Luis Jiménez

[Tanel]

I partly agree with poster above. (If it's still Johnny Ludlow when I'm posting)

We don't need a playmaker that is so vital to link up between attack and midfielder. We have that link with our own unique style of play. But we've seen that link get annulled if some certain players like Cambi are missing. For that we need a player who can change the games around in midfield if necessary with some brilliance, someone who is tough to mark and take some responsibility of magic off Ibra's back.

I think Jimenez is the type of the player that can do it. But now we just have to see which level he can play upto and can he do it consistently. Whether he's one for Fiorentina, Fenerbache or for Milan, Barcelona etc.

I'm not happy with the words and sentences I've used, but I hope you understand my message.

 

[Handoyo]

Totally agreed with Johnny Ludlow. We haven't played with a playmaker throughout this thoroughly successful 1 1/2 seasons so why should we change our system? Do we want to become like Milan, where our attacking plays solely depend on Pirlo's form or Kaka's moment of magics?

If we can create chances from anywhere on the pitch and score with any player, I see it as a positive thing, rather than a negative one. It means that our play is diversified and even if you stop someone, the other players will punish you.

And let's give Jimenez some more chance. Even though he might not get involved with the team yet, this is only his fourth 'constant' match and three goals is a very good return. So let's give him more time to gel with the team before handing our judgment on him.

 

[Hammoudi]

I personally I am not fixated at playmaker, so call Jimenez a playmaker, an attacking midfielder, a half-striker etc. etc.

My point is that if you want to judge him so far as a midfielder, then he hasn't done much. If you judge him as a forward, then he has been great.

So let's give him chance and neither exaggerate (as is happening) or overcriticize him.

 

[Rimpel]

This whole conversation is going nowhere since there is this weird presupposition in all threads of this forum; the one that we need a playmaker. Why would we ever need a playmaker? Why can't Ibra set up goals and Jimenez score them, why can't Cambiasso set up and score some, what is the problem if our goal comes through Stankovic long shot or Materazzi header? We grind goals, are strong, reliable, clinical, and you want to change the way we play. Uh.

This idea about we needing a playmaker in big Euro games is absolutely random - the way we play is in fact alot more difficult for strong opponents to stop than if we had a pure playmaker. I love the way we play. We might need a new attacking midfielder, but his role is not going to be the singular reference point of our offensive game.

give this man a cookie, no... 2 cookies! I agree with you completely.

 

[Enricos]

Anyone know what the tattoo on his arm means?

I believe it says Maria Jose...

 

[snake]

thats his wife. chilean model. and she is an absolute cracker.:lick: :drool:

 

[Enricos]

thats his wife. chilean model. and she is an absolute cracker.:lick: :drool:

Some pictures would be nice

When I search on google all I get is this lousy cyclist named "Jose Maria Jimenez"

 

[snake]

Some pictures would be nice

When I search on google all I get is this lousy cyclist named "Jose Maria Jimenez"

search this in google, im at work and ill be in trouble if i post the one ive been looking at


'María José López'

 

[Enricos]

search this in google, im at work and ill be in trouble if i post the one ive been looking at


'María José López'

Nice, not bad at all

 

[Khalifa]

**** him, I love Kaka. We need Kaka, get moratti, please. Him, Ibra and Adriano is a dream we all should have.

 

[Ehsan]

**** him, I love Kaka. We need Kaka, get moratti, please. Him, Ibra and Adriano is a dream we all should have.

That alone should get you funniest poster of the year award

 

[Pajo]

Kaka to Inter, no chance... Just a dream, sweet dream until you get up and realise that you were dreaming...

 

[Forza ragazzi]

This whole conversation is going nowhere since there is this weird presupposition in all threads of this forum; the one that we need a playmaker. Why would we ever need a playmaker? Why can't Ibra set up goals and Jimenez score them, why can't Cambiasso set up and score some, what is the problem if our goal comes through Stankovic long shot or Materazzi header? We grind goals, are strong, reliable, clinical, and you want to change the way we play. Uh.

This idea about we needing a playmaker in big Euro games is absolutely random - the way we play is in fact alot more difficult for strong opponents to stop than if we had a pure playmaker. I love the way we play. We might need a new attacking midfielder, but his role is not going to be the singular reference point of our offensive game.

I partly agree, but I agree even more with Tanel. Johnny, do you disagree that having a player that is more playmaker-like in the squad for when our machine stalls is negative? That's the point. When I discussed this with you in the Midfielder Rumours thread you never directly answered me.

Our machine has failed before, and then it's good to have players in the squad that can lead the team to make a different approach in attack during a match.

 

[Kato]

don't think i'd take kaka anyway, he's milanista, who wants that..

plus what's to say jimenez couldn't be that, he's young, he's talented.. maybe we should concentrate on developing that for once rather than paying over the odds for the already made superstar

 

[Forza ragazzi]

don't think i'd take kaka anyway, he's milanista, who wants that..

plus what's to say jimenez couldn't be that, he's young, he's talented.. maybe we should concentrate on developing that for once rather than paying over the odds for the already made superstar

Brilliant post throughout.

This is the reason why I hope we give Pele and Bolzoni chances so that they perhaps can replace Dacourt when he leaves instead of getting some new player. Branca also told of Inter's faith in Bolzoni today (C4).

Anyway, about yesterday, it seems he got a small problem which leaded to Mancini taking him off. I don't think there was a problem between Mancini and Jimenez. I guess that Mancini wanted to figure out how Jimenez was feeling, because Luis is very important for the match vs PSV.

 

[Johnny Ludlow]

Forza Ragazzi mate; I'll explain my stance.

The sole important - maybe somewhat implicite one - point in my post is, that I don't want to change the way we play, atleast not dramatically. We could buy a playmaker, yes, but for what role; to warm a bench? It all gets complicated here. I firmly believe, that it's very important for a team to have a permanent formation. And when I don't want to change the way we play, these two factors together mean I would not like if we signed a truly top player, who is clearly a playmaker. We don't need average playmaker, and we can't buy a superstar and tell him we'll field him in a handful of games.

Every player has different charasteristics, this is given. Another obvious point is, that having playmaking abilities contra not having them is always a good thing. I'm talking about type of player here. I'm obviously not saying, that I want a player who can't pass the ball (duh!). I want an efficient and mentally strong attacking midfielder with physical presence and work rate. Not 159cm tall part-time-magician, one who is useless when having an off-day. I also don't want to base our game around one player.

Our team is all about having very good all-around players, mentally and physically strong winner types with high concentration level, week in week out. We also have a stable first eleven and a winning cycle. These are all dramatically important features of our winning team. I don't believe in tricks to compete in Europe. We must continue the path we have chosen - which is by the way a very good one - and follow through. Success will come.

 

[Forza ragazzi]

Forza Ragazzi mate; I'll explain my stance.

The sole important - maybe somewhat implicite one - point in my post is, that I don't want to change the way we play, atleast not dramatically. We could buy a playmaker, yes, but for what role; to warm a bench? It all gets complicated here. I firmly believe, that it's very important for a team to have a permanent formation. And when I don't want to change the way we play, these two factors together mean I would not like if we signed a truly top player, who is clearly a playmaker. We don't need average playmaker, and we can't buy a superstar and tell him we'll field him in a handful of games.

I'm not saying we should buy a playmaker. By that I mean Riquelme and so on. I want us to continue having a Figo type of player (hence playmaker-like) who can spread som magic if our machine stalls. I know, and have pointed out, that to find such a player is more or less impossible, but I hope Jimenez makes this job easy by showing his qualities over a longer stint than these three-four matches. What I fear is that we let Figo go and replace him with another Vieria, Cuchu type of player. We have the machine, it's there and complete. What we need is not another machine player, but a new Figo. The machine is all-important and our 1st choice way of play, but we would be stupid to base our play all around our machine wouldn't we? It's exactly the same as being dependent on a playmaker. Being good at various types of playing is never negative.

Every player has different charasteristics, this is given. Another obvious point is, that having playmaking abilities contra not having them is always a good thing. I'm talking about type of player here. I'm obviously not saying, that I want a player who can't pass the ball (duh!). I want an efficient and mentally strong attacking midfielder with physical presence and work rate. Not 159cm tall part-time-magician, one who is useless when having an off-day. I also don't want to base our game around one player.

We have these physical, working players. We don't need another one unless one of those we have leave. Our play should not be based around one player, but not around one system either.

Our team is all about having very good all-around players, mentally and physically strong winner types with high concentration level, week in week out. We also have a stable first eleven and a winning cycle. These are all dramatically important features of our winning team. I don't believe in tricks to compete in Europe. We must continue the path we have chosen - which is by the way a very good one - and follow through. Success will come.

I agree on this part, except what I've said. Focusing only on the machine could cost us, as it has done before, but it could pay off as well. However, I actually agree with Azzkikr, although I don't want a high profile playmaker like him (or whoever/whatever he wants). I want a creative player who is capable of adding that spark if our "grey" midfield fail, like it has before.

To clearify and sum up, a big yes to the machine as 1st choice, but also a yes to replace Figo directly.

 

[Khalifa]

Kaka to Inter, no chance... Just a dream, sweet dream until you get up and realise that you were dreaming...

Haha...i was trying to sound the many goofs on this forum and the continuous bashing players get just because they are not kaka or messi..**** kaka, i think figo is still better than him.

 

[Kato]

totally agree that we don't need a specific player, we just need somebody who'll fit into the current team, keep up the creativity at times and it's also class that he's scoring goals.

Love the way in the past two seasons that our goals haven't just come from the forwards, it's been a total team effort at putting them in the back of the net, defence, midfield and attack have all been great.

Jimenez just seems to have the passion and commitment a team like this needs, hes looked genuinely happy every time he's scored.

Fark all of this we need riquelme, ___ insert name etc just because we think we need a certain type of player. What we have right now is something special, players that seem to love playing together and whatever they are doing sure is working.

Basically if he can keep up this form whenever called on then forget new players, imo we already have a solid midfield and depth in replacements as we've shown when we've had injuries this season

 

[Johnny Ludlow]

I think there is no real disagreement Forza Ragazzi. I also want an attacking midfielder, with the attributes I mentioned above. He must be a good fit to the way we play, not the other way around.