Mercato Team (Ausilio, Marotta, & Co.) and Strategies

[snake]

Seriously, this is what pisses me off about FiF. Why must it always be the "for" and the "against" Branca? Can't people not judge things based on merit?

Branca & management seriously fucked up since treble. 4 straight mercatos of shit. We went from 1st and winning CL to 6th and EL. Poor coaching selections, poor renewals, and millions wasted on players. That is a fact. Why can't the same people who state that, can't also say that he did a good job this time?

It is not mutually exclusive. Just because he did a good job this time does not vindicate him of doing shit before and doesn't vindicate those who claim to be his "supporters".

At the end of our mercato, I will have something additional to comment on. But even at today, I can say without doubt that while I am quite content with these last 3 players brought in, I am still concerned for the future. Why? Because in my line of work and in my life, I am not only looking for success in isolation, but looking for repeatability of that success. I don't want a single successful mercato; I want multiple successful mercatos. Repeatability comes down to methodology, and despite the fact that we did indeed get some good players, if you look at it closely, it isn't a method that resulted in getting those players, but more so down to some pretty good luck (Cassano, Gargano, and Pereira demanding moves from their teams; 2 of those players in the last year of their contract e.t.c). When I think about the probability of that happening in every mercato, where unhappy players who are good, relatively young, relatively cheap AND fit our team, I'd say the probability is very low and then we are back to square one in terms of our mgmt team and their method of chasing targets.

Remember, this is the same thing that happened last year but it didn't work out.

Actually there is a big difference between us.

You guys constantly call the market a failure even before it is finished. I quoted Nyalls post from over a week ago where he had given up on everything. The amount of fuck Brancas that come out weeks before the market is even finished is embarrassing.

I have always said from the beginning, you can say whatever you like at the end of mercato if you are unhappy. But do not bitch while there are still weeks to go, because look what can happen.

You see the difference? My opinion anyway.

 

[blackmore]

Snakeology 101 bitchez!

 

[.h.]

Actually there is a big difference between us.

You guys constantly call the market a failure even before it is finished. I quoted Nyalls post from over a week ago where he had given up on everything. The amount of fuck Brancas that come out weeks before the market is even finished is embarrassing.

I have always said from the beginning, you can say whatever you like at the end of mercato if you are unhappy. But do not bitch while there are still weeks to go, because look what can happen.

You see the difference? My opinion anyway.

way to quote his post without addressing a single issue inside...


branca fucked us up the last 4 mercatos. theres no dispute of that. i however (Yes, even me!) will admit this last week has reasonably impressed me. For me to be absolutely impressed, though, I'd like to see the team & players do well before I herald them as great.

This doesn't, though, get round the fact that he spent something like 6 weeks in Brazil this year chasing players, and the only player we've signed from abroad is from Portugal, for example...


None of this excuses 4 windows of shit, but at the bare minimum, this looks like it could be a good window for us.

 

[Johnny Ludlow]

... will admit this last week has reasonably impressed me. For me to be absolutely impressed, though, I'd like to see the team & players do well before I herald them as great.

I don't think that's fair. From now on, it's out of Branca's hands. He made the decisions based on all the information that was available at the time of making the deals. And at that point the deals were good. Being result oriented is wrong here. Your attitude is equivalent to going all-in with AA against 72 and wait for the result before deciding if it was the right move. It was. Regardless.

Not to mention that you seem to think it's OK to decide that a mercato is a failure before any games were played, but not that it's a success.

 

[Caecuban]

I remember seeing this analysis done in some topic here on FIF and thought I could update it.

Blue are new additions to the squad (I forgot to highlight Castelazzi, meh).
Red are players likely to leave this transfer window.
Beside the player name is nb of matches played.

All info is from Soccerway, including players main position.

 

[.h.]

I don't think that's fair. From now on, it's out of Branca's hands. He made the decisions based on all the information that was available at the time of making the deals. And at that point the deals were good. Being result oriented is wrong here. Your attitude is equivalent to going all-in with AA against 72 and wait for the result before deciding if it was the right move. It was. Regardless.

Not to mention that you seem to think it's OK to decide that a mercato is a failure before any games were played, but not that it's a success.

LOL So in football result-orientated is wrong? 'Oh its fine we got relegated, we tried hard'?

Also, where have I judged this mercato a failure???

Did you even bother reading my post?


The point is that the last 4 windows were a clear failure. Anyone who debates that is an idiot/blind. We've NEVER had 4 bad windows like this before under Moratti.


He's a transfer director, he's meant to sign good players WHO WILL WORK for us. Sometimes its a hit, sometimes its a miss. I can accept a failure rate. What I cant accept is near 100% failure rate.....


Find me any club in the god damn world who has failed as badly as Inter did in the last 4 windows.....



Anyway, please read my posts before you bother replying, since from your response its apparent you entirely missed the point.





I have to say, its amusing me greatly that you defend it being the 'right move' despite the fact that it clearly ended up being shit for us.


By your argument;

We could sign a player who, on paper, looks REALLY BAD for us - yet if he works out well (since, yknow, we're not being results orientated) - it was a really fucking bad move

Yet if we sign a player who could be great for us, but because he's been fucking injured for the last billion years, or died of a heart attack, or is banned for drugs, he's still a great move because it 'should' have worked out?



If football transfers is not a result orientated business, I dont know what is.

 

[Ed.]

LOL So in football result-orientated is wrong? 'Oh its fine we got relegated, we tried hard'?

Also, where have I judged this mercato a failure???

Did you even bother reading my post?

You completely missed Johnny's point.

He said that it is Branca's job to sign players that based on his resources the players would work for us. And Branca has done it for this mercato.

For whatever happens with the players next, whether the player will deliver or not, it does not depend on Branca at all. It is on Stramaccioni's and teams hand.

You can't blame Branca if the players that was projected by the manager as important would not deliver later.

Are Cassano, Pereira, Gargano, Handanovic, Guarin, Silvestre, and Mudingayi players we actually need to further build this team? Not all of them, but most of them, yes, we need them. Are they the players that we think can solve our problems? I don't know about you, but I agree with Stramaccioni that they can solve our problems. So, Branca has done a good job and his job is finished up to this mercato.

If the players do not deliver during the season as we expected, it is not Branca's fault at all. Is it a bad transfer? probably, but we still can't blame Branca especially for Cassano, Pereira and Gargano as they are players requested by Stramaccioni. So, blame Stramaccioni.

Mercato and developing players in the season are 2 separate processes. Good mercato doesn't always give good result and bad mercato doesn't always mean bad result.

 

[.h.]

You completely missed Johnny's point.

He said that it is Branca's job to sign players that based on his resources the players would work for us. And Branca has done it for this mercato.

For whatever happens with the players next, whether the player will deliver or not, it does not depend on Branca at all. It is on Stramaccioni's and teams hand.

You can't blame Branca if the players that was projected by the manager as important would not deliver later.

Are Cassano, Pereira, Gargano, Handanovic, Guarin, Silvestre, and Mudingayi players we actually need to further build this team? Not all of them, but most of them, yes, we need them. Are they the players that we think can solve our problems? I don't know about you, but I agree with Stramaccioni that they can solve our problems. So, Branca has done a good job and his job is finished up to this mercato.

If the players do not deliver during the season as we expected, it is not Branca's fault at all. Is it a bad transfer? probably, but we still can't blame Branca especially for Cassano, Pereira and Gargano as they are players requested by Stramaccioni. So, blame Stramaccioni.

Mercato and developing players in the season are 2 separate processes. Good mercato doesn't always give good result and bad mercato doesn't always mean bad result.

& as I said, Ed, I am impressed with Branca this mercato. But it doesn't get us over the fact that we had 4 poor ones before hand....



Yes, all ye inter fans, I have said I am impressed with Branca. On the record.

And, actually, yes it does partially depend on Branca. That's why he's transfer director. He needs to work with the manager to get what they want. When the manager understands the team, the signings work out well. Mancini's biggest signings all worked out well, Mourinho's signings worked out well when they actually got the type of players he wanted, and now Strama's are working well because they are supporting who he wants, rather than forcing people upon him (like Benitez, or Gasperini)

 

[blackmore]

What are you rambling on about....? 4 bad Mercatos? We won the treble in 2010! How do you have a bad mercato but somehow win everything there is to win? And to think, you're the one talking about "result-orientated"...


MINDFUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Fuck it I'm not wasting my breathe...read mantas post below

 

[MANTA]

How have the last 4 mercatos been failures?? Are you counting winter transfers too?? Because if you aren't then going by result oriented then how do you justify calling a mercato that gave us a treble winning season a failure?

Only the last 2 years of transfer have been failures, the previous ones have been resounding successes.

After winning the treble everyone was going on about how amazing Branca was, two years later people consider him to be an incompetent shit and forget anything good he has done in the past. That is just human nature I guess.

Our problem in all post Mourinho mercatos hasn't been Branca, it has been that we lacked a plan. We didn't have a vision of where we wanted to be. So many decisions being made by different people made for horrible decisions. Rafa's choice of keeping Coutinho instead of loaning him as soon as he got here was stupid. Gasperini's choice of bringing in Castaignos despite talks of him remaining in Holland another year, and then signing Forlan shortly afterwards was incredibly dumb.

When Branca is given proper direction he has done really well. You give him the characteristics of the player you want and he gets you a good player for a great deal. When Mourinho demanded Carvalho, it was Branca who got Lucio instead. When Strama asked for a midfielder, a wingback and a supporting attacker, and Branca came with Gargano, Periera and Cassano.

If the coach is stubborn in his suggestions, then we get shit Mercato. If management choose players the coach doesn't want, or dictate strategy to the coach then the Mercato will fail. Only when all the parties work together and gave a common vision can the Mercato be a success. And this is what was happening this year. We finally appear to have a plan.

 

[.h.]

4 bad mercatos is kinda obviously the winter windows as well.............................

anything else i can explain? birds and bees maybe?

 

[MANTA]

4 bad mercatos is kinda obviously the winter windows as well.............................

anything else i can explain? birds and bees maybe?

Pretty misleading to count winter transfers, as generally shit happens then. Its not like a club can do nothing during the summer and say "don't worry, we well get all our targets in winter."

I don't even know what a great winter transfer looks like? Does signing 1 good player constitute a good winter market? How does it compare to a great summer transfer window?

Grouping them together is like grouping apples and oranges. You maybe technically correct, but it is still misleading, as most of the people reading it assume 4 bad summer windows.

 

[.h.]

Pretty misleading to count winter transfers, as generally shit happens then. Its not like a club can do nothing during the summer and say "don't worry, we well get all our targets in winter."

I don't even know what a great winter transfer looks like? Does signing 1 good player constitute a good winter market? How does it compare to a great summer transfer window?

Grouping them together is like grouping apples and oranges. You maybe technically correct, but it is still misleading, as most of the people reading it assume 4 bad summer windows.

How is it misleading? lol...

we've done most of our biggest damn transfers in the winter window in the last 2 years...


A great winter transfer window is the same as a great summer transfer window.... So, tell me, how do you define a great summer window?



I've never seen anyone assume '4 mercators' = '4 seasons' before. Let alone twice in the same thread.

 

[Raul Duke]

How is it misleading? lol...

A great winter transfer window is the same as a great summer transfer window.... So, tell me, how do you define a great summer window?

I've never seen anyone assume '4 mercators' = '4 seasons' before. Let alone twice in the same thread.

If we had a poll, most would disagree. Summer sets you up for the season, winter just fills in gaps. Plus winter transfers are complicated with CL eligibility. All in all winter merchatos generally count for shit

 

[.h.]

If we had a poll, most would disagree. Summer sets you up for the season, winter just fills in gaps. Plus winter transfers are complicated with CL eligibility. All in all winter merchatos generally count for shit

I dont disagree there... but the point is the last couple of years, the winter was the primary thing. fuck it all up in the summer, and then fix it in the winter.

 

[Wallace]

I don't see anything wrong with people's expectation being dictated from the projection of Branca's past performance.

If Branca manages to go through a few more good consecutive mercatos, then people will certainly become more optimistic as time goes. You cannot say Branca is free from any sort of fault when a large number of players made very few contributions during their time here and after just a season.

What he has done in the past week rightfully deserves applause, and there's nothing with praising him for his work even if you doubted the possibility of that happening, given the 2010-2012 seasons.

 

[Mino]

[ Viviano - Alvarez - Nagatomo - Jonathan - Forlan - Zarate - Poli - Palombo - Castaignos ]


[ Cassano - Palacio - Guarin - Mudingayi - Gargano - Pereira - Juan - Silvestre - Handanovic ]


blivious:

 

[Tooz.9]

Selling Alvarez and Nagatomo would be stupid. Either loan out Alvarez or convert him to midfielder and get rid of Stankovic.

As for Nagatomo he has great versatility, left back, right back, left wing, right wing, great attitude and work rate.

 

[wera]

Nagatomo had a few fuck ups today, but he's still a pretty good player, bench or not. As far as I've seen, the mercato was good, long time since we won the first game in SerieA =). We just need to rotate Guarin-Cambiasso-Gargano more, I think. More Duncan, please, when the game is already sealed.

 

[Tanel]

Selling Nagatomo is stupid. For marketing reasons alone. Besides, he keeps Wes and Cassano happy.

And offensively speaking he's one of the most dangerous fullbacks in the league.