams. This argument is so simple to counter, I'm sure anybody can do it, even the ones who are against Rafa (but are smart enough).

But anyway, could you please give us the starting lineups of our games against say Barcelona, and our games agains either Brescia or Lecce ? If you'll coward away, I'll do it for you, but maybe you're man enough.

 

[Ikki]

If sitting 11 players in your own penalty box is smashing a team...then yeah, Mourinho smashed Barca.

Ironically, right now you have a team that dominates possession. Even against Lecce and Brescia your possession stats were 60+ which is incredibly high - especially since Cambiasso and Motta are out.

 

[Stefan]

If sitting 11 players in your own penalty box is smashing a team...then yeah, Mourinho smashed Barca.

Ironically, right now you have a team that dominates possession. Even against Lecce and Brescia your possession stats were 60+ which is incredibly high - especially since Cambiasso and Motta are out.

I would rather sit 11 players in my box and win then have 60% possesion but fail to get the three points. The result is what matters anything else is just an added bonus.

 

[skeet]

If sitting 11 players in your own penalty box is smashing a team...then yeah, Mourinho smashed Barca.

no, giving pep's barca their biggest defeat and making their playing style seem pointless and redundant at the san siro is smashing them

 

[interfan1970]

Yes, we were! Did you see our games for God sake? I AM! (I have recorded all Inter games since 2008). I already said, Rafa and Mou has/had the same players. With Mou we crushed Chelsea and Barca, the two strongest teams. With Rafa, Lecce and Brescia looking like Chelsea and Barca to us. Any further discussion with you is useless. The Man who can I try to compare Mou and Rafa is completely out of mind. Look at Mou's percentage, look at Rafa's. Period. Off.

I'm not interested in arguing, I just want to ask a question or two.

1. How can you compare last season to this season? Inter won EVERYTHING last season. It was a magical season, one which will make this season pale in comparison. Wouldn't a better comparison be to compare Jose's first season with Inter to this one?
2. When Inter defeated Chelsea and Barca the team was in mid season form. How can you compare that to right now, in which Inter are in the middle of a bit of an injury crisis?

I don't doubt Many would love to see Jose back, but personally his lack of loyalty is vulgar. The first chance he had to leave, he did. Give Rafa a chance. It's not as if Inter are at the bottom of the table. They are 3 points behind the leaders and could still win 3 trophies this season.

 

[NimAraya]

I'm not interested in arguing, I just want to ask a question or two.

1. How can you compare last season to this season? Inter won EVERYTHING last season. It was a magical season, one which will make this season pale in comparison. Wouldn't a better comparison be to compare Jose's first season with Inter to this one?
2. When Inter defeated Chelsea and Barca the team was in mid season form. How can you compare that to right now, in which Inter are in the middle of a bit of an injury crisis?

I don't doubt Many would love to see Jose back, but personally his lack of loyalty is vulgar. The first chance he had to leave, he did. Give Rafa a chance. It's not as if Inter are at the bottom of the table. They are 3 points behind the leaders and could still win 3 trophies this season.

:thumbsup:

 

[Almirony]

Your post more and more resemble me of a typical rants. You just rant some general shit, and it is more about just throwing shit on our coach, than some constructive discussion.

You said, that with Mou we crushed Chelsea and Barca, the two strongest teams. This argument is so simple to counter, I'm sure anybody can do it, even the ones who are against Rafa (but are smart enough).

But anyway, could you please give us the starting lineups of our games against say Barcelona, and our games agains either Brescia or Lecce ? If you'll coward away, I'll do it for you, but maybe you're man enough.

You do what you have to do. I'm not interested to discuss with you anymore. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND FOOTBALL AND COACHING, BY ALL MEANS! If the way how football team plays and has own philosophy depends on missing players, and if you want to have more possession then it's better for you to go and watch basketball/handball or something else. Enjoy in yours pathetic, childish, useless arguments. I'm too old to discuss with you. And take Rafa with you please! Again, I'M OFF! :stop:

 

[DARi0]

"The Lecce game is very important for the team's confidence. There are three points to win and we will win them. "

- Rafa, before the game :facepalm:

 

[Almirony]

I'm not interested in arguing, I just want to ask a question or two.

1. How can you compare last season to this season? Inter won EVERYTHING last season. It was a magical season, one which will make this season pale in comparison. Wouldn't a better comparison be to compare Jose's first season with Inter to this one?
2. When Inter defeated Chelsea and Barca the team was in mid season form. How can you compare that to right now, in which Inter are in the middle of a bit of an injury crisis?

I don't doubt Many would love to see Jose back, but personally his lack of loyalty is vulgar. The first chance he had to leave, he did. Give Rafa a chance. It's not as if Inter are at the bottom of the table. They are 3 points behind the leaders and could still win 3 trophies this season.

I'm not compare seasons and I don't compare Rafa's and Mou's work. That is uncomparable. Reason for that: Rafa has found perfect team without glitches, CL winners. When Inter defeated Chelsea and Barca, we have bad period in Seria A, but we always played like a team, from the first match until last match of the season. With Rafa, team works falling apart.

 

[Luka]

You do what you have to do. I'm not interested to discuss with you anymore. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND FOOTBALL AND COACHING, BY ALL MEANS! If the way how football team plays and has own philosophy depends on missing players, and if you want to have more possession then it's better for you to go and watch basketball/handball or something else. Enjoy in yours pathetic, childish, useless arguments. I'm too old to discuss with you. And take Rafa with you please! Again, I'M OFF! :stop:

First of all, we could sit on our ass, and our chances to win would be not greater, but much slimmer than now, because Lecce ain't team who likes to involve many players in offensive stage, and keep posession. They are typical lower end of the table team, who is focusing their strategy on countering, especialy against big teams. For Lecce a draw with Inter is a great result, for us it's not. So either way, WE HAD TO ATTACK. And you can't sit on your ass and counter, if the other team is keeping 6-8 players on their half of the pitch, the whole time. What do you think Jose would do, just wait for a chance to counter ? He would try to do exactly what Rafa did, and what Jose always did in those type of games - ATTACK AND TRY TO SCORE A GOAL, because for you it's mandatory, for the opposition NOT.

But to my original point. You've said:

"With Mou we crushed Chelsea and Barca, the two strongest teams. With Rafa, Lecce and Brescia looking like Chelsea and Barca to us."

Well, lets say a starting lineup for either of Barca games:



Now our, lets say recent game, to make it more fun:



Oh YEAH

Now that's a mystery

 

[Macktk]

^^ Our team won the CL so it should have some good substitutes and they should be able to win a match against shitty Lecce that's for sure. We were not playing Barca for god's sake so stop making excuses for Rafa. The guy lost 2-0 against atletico madrid and he had every player of the CL squad playing. HE'S A MESS
And if mou was running inter in this match he would've won coz he knows how to maintain a very organized team structure, but with rafa, the team is everywhere on the field. One thing is for sure, Rafa needs to buy some players for the team. and as much as it hurts I've got to admit that inter is going to win scratch this year. 3-1 against tottenham is embarrassing and I'm sure it's not going to be the last of Inter's defeats as long as this dummy is managing the team.

 

[Luka]

^^ Our team won the CL so it should have some good substitutes and they should be able to win a match against shitty Lecce that's for sure.

How bout backing up your claim ? You say our team won the CL and we should have some good substitutes, as if it was a fact.

Show us those substitutes that we had last year.

The guy lost 2-0 against atletico madrid and he had every player of the CL squad playing. HE'S A MESS

Jose lost to Panathinaikos.

Was he also a mess ?

 

[Macktk]

At the start of the season i specifically remember that Rafa said that he doesn't want to bring any new players to the team, so he should be able to deal with his choices. Last but not least, HE'S PLAYING LECCE.

We defeated Chelsea in stamford bridge, now we get annihilated by the like of tottenham. We're the 4th in the serie and tbh i don't see the team making it's way back to the top of the table anytime soon. He's the one running the team so if there are no good players playing then that's his fault.

The guy got sacked by liverpool for a reason you know

 

[Luka]

The probable formation by the gazzetta:
Cesar,
Cordoba, Matrix, Lucio, Chivu,
Capitano, Stanko,
Pandev, Sneijder, Eto'o,
Milito.

NO WAY! Cordoba RB, Matrix CB, Chivu LB, Pandev winger. bad formation.

Goalkeepers: Julio Cesar 1, 12 Luca Castellazzi, 21 Paolo Orlandoni;

Defenders: 2 Ivan Cordoba, 4 Javier Zanetti, 6 Lucio, 23 Marco Materazzi, 26 Cristian Chivu, 39 Davide Santon;

Midfielders: 5 Dejan Stankovic, 10 Wesley Sneijder, 19 Esteban Cambiasso, 20 Joel Obi, 29 Coutinho, 30 Mancini, 40, Obiora Nwankwo;

Forwards: Samuel Eto'o 9, 22 Diego Milito, 27 Goran Pandev, 88 Jonathan Biabiany.

Since when derbies are played with Lecce ?

At the start of the season i specifically remember that Rafa said that he doesn't want to bring any new players to the team, so he should be able to deal with his choices.

Don't evade my questions. What you've said doesn't relate to them.

As for what you've said here... LOL. You want to make me believe Rafa was ok with this situation ? Maybe he said what he said, but I can find many other interviews of his where he says he expect someone to come and so on and so forth.

 

[Macktk]

I am not evading your question, i don't have to talk about each player in the formation, what i'm saying is that this formation with these players can definitely beat Lecce. I'm not saying that they are as good as our primary formation, I'm not saying that this formation should stand up for barca or even milan. I'm saying that this formation can beat Lecce. Eto (the one man show), Pandev (I hate this guy but mou used him on several occasions), zanetti, lucio, chivu and rafa's favorites coutinho and biabiany (who i have many objections concerning them btw) should be up to the task.

What I'm trying to say is that these players are not top notch but mou knew how to best use them to support the team especially if he's playing a team like lecce.

We can't keep making excuses for the guy all the time.

 

[Luka]

What I'm trying to say is that these players are not top notch but mou knew how to best use them to support the team especially if he's playing a team like lecce.

No. What you're saying is that we as fans, should demand a result, while keeping a blind eye on circumstances. That's what you're saying.

You're one of those fans, who will make any idology for Jose times, just because he helped us achieve big things last season. The result is a starting point for you guys. At the same time, you'll throw any shit on the current coach, for doing some things wrong, or loosing here and there, even though the same things did Jose too (lost here and there, and made some things wrong), just because the result is not there. I've already lived through it with Jose so I know.

Once Jose won he turned into God, but just 6 months earlier the picture was so different.

Same thing is happening with Rafa, but once (hopefully he will) he achieves something big, he will be another Jose, while the new guy will be current Benitez.

You've said:

"Our team won the CL so it should have some good substitutes and they should be able to win a match against shitty Lecce that's for sure."

Show us those substitutes, cause you're the guy, that thinks only in terms of result, not in terms of circumstances. Even if we had 25 players injured, you'll still say we should win.

 

[Macktk]

YES I'M A FAN WHO DEMANDS THE TEAM TO WIN AGAINST LECCE. IF YOU THINK IT'S OKAY TO NOT WIN WHEN PLAYING LECCE, IF YOU THINK IT'S OK TO LOSE 2-0 TO ATLETICO MADRID WHEN THE TEAM WAS IN ITS BEST SHAPE, IF YOU'RE THE FAN WHO THINK THAT ITS OK TO LOSE AGAINST TOTTENHAM THEN I SUGGEST YOU START CHEERING FOR SOME OTHER TEAM BECAUSE INTER IS A WINNING TEAM.

GOD it's so f'n pointless discussing anything with you. OVER AND OUT

 

[perika]

YES I'M A FAN WHO DEMANDS THE TEAM TO WIN AGAINST LECCE. IF YOU THINK IT'S OKAY TO NOT WIN WHEN PLAYING LECCE, IF YOU THINK IT'S OK TO LOSE 2-0 TO ATLETICO MADRID WHEN THE TEAM WAS IN ITS BEST SHAPE, IF YOU'RE THE FAN WHO THINK THAT ITS OK TO LOSE AGAINST TOTTENHAM THEN I SUGGEST YOU START CHEERING FOR SOME OTHER TEAM BECAUSE INTER IS A WINNING TEAM.

GOD it's so f'n pointless discussing anything with you. OVER AND OUT

cool man u need chill out for whille