Lucien Agoumé

[Corrode]

Classic Inter. Endless loan until contract expires, his value become zero and available for free.

 

[Gal]

new effort we pay 1/3rd his wages and loan him until his contract expires

Our specialty, we just love ruining young players careers by throwing them randomly around for 4-5 years, with no sort of plan, with no sort of keeping up with their progress and development (more like regression). If we don’t actually intend to actually use them, then release them or better don’t trap them into a contract in the first place. Let them find their own route instead of tossing them around for a half a decade long circus with the falls pretension that you might one day actually use them. It’s distasteful and disrespectful in that regard Nikon and Betsson seem to share a similar view of human life.

 

[RickyMaravilla'sRightFoot]

He's shown no real ability or potential or capability to break into a starting XI after 4 years in loan. He's 22 now.

Just get rid, whatever it takes.

I don’t think he will ever crack the inter starting 11, but I wouldn’t be so dismissive of him as a player. You say 22 like it’s old. Some players are barely walking out of Primavera football at 22 and Lucien is a relatively experienced young professional. He has some very favorable metrics if you want to parse the data (although football isn’t played on paper obviously).

He could be one or two good career moves away from being a really desirable player. Likewise, one or two bad career moves away from a career of relative anonymity.

 

[PHM1605]

Agoume was a starter at Sevilla, a good club from top league. Pretty impressive CV for a 22yo.. far from "no real ability".

Maybe we should leave him on loan one more season.

 

[.h.]

Agoume was a starter at Sevilla, a good club from top league. Pretty impressive CV for a 22yo.. far from "no real ability".

Maybe we should leave him on loan one more season.

Started six games in a row for a club that came 14th.

Let's not kid ourselves he ain't gonna make it. If he was half decent Sevilla would have kept him.

 

[.h.]

I don’t think he will ever crack the inter starting 11, but I wouldn’t be so dismissive of him as a player. You say 22 like it’s old. Some players are barely walking out of Primavera football at 22 and Lucien is a relatively experienced young professional. He has some very favorable metrics if you want to parse the data (although football isn’t played on paper obviously).

He could be one or two good career moves away from being a really desirable player. Likewise, one or two bad career moves away from a career of relative anonymity.

The fact that theres literally no demand for him probably says enough including from sevilla

 

[junior55]

Our specialty, we just love ruining young players careers by throwing them randomly around for 4-5 years, with no sort of plan, with no sort of keeping up with their progress and development (more like regression). If we don’t actually intend to actually use them, then release them or better don’t trap them into a contract in the first place. Let them find their own route instead of tossing them around for a half a decade long circus with the falls pretension that you might one day actually use them. It’s distasteful and disrespectful in that regard Nikon and Betsson seem to share a similar view of human life.

Then what do you expect the club to do with a player in whom they trust but not enough to be Inter calibre yet.
We don't have a B team to grow these players so all we can do is to loan them out and hope they find a healthy environment to grow

This has worked only with DiMarco because he blossomed under Juric otherwise even him would be in the same position of the likes of Esposito and others

 

[RickyMaravilla'sRightFoot]

The fact that theres literally no demand for him probably says enough including from sevilla

I wouldn’t necessarily say NO ONE is interested. It’s a question of what’s offered versus what we value him at, but no— he’s not a hot prospect for bigger teams.

Although how many times have we’ve seen a complete nobody become an expensive player, seemingly overnight, after 1 good season in their late 20’s? *cough* Gudmundsson *cough*

Again, not saying I’m against a sale, I actually think it’s the right thing to do as I stated above— but just because he’s not belle of the ball at 22 doesn’t mean he’ll never hack it at the top.

 

[.h.]

I wouldn’t necessarily say NO ONE is interested. It’s a question of what’s offered versus what we value him at, but no— he’s not a hot prospect for bigger teams.

Although how many times have we’ve seen a complete nobody become an expensive player, seemingly overnight, after 1 good season in their late 20’s? *cough* Gudmundsson *cough*

Again, not saying I’m against a sale, I actually think it’s the right thing to do as I stated above— but just because he’s not belle of the ball at 22 doesn’t mean he’ll never hack it at the top.

It's literally what his agent said tho

 

[PHM1605]

Started six games in a row for a club that came 14th.

Let's not kid ourselves he ain't gonna make it. If he was half decent Sevilla would have kept him.

Did you track Sevilla transfer record? They are broke. 8m is like double their biggest transfer sum this season.

They do rate Agoume high and want to bring him back:

Sevilla Pushing To Bring Back Inter Milan & France U21 Midfielder

Read this news on OneFootball.

onefootball.com

It's Inter whom don't rate Agoume. And you specifically... have you ever hyped any kid?

 

[Corrode]

Agoume was a starter at Sevilla, a good club from top league. Pretty impressive CV for a 22yo.. far from "no real ability".

Maybe we should leave him on loan one more season.

just sell him. Him, Kamate, Salcedo, Carboni, Radu, Satriano. It's time to gain profit from Inter youngsters from now. Inter B team can maximize their resale value and maximize revenues to the club.

 

[.h.]

From our primavera? Not so much. I am excited about people like Zanotti and Fabbian, who show a lot of consistent game time at an u-20 age and progress quicky "up" through the tiers. People who have plateaued and fail to break into the first team on a very consistent basis by 22 are very unlikely to make it for Inter

 

[PHM1605]

just sell him. It's time to gain profit from Inter youngsters from now. Inter B team can maximize their resale value and maximize revenues to the club.

Not the right time. Agoume has only been on verge of starting for Sevilla. One more season with many more minutes could boost his value a lot. Now he is still more on "Inter reject" side than "Sevilla starter" side.

Hujsen Illing-Jr and Soule don't break into Juve lineup either but they are generating cash like crazy. That's the benefits of kids. On the contrary to Klaassen type-of-deals..wasting time and salary but zero return.

 

[.h.]

Agoume is a 22 year old, 4x loan failure. Your two examples are younger and way more successful

 

[.h.]

just sell him. Him, Kamate, Salcedo, Carboni, Radu, Satriano. It's time to gain profit from Inter youngsters from now. Inter B team can maximize their resale value and maximize revenues to the club.

Dunno who kamate is but I mostly agree with this list

 

[PHM1605]

Agoume is a 22 year old, 4x loan failure. Your two examples are younger and way more successful

Nobody counts loan failures. Pinamonti or Gregorio failed many loan spells but their last but still generate 20m cash, each. At his mid 20s.

Jesus Christ can you just put your statistics aside? 22yo is not old.

 

[.h.]

Nobody counts loan failures. Pinamonti or Gregorio failed many loan spells but their last but still generate 20m cash, each. At his mid 20s.

Jesus Christ can you just put your statistics aside? 22yo is not old.

"Please ignore the data"
Lols

Di Gregorio has been playing regular starter since he was 20? And he's progressed on an upwards trajectory that entire time.


Pinamonti has been a regular first team starter since he was aged 19.

Which all defends the exact point I've been making.



It's more about experience than anything. It's like if you missed two years of first team football at the most critical point in your career - you're playing catch up to other people who have the experience you now don't have.

Football is more competitive than ever, and as I've said for ages, you can afford one maybe two bad years on loan but not more.

 

[PHM1605]

"Please ignore the data"
Lols

Di Gregorio has been playing regular starter since he was 20? And he's progressed on an upwards trajectory that entire time.


Pinamonti has been a regular first team starter since he was aged 19.

Which all defends the exact point I've been making.



It's more about experience than anything. It's like if you missed two years of first team football at the most critical point in your career - you're playing catch up to other people who have the experience you now don't have.

Football is more competitive than ever, and as I've said for ages, you can afford one maybe two bad years on loan but not more.

That's what I said, giving more minutes to Agoume to start before selling him. You are treating him like trash and dumping for a chocolate bar or something. (coz there is no offer but Sevilla free loan)

Pinamonti at that age was riding Inter bench.
Di Gregorio at that age was Serie C1 or B player. Just admit you would have crossed them out too with such low tier profiles. And they prove you wrong.

I say scrap the statistics because we are discussing outliers. 90% or what doesn't matter. And yes, Agoume is an Primavera outlier, unless you could name me one more starting at top leagues. 6 matches or not.

 

[.h.]

Andrea Pinamonti aged 21-22 was eating Inter bench, correct, but for the 2 prior years already had 59 Serie A games and played almost 4k minutes across those two seasons, and was in high demand (1600 minutes then 2400 minutes the season after). Agoume's last two seasons actually arent too far off at 3k minutes, but his first season was 2k minutes and his second one was only 1k as he moved into a harder league.

That's entirely the point. PROGRESSION. Agoume shows no fucking progression in the 4 years he's been out on loan. The whole point of developmental loans is to... develop. You gotta see it like getting promotions at work. Show that you're more than capable of the challenge ahead of you, and you'll get more responsibility. Youth players need to show consistent improvement to find out what their level is. If they cant 'beat' the challenge in front of them, then you've likely found their level (like I said, you get one or two 'bad' seasons to adapt, too). Agoume has completely plateaued at the first level he got a chance to try, and now no one in Europe aside from maybe Sevilla want him.

Youth players who dont develop over 2, 3, 4 seasons we need to cut.

I've never ever really said the *level* they're playing at is massively significant, but what is significant is the PROGRESSION.

Same with Di Gregorio. What you see is *clear* and consistent progression. Aged 20, 3k minutes in Serie C, Aged 21 2700 minutes in Serie C, Aged 22 3k minutes in Serie B, Aged 23 2k5 minutes Serie B, aged 24 3k3 minutes Serie B, aged 25 3k3 minutes Serie A


Thats why I dont have any time for Satriano, Agoume, Esposito, etc. Fuckers show no progression. I dont care what level people start off at, they need to show consistent starting and progressively improving. Otherwise they're just il nuovo Longo/Mei.


The 'ideal' progression for a youth player - and last time I ran the data, something like >90% of our first team conformed to this - is that you play at some level aged 18, doesnt really matter what, but semi-regular game time. By 18/19, you're a first team regular at some level, often Serie B, not rarely top level (in some country). 19/20 you're probably a 'strong' first team starter, probably at the top level (e.g. the top league, even if in a weaker country)


I have never found the report since, but I saw like 15 years ago a report that said City ran some data and 75% of players in the CL latter stages were first team REGULARS playing in the CL by the time they were 18.

Reality is, its a fucking competitive trajectory, experience *really* matters, and while some exceptions do exist, the vast majority of players who dont follow that trajectory wont make it

Look at Inter, something like 50% of our youth graduates arent even professional footballers anymore in what should be the peak of their career

 

[.h.]

Lets run some data:

Player	Status aged 18	Status aged 21	Status aged 24
Sommer	Starter for Basel U21 (4th tier)	9 games Basel first team	Full starter for Basel first team (113 top flight games)
Martinez	Youth at Barca	Starter 2nd division Spain for Las Palmas	Starter for Genoa Serie B (30 games that year)
De Vrij	Starter at Feyenoord - already 47 first team league games	Starter Feyenoord - over 100 league games at first team	Starter at Lazio, almost 200 first team games by then including 1 season with bad knee injury (?)
Acerbi	Playing 1-2 games at Pavia, not really a squad player	Two seasons (~45 games) at Serie D level	Progressed up to playing for Milan with almost 100 games total, but a bit of a dip at Milan this season
Pavard	Starter for Lille 2, squad player for Lille	Starter for Stuttgart in Bundesliga, 34 pro games this season	About 100 games at Bundesliga level as a regular starter, now at Bayern Munich
Carlos Augusto	Corinthias Youth	Regular starter for Monza	Regular player for Inter, already 70 Serie A games under his belt
Bisseck	Regular player for Koln 2, some games for Koln	Starter in Danish superliga	TBC but squad player for Inter already
Dimarco	12 games at Serie B level for Ascoli	2nd season in Serie A, 28 games under his belt at Serie B level	32 games this season at Inter, probably about 100 Serie A under his belt by now
Darmian	2 appearances for Milan first team	22 games in Serie B	30 games in Serie A for Torino this season, ~50 Serie A games under his belt

I cant be fucked doing the rest of the squad, but hopefully you see the progression. Every single one of those players (I left out di gennaro but otherwise started from the top of the squad down) significantly improves over 18-21-24.

Whats Agoume?


Aged 18, 12 Serie A games for Spezia
Aged 21, 15 Ligue 1 games for Troyes


No progression. I'm willing to bet this guy doesnt look much better by the time he's 24, which isnt that far away.




Note this isnt about Agoume, this is about my expectation of youth players. In general, I expect people to be a squad-level player (whatever level that is) by 18, a regular by 21, and then into 'break through' by 24. The only real exceptions to that above are the keepers, and Acerbi who was a very late bloomer