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How on earth we are the only club that must firesale every year? AFAIK milan also are in financially horrendous yet they do not self amputate like we do.
 

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How on earth we are the only club that must firesale every year? AFAIK milan also are in financially horrendous yet they do not self amputate like we do.
Because our owners are insisting on self financing bs. Gobbi and barca have more debt then us but can't stop buying. It's infuriating being stuck with suning.
 

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Trust me, none of you would swap our position with Barca's.

They've sold off percentages of their future TV rights, 49% of the merchandising arm.... If you think our "loan with obligation" was borrowing against Inter's future, Barca are doing it to a whole different level.

Our owners have pumped in hundreds of millions into this club - at some point its not unreasonable to expect the child to grow up, get off mummy's teets, and support itself.

And they still, unlike Arsenal, United, etc, havent taken a penny out of Inter.


Also imagine how you guys would lose your shit if we'd lost Bastoni, Skriniar, and Barella on bosmans (like Donnarumma, Hakan, Kessie).



Imagine if, tomorrow, we sold 49% of our merchandising business for like 350mil - that'd give us the money to cover our losses this season, sign Bremer, whatever. But then we're missing probably 60-70mil a season of revenue. 40% of our TV rights for 350mil? that's another 70mil a year gone.

You'd all be crying for blood.
 
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Barcelona doesn't have an ownership structure so it just doesn't compare well. They're doing what they have to. We failed to do that in 2011, in 2016 and in 2021. Let's hope we do it in 2026.
 

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A child should support itself, but not at the age of 5. Suning wanted to own Inter knowing full well what needed to be done. No one asked them to.

Now, to extend the metaphor, when the parents (Suning) lost their jobs (CCP) they want their kids to work instead of them. No, you clingy bums, go out there and make it happen or get lost.

If at Inter they are thinking "Phew, at least we are not Barca" then we are way more fucked than I imagined, because even in their fragile state they are way ahead of us.
 

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Yeah, a club that brings in 300-400mil a year in revenue is a 5 year old, right :D

This is a club that needs to, and should, stand on its own two feet. We've spent the last 25-30 years suckling on the teets of sugardaddies, if not longer. It's about time we actually become a viable business of our own accord.

Barca might (?) be ahead of us on the sporting basis, but they're really fucking their financials going forwards. It's probably one of the biggest gambles in sporting history, in my view more so than Leeds betting big on making the CL every season.
 

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Yeah, a club that brings in 300-400mil a year in revenue is a 5 year old, right :D

This is a club that needs to, and should, stand on its own two feet. We've spent the last 25-30 years suckling on the teets of sugardaddies, if not longer. It's about time we actually become a viable business of our own accord.

Barca might (?) be ahead of us on the sporting basis, but they're really fucking their financials going forwards. It's probably one of the biggest gambles in sporting history, in my view more so than Leeds betting big on making the CL every season.
So what's the plan for us to be financially viable? I don't see one.
 

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So what's the plan for us to be financially viable? I don't see one.
Reduce wages and amortisation, try to increase revenues (much harder because of COVID times, obviously, but things like CL knockouts make a big difference).

Our squad annual cost in 2020 was 266million, this year we're at 167 million. That's a huge trim already, and tbh, I think this is a better squad.


We need investment to improve, but our amortisation went from 273m per year in 2019 to 91m this year, and our wages went from 162 in 2020 peak to 124 now.


As I've said for a few seasons, with signing longer term players like Barella, Skriniar, Bastoni, etc, who are long-term parts of the squad, then as we renew them and extend contracts, our costs decrease rapidly and give us more room for investment.


I dont know how we'll raise the money to pay Oaktree/buy a new stadium, to be honest, but Suning have taken massive steps towards getting us to be more financially healthy. There's more to do - Lazaro, Dalbert, Sensir, Salcedo, Dzeko, stand out as examples where we could shave another 28mil in annual costs without any real impact.

Add in Correa and you'd get that to almost a quarter of our annual cost.
 

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send more money from Italy to pay 255 mil yuans debt in Hongkong.
 

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Our owners have pumped in hundreds of millions into this club - at some point its not unreasonable to expect the child to grow up, get off mummy's teets, and support itself.
Disagree. If child is unable to support himself yet you need to support. Agnelli's still pumping money into gobbi after 100 years.

Inter aren't an epl club, Bayern or real were we can support ourselves yet.
 

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Reduce wages and amortisation, try to increase revenues (much harder because of COVID times, obviously, but things like CL knockouts make a big difference).

Our squad annual cost in 2020 was 266million, this year we're at 167 million. That's a huge trim already, and tbh, I think this is a better squad.


We need investment to improve, but our amortisation went from 273m per year in 2019 to 91m this year, and our wages went from 162 in 2020 peak to 124 now.


As I've said for a few seasons, with signing longer term players like Barella, Skriniar, Bastoni, etc, who are long-term parts of the squad, then as we renew them and extend contracts, our costs decrease rapidly and give us more room for investment.


I dont know how we'll raise the money to pay Oaktree/buy a new stadium, to be honest, but Suning have taken massive steps towards getting us to be more financially healthy. There's more to do - Lazaro, Dalbert, Sensir, Salcedo, Dzeko, stand out as examples where we could shave another 28mil in annual costs without any real impact.

Add in Correa and you'd get that to almost a quarter of our annual cost.
And there's no chance this plan works. All the critical players in this squad were multimillion euro acquisitions. We've shown close to zero ability to scout and acquire quality, low-cost players. We don't develop good youth players. Unless the plan becomes signing only Bosman players on elevated wages this won't work, and we just let one of the best Bosman players of our generation sign with Roma on very affordable wages.

Our revenues are not meaningfully increasing - we can't even find a legitimate kit sponsor. We're nowhere closer to building a stadium.

Things are only going to get worse.

 

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Reduce wages and amortisation, try to increase revenues (much harder because of COVID times, obviously, but things like CL knockouts make a big difference).

Our squad annual cost in 2020 was 266million, this year we're at 167 million. That's a huge trim already, and tbh, I think this is a better squad.


We need investment to improve, but our amortisation went from 273m per year in 2019 to 91m this year, and our wages went from 162 in 2020 peak to 124 now.


As I've said for a few seasons, with signing longer term players like Barella, Skriniar, Bastoni, etc, who are long-term parts of the squad, then as we renew them and extend contracts, our costs decrease rapidly and give us more room for investment.


I dont know how we'll raise the money to pay Oaktree/buy a new stadium, to be honest, but Suning have taken massive steps towards getting us to be more financially healthy. There's more to do - Lazaro, Dalbert, Sensir, Salcedo, Dzeko, stand out as examples where we could shave another 28mil in annual costs without any real impact.

Add in Correa and you'd get that to almost a quarter of our annual cost.
Well said, but one cannot trim the squad endlessly, because it will finish bad.. I think, we are near the minimum now. If we need to sell a top player next year, the money shall be reinvested in the team. Something what Napoli do. They are not against selling some of their star players, but more or less they are trying to keep the squad competitive. We'll lose some shitters next season as well, but I don't want the story of Ranocchia 's replacement to repeat. If Dzeko leaves - find a reliable back up forward. If Gagliardini goes away - bring Agoume or spend on someone perspective.
 

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re Dybala, time will tell, but I would say its a very inter signing to make - 28 year old with a bad history of injuries, on high wages, on a 4 year contract, and then we end up having to terminate him because he doesnt play enough.

We've just brought in Asllani who I'm personally hopeful for, we're making some clever signings like Dumfries, hopefully Gosens...

It's a challenging situation, but there are plenty of good signs imho.

Our revenues are challenging right now, but thats not surprising against a backdrop of a global recession, mass lay-offs, increasing inflation, etc. It is, ultimately, fixable though. The key stroke is to get to a reduced cost basis (as we are doing), which gives us the freedom to actually breath a bit.
 

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Dzeko leaves and we don't have the money to buy Lukaku unless we get another cheap loan which seems unlikely. That leaves Correa and Lautaro plus youth prospects we have out. Most likely they get sold as well

as of right now De Vrij and Skriniar could leave in free agency.... also Handa isn't going to a great starter next season or getting younger.

So no so much of selling stars its we have 3 starters + Dzeko who probably won't be here. Obviously just giving De Vrij and Skriniar extensions fixes this. Hopefully we get new owners as well. If not we need to hope the youth players out on loan do incredibly so we can keep most of our starters.
 

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re Dybala, time will tell, but I would say its a very inter signing to make - 28 year old with a bad history of injuries, on high wages, on a 4 year contract, and then we end up having to terminate him because he doesnt play enough.

We've just brought in Asllani who I'm personally hopeful for, we're making some clever signings like Dumfries, hopefully Gosens...

It's a challenging situation, but there are plenty of good signs imho.

Our revenues are challenging right now, but thats not surprising against a backdrop of a global recession, mass lay-offs, increasing inflation, etc. It is, ultimately, fixable though. The key stroke is to get to a reduced cost basis (as we are doing), which gives us the freedom to actually breath a bit.
Gosens still cost over 30M. It's not like he was some shrewd market opportunity.

This isn't England. It's not like we're struggling to be financially viable because we're blowing through billions in shared revenues. We're playing in a league where there are two financially viable clubs - one that is the play thing of a billionaire, and the other that was taken over by a hedge fund that decided to wave its magic wand and clear all the club's debts. Until one of those things happens to us we're fighting the impossible fight.
 

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which is why we replaced him with Onana

I doubt skriniar leaves on a bosman. I'm 50/50 on De Vrij so far.

Yes, our strikers will be sparse next season, and that department clearly needs work, but for this season 10/10 I'd prefer Lukaku over Dzeko tbh
 

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Reduce wages and amortisation, try to increase revenues (much harder because of COVID times, obviously, but things like CL knockouts make a big difference).

Our squad annual cost in 2020 was 266million, this year we're at 167 million. That's a huge trim already, and tbh, I think this is a better squad.


We need investment to improve, but our amortisation went from 273m per year in 2019 to 91m this year, and our wages went from 162 in 2020 peak to 124 now.


As I've said for a few seasons, with signing longer term players like Barella, Skriniar, Bastoni, etc, who are long-term parts of the squad, then as we renew them and extend contracts, our costs decrease rapidly and give us more room for investment.


I dont know how we'll raise the money to pay Oaktree/buy a new stadium, to be honest, but Suning have taken massive steps towards getting us to be more financially healthy. There's more to do - Lazaro, Dalbert, Sensir, Salcedo, Dzeko, stand out as examples where we could shave another 28mil in annual costs without any real impact.

Add in Correa and you'd get that to almost a quarter of our annual cost.
We don't only need investments to improve. We need investments even to simply replace those with expiring contracts and maintain current level of the team. Dzeko, Skriniar, De Vrij, D'Ambrosio, Darmian, Handanovic, Gagliardini, probably Acerbi. Even if we assume Skriniar will extend, Gagliardini will be offered a new contract because he's cheap and we are already set in GK with Onana we still need to replace the rest. How are we going to do it if there's no money to spend?

This summer we're even struggling to replace Ranocchia, we replaced Vidal with another veteran and Sanchez with Lukaku on loan. Only short term solutions but no clear plan for the future. We only made investments with players who are still under the radar but they haven't earned coach trust yet. And we were lucky enough Suning didn't insist on sales this summer else things would have been even worse.

This thing isn't sustainable. We are still far from achieving self-financing.
 
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