Lucien Agoumé

[ADRossi]

i wonder how many minutes he'd have played if he had Gagliardini or Sensi's role last year? And I wonder how his development would be going if he'd had those minutes instead of the time he did?

Agreed on both counts. We don't do a good job finding opportunities to play these guys. When we're up 3-0 in a Serie A match we still default to subbing on Arnautovic and Darmian.

Bisseck and Bastoni are a couple examples of how you can be pleasantly surprised when you give guys a chance. Obviously Bastoni was expensive/highly rated before Conte started him.

That's why I'm so against the Palacios signing. We will never find enough minutes for him at Inter to make it worthwhile for anyone involved.

 

[.h.]

I know Im v repetitive on this, but really an U23 team will make such a difference. You can give them good playing time, and when a serious need comes up (as it did for Bisseck, for example), they can be available. Right now we either decide to keep someone on bench with very few minutes, or send them out to loan to develop. It shouldnt be so binary

 

[Kramerica Industries]

That's why I'm so against the Palacios signing. We will never find enough minutes for him at Inter to make it worthwhile for anyone involved.

Well, isn't this a little contradictory from your previous post then? If we have a problem with not giving young players sufficient playing time, instead giving too much time to grandpas instead, then the solution isn't to just say "fuck the kids" and not bother making these signings. In an indirect way, Oaktree might be leading us down a better path then if they're basically going to tell us to fuck off with any future Arnautovic-type signings.

If we struck out with Agoumé, I'd still rather try to find the next Agoumé and hope we've learned some lessons and have a better process next time as opposed to just ignoring the next Agoumé entirely. And, not for nothing, literally the only thing Bisseck had working for him as opposed to Palacios is that he's European. Otherwise, he came for a cheaper fee and played in a lower league than Palacios did. (They were about the same age when we signed them.) Bisseck eventually got a chance, performed, and played his way into a bigger role, more playing time, and now is a counted-on player in our team. Who knows if Palacios won't find the same opportunities?

 

[.h.]

it comes down to opportunity, tbh. If we look at Bisseck, or many of the Juve breakthroughs, its because there's an unexpected vacancy in the first team - long term injury, etc. Bisseck's first real game time was Pavard out IIRC? and Dimarco we held onto and gave time after Perisic got old and rotated/asked to leave

We've actually been fairly lucky in the lsat few years with no major injury spells (now is probably one of the worst with 4 defenders out?), and we have decent flexibility in our players who are in the squad + a deeper squad. Look at how fucking small Juve's squad is, they've got no chance but to play some kids.

 

[Il Drago]

i wonder how many minutes he'd have played if he had Gagliardini or Sensi's role last year? And I wonder how his development would be going if he'd had those minutes instead of the time he did?

I think you have mixed it up a bit. Last year Gagliardini was gone and Sensi was barely playing. The one who was taking minutes from Agoume, who was at Inter in the first six months, was a finished Klaassen. We chose to bring and give minutes to a finished player like Klaassen who had flopped everywhere outside Nertherlands over a youngster.

And that's the core of the problem at this club. They're allergic in playing youngsters. They even prefer giving minutes to finished players who offer absolutely notthing over "the risk" of a youngster. They only play youngsters as a last resort.

And that's why i welcome Oaktree policy with all its flaws. World of football has evolved into trusting yougsters. Only Italy are stuck to the experienced players philosophy of past decades. And this will only change by force or necessity.

 

[.h.]

I was literally just replying to adrossis post

Klaassen played 195 minutes of Serie A at Inter

Now he's scored like 6 goals this season at Ajax already

This "finishes" klaassen seems better than young Agoume.

 

[Il Drago]

I was literally just replying to adrossis post

Klaassen played 195 minutes of Serie A at Inter

Now he's scored like 6 goals this season at Ajax already

This "finishes" klaassen seems better than young Agoume.

You said it yourself. At Ajax. In Eredivisie.

What did he do at Inter? A big fat zero.

At a top level he is finished.

 

[.h.]

You said it yourself. At Ajax. In Eredivisie.

What did he do at Inter? A big fat zero.

At a top level he is finished.

Yeah, and is probably still a better player right now than Agoume ATM
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[NimAraya]

Yeah, and is probably still a better player right now than Agoume ATM
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"Probably". We should stop guessing and start seeing what our youngsters can offer on the pitch and not continue the assumption that "just because our coach does not trust the youngsters, then they must not be Inter material."

 

[CafeCordoba]

You said it yourself. At Ajax. In Eredivisie.

What did he do at Inter? A big fat zero.

At a top level he is finished.

Top level is quite a narrow range then if Ajax is nothing to you. I think Klaassen can play but we simply had better players in the squad.

"Probably". We should stop guessing and start seeing what our youngsters can offer on the pitch and not continue the assumption that "just because our coach does not trust the youngsters, then they must not be Inter material."

Are you suggesting someone else should decide who's good enough for the squad and deserve playing time than the coach?

 

[RotterdamNerazzurri]

Top level is quite a narrow range then if Ajax is nothing to you. I think Klaassen can play but we simply had better players in the squad.

Historically seen this Ajax is one of the worst ever. Klaassen is completely done. And he is so for the last couple of seasons. They where not wrong to force him out, it’s just they are on a different place than 2 seasons ago (no money, not a good squad etc.) atm.

Klaassen is THE example of how we fail to integrate youth to our senior squad. He brought nothing more than a Akinsanmiro for example, while costing most probably 10 times more. And I’m not saying Akinsanmiro is the better player here or that he Will ever be good enough for Inter. It’s just that Klaassen wasn’t either.

 

[.h.]

Seems like a midfielder who is completely done scores more often than our captain and 10m/year star striker.

 

[Adriano@10]

Seems like a midfielder who is completely done scores more often than our captain and 10m/year star striker.

When you say completely unrelated and useless stuff just to stir up the pot....

 

[.h.]

When you say completely unrelated and useless stuff just to stir up the pot....

Drawing an important parallel about the definition of "useless". Reality is Klaassen now is probably playing at a better level than Agoume. Inter fans around here have a habit of massively overrating our youth and underestimating the step up to inter squad Vs being in the squad of some shit fuck team like Sevilla or Empoli

Point here someone who was pretty pointless at Inter can go on and be a star at a Europa League side, and we are trying to draw parallels with youth kids who barely start regularly in relegation candidates

 

[HernanesLeftFoot88]

Seems like a midfielder who is completely done scores more often than our captain and 10m/year star striker.

Poor Lautaro!
Agoume was good on the ball but his main weakness was off the ball - hence Conte never fancied him and no doubt why Inzaghi didnt. If your positioning is off or youre too slow to notice things happening youre not suited to Serie A and should prob go elsewhere.

 

[Adriano@10]

Drawing an important parallel about the definition of "useless". Reality is Klaassen now is probably playing at a better level than Agoume. Inter fans around here have a habit of massively overrating our youth and underestimating the step up to inter squad Vs being in the squad of some shit fuck team like Sevilla or Empoli

Point here someone who was pretty pointless at Inter can go on and be a star at a Europa League side, and we are trying to draw parallels with youth kids who barely start regularly in relegation candidates

Bro I was just messing around honestly confused why we are talking Klassen in agoume thread and to lazy to go back.....
Also my point was that lauti not scoring or being on 10mio per season has 0 to do with how good or bad klaassen/agoume are.....

Generally i fully agree that we way overhype our own youngsters the amount of primavera players who according to fif would be class players if only they got playing time at inter that then end up in serie B or mediocre serie a teams without standing out is way too high for that not to be true....

Also the primavera player who amounted to most in the last 20 years is with us and playing... and yes it s dimarco and it s not even close dude is one of the best in his position.

 

[.h.]

not really following him but looks like he hasnt been a consistent starter for them really this season & dropped the last few games too. averages ~50 minutes per match across his 21 appearances