Mercato Team (Ausilio, Marotta, & Co.) and Strategies

[Wallace]

Where's chill bro? These guys need you.

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[pencilpal]

Edinson Cavani

2009/10 - 34 app, 15 goals, 0 assists

Walter Mazzarri arrives at Napoli

2010/11 - 33 app, 26 goals, 6 assists

While it seems as if Cavani surprisingly burst into life under Mazzarri, that really isn't the case. He had MANY more minutes under Mazzarri than at Palermo.

But I think what's important to realize is that his role completely changed from Palermo to Napoli. At the Stadio Renzo Barbera, he wasn't the targetman. Rather, that role was given to Fabrizio Miccoli or even Abel Hernandez.

However, at Napoli he became the target man, and was regularly played as CF, not having to compete with (e.g.) Miccoli for this position. So obviously he would make more shots on goal given increased service from the midfield and a newfound ROLE in the attack as target man.

Thereby, an indicative numerical statistic to show his efficiency rate, and therefore the magnitude of his goalscoring prowess can be found with the calculation of the ratio between shots on target and goals scored.

2009/10

13 goals / 34 shots on goal = 0.38

2010/11

26 goals / 53 shots on goal = 0.49

And additionally, to show that he wasn't truly having more shot accuracy at Napoli than at Palermo, is a ratio between shots on goal and shots not on goal:

2009/10

34 shots on goal / 59 shots not on goal = 0.58

2010/11

53 shots on goal / 72 shots not on goal = 0.74

Note that the 28% improvement in shot accuracy isn't substantial.

His improvements in efficiency and shots on goal are all not major, and can be easily attributed to a newfound role in Napoli as target man, greater confidence from coach, and much more consistent service from other teammates.

 

[KevinB]

Ok.

We get it


Mazzarri sucks, there's not a single player who has developped under him.

Reja is a god. Developping Lavezzi and Hamsik into world class players.

 

[pencilpal]

Mazzarri sucks, Reja is a god

I don't think he's a god, but severely underrated.

There's a reason why Fabio Capello has called him the best coach in Italy in the last few years, and praised his work in Napoli.

And I was irritated by the constant attributing of the individual successes of Cavani, Lavezzi, and Hamsik to Mazzarri.

 

[KevinB]

Jesus dude. Chill.

I'm just stating that Mazzarri DID have contribution to their development. The fuck with your statistics. Of course Reja has an important role. But Mazzarri definitely did contributions to their development, resulting in a price and 2 2nd spots.

 

[pencilpal]

Jesus dude. Chill.

I'm just stating that Mazzarri DID have contribution to their development. The fuck with your statistics. Of course Reja has an important role. But Mazzarri definitely did contributions to their development, resulting in a price and 2 2nd spots.

Obviously he "contributed" to their development, but not much AT ALL tbh.

The statistics and the tactical changes showed demonstrated that effectively. :work:

And he shouldn't be solely credit for Napoli's revitalization and successes over the past few years. Also consider Reja's budget on the mercato, and Mazzarri's budget.

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I mean, ffs, Reja had them when they were 21 and 22, while Mazzarri had them when both were 23. When is a more critical and impressionable time in a youngsters development (not that's my only argument)?

I invite you to answer.

And Hamsik played as a goalscoring AM, with some creative prowess, the identical role and position he was used under Mazzarri's tactics.

Moreover, Lavezzi's role and position really didn't change much under Mazzarri.

So you can't attribute much development to him there.

Couple that with my statistical arguments, and you have a strong case against Mazzarri's credit to developing Hamsik, Lavezzi, and Cavani + revitalizing Napoli

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And I never said Reja developed Lavezzi and Hamsik, just that Mazzarri didn't develop them

Learn to read and think critically more effectively.

 

[KevinB]

And I never said Reja developed Lavezzi and Hamsik, just that Mazzarri didn't develop them

Learn to read and think critically more effectively.

So according to you, Donadoni developed them. Because he was the only trainer in between them. So Reja didn't develop Lavezzi and Hamsik, nor did Mazzarri.

I will answer you in few hours. Got an exam coming up later.

 

[b4h4mooth]

Branca 3 magic wonder :

1. Milito
2. Palacio
3. Jona-chan.

 

[Maslany]

Ok.

We get it


Mazzarri sucks, there's not a single player who has developped under him.

Reja is a god. Developping Lavezzi and Hamsik into world class players.

+ why didn't Reja put Napoli in the spotlight if he was that good? Napoli came 2nd in Mazzarri's era.

 

[homaru]

pencilpal, please just calm down!

 

[Sassuolu]

Yep that's why Mazzarri also brought the best out of Bianchi and Amoruso all Reja's work!

 

[Pimpin]

Id quote and argue with you, but I don't really give a fuck, since you don't even know that mazzari joined napoli in 2009 season..

 

[DARi0]

If you ask Branca, our best transfers this summer were keeping Handanovic, Ranocchia and Guarin [because he knew it all the time Jonathan has potential :troll:] and I'm not even being ironic. Of course I would have embraced Nainggolan, but given the situation (Cambi still a starter) and extremely limited funds, I think he did pretty well.

On the another hand, Branca seems to lack determination when it comes to offloading players.
Branca needs to improve his SELLING skills, I mean if Galliani managed to squeeze €15m for Boateng from the germans, ATTENTION, while having a transfer request handed in, he surely knows how to SELL. :chan:

 

[Y&h]

pencilpal, please just calm down!

pencilpal don't, I think that's cute. :sweeteye:

 

[rockball]

Let's get some shit straight about Mazzarri:

1) He isn't responsible for Cavani's goalscoring prowess. Matador was always a striker, and there's a reason he was evaluated with such a high price. Worth noting Benitez also wanted him. He would've scored regardless of where he went, maybe even more at Inter under Rafa and receiving consistent service from our midfield (in the 2010-11 season of course).

2) He is not responsible for revitalizing Napoli. The credit goes to Edy Reja, who's seriously underrated for what he's done in Italian football. Pushed Napoli up from Serie C1 to Serie A in 2 consecutive seasons, and in his first season with the Partenopei in Serie A qualified for the UEFA Cup. If anything Mazzarri had worse results than Reja, considering that he had a much stronger squad. And Reja implemented the 3-5-2 at Napoli.

3) He has played a style at Napoli and Sampdoria that is counterattacking and reliant on individual brilliance, although it appears he's looking to create some form of possession attacking football at Inter. He's not renowned to be a great tactician, but we've seen a massive improvement of performance compared to our tenure under Stramaccioni.

1. Really? Cavani would have scored anywhere? Cavani was good was very raw when he moved to Napoli. Let's also say Fergie and Wenger had absolutely nothing to do with Ronaldo and Fabregas. They would have shone anywhere they went.

2. Edy Reja did a great job at Napoli. No one's denying that. But where is he now? Mazzarri coached them for 4 seasons, 4 fucking seasons! It is not possible to reap benefits of someone else for that long. Ask Rafa, Gasperini and others. By that logic, Barca wouldn't have suffered at all when Vilanova fell sick in the middle of last season and that interim assistant guy took over. By that logic, Moyes will cruise through the league for next 5 seasons.
And Mazzarri never had a squad capable of winning the scudetto. He had a decent first 11 which 2 standout players in Cavani and Hamsik, and 2 good players in Inler and Lavezzi. Their keeper, defence and others were hardly great. What he did with that group of players is incredible.

3. Stylewise I agree.

 

[yoszee]

Would love to see Pastore here.

 

[homaru]

Really? Cavani would have scored anywhere? Cavani was good was very raw when he moved to Napoli. Let's also say Fergie and Wenger had absolutely nothing to do with Ronaldo and Fabregas. They would have shone anywhere they went.

It would have taken much longer for Ronaldo to become great without a manager like Fergie. And if Fabregas had played for a team that didn't play possession football, he also would have taken longer to develop, and may not have ever become the player that he is now.

 

[apahllo]

2009/10

13 goals / 34 shots on goal = 0.38

2010/11

26 goals / 53 shots on goal = 0.49

And additionally, to show that he wasn't truly having more shot accuracy at Napoli than at Palermo, is a ratio between shots on goal and shots not on goal:

2009/10

34 shots on goal / 59 shots not on goal = 0.58

2010/11

53 shots on goal / 72 shots not on goal = 0.74

Note that the 28% improvement in shot accuracy isn't substantial.

His improvements in efficiency and shots on goal are all not major, and can be easily attributed to a newfound role in Napoli as target man, greater confidence from coach, and much more consistent service from other teammates.

I don't understand your argument, the numbers you use don't support your theory. 28% increase in shot accuracy is an amazing improvement...

 

[pencilpal]

So according to you, Donadoni developed them. Because he was the only trainer in between them. So Reja didn't develop Lavezzi and Hamsik, nor did Mazzarri.

I will answer you in few hours. Got an exam coming up later.

Not one person is individually responsible for their development. Those two undeniably had talent, and I'd say both Reja and Mazzarri contributed to their development (not Donadoni).

I showed you how their statistics didn't change between Reja and Mazzarri.

And you should probably read this again:

I mean, ffs, Reja had them when they were 21 and 22, while Mazzarri had them when both were 23. When is a more critical and impressionable time in a youngsters development (not that's my only argument)?

I invite you to answer.

And Hamsik played as a goalscoring AM, with some creative prowess, the identical role and position he was used under Mazzarri's tactics.

Moreover, Lavezzi's role and position really didn't change much under Mazzarri.

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+ why didn't Reja put Napoli in the spotlight if he was that good? Napoli came 2nd in Mazzarri's era.

Good question, well its because the quality of players in the attack during Reja's era were either shit or inexperienced. You can't expect two 21 year olds and Denis to propel a team to the CL places.

Squad quality during Reja's tenure at the club was much, much lower than that of Mazzarri. No Campagnaro, no Zuniga, no Dessena, no Cigarini, no De Sanctis, no Cavani, and not even Quagliarella.

And don't forget Napoli also placed 5th in the 2011/12 season.

Also, consider that Reja is MUCH more respected than Mazzarri in Italy, and especially in Napoli.

Here's another quote from another of my posts on the matter:

Please explain why Fabio fucking Capello praised the work of Reja at Napoli, calling him a great coach who (in his words) "knows football inside out", and why the fans respect him MUCH more than Mazzarri?

For heavens sake, there have been very popular Neapolitan pop songs composed in his honour (!). Also, when he was the coach of Lazio, in the match against Napoli in the Stadio San Paolo, the curva saluted him at the beginning of the match, and he had to greet them. Moreover, the ultras continued to praise him with chants throughout the match.

Also, Aurelio De Laurentiis openly admitted that sacking Reja was a massive mistake.

 

[nurko]

This is by far the most boring last mercato day in a while for Inter fans!!!