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LeGM is trading Davis for Doncic (among others).
Apparently, LeBron didn’t even know about this trade. Dallas made the move because they needed more defensive stability and had concerns about Doncic’s conditioning, At least, that’s what they’re saying.

This is not a ‘win-now’ trade for Dallas. They should’ve gotten much more out of Luka than just AD. A very, very strange decision. I just don’t see the logic behind it.
 

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What the actual fuck dallas? For fucks sake how on earth do you give up Luka for AD? Looks like Cuban does not have the say he used to cant imagine him liking this trade....

Still thnk luka is the next real big thing and a bit sad to see him in LA with the lakers...
 

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I cannot be happier.. mannnn
 

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There is a rumour that Dončič is too fat and that he already said he is leaving Dallas, so Mavs just went for it
 

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There is a rumour that Dončič is too fat and that he already said he is leaving Dallas, so Mavs just went for it

One leg Doncic got them to final, that’s shit narrative from Mav front office, Irving 99% will move some where else next year, fans are protesting.

Two most reasonable answers are Mav new owners don’t want to pay super max for him and want to move to Vegas or NBA wants Lakers having life after LeBron.
 

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One leg Doncic got them to final, that’s shit narrative from Mav front office, Irving 99% will move some where else next year, fans are protesting.

Two most reasonable answers are Mav new owners don’t want to pay super max for him and want to move to Vegas or NBA wants Lakers having life after LeBron.
Dude, come on. There's no way the Mavericks are going to move from the fourth largest metro area in America to like the 29th.
 

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Dude, come on. There's no way the Mavericks are going to move from the fourth largest metro area in America to like the 29th.

Who knows, people throws out all conspiracy theories, Vegas thing is just because of Patrick Dumont and NBA expansion, the whole trade is nonsense.
 

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Mavs are beyond retarded. Probably worst trade in the history of sports. And Lakers on the other side...couldn't be worse. Just horrible.
Daryl Morey is some General Manager that got fascinated by random baseball, yes baseball, statistics, and wanted to implement that into basketball. So the metric assumes that a 3 point shot is more efficient than any double (except a dunk), so it's best to shoot threes than twos.
3 point IS more efficient. He didn't assumed anything. Can't believe this needs to be explained to people in 2025. Whole discussion about how NBA is bad cause of 3s is completely dumb.
NBA is gonna be in a rough place once LBJ and Curry are gone. Theyve went from Magic/Bird-Bad boy Pistons-Jordan-Kobe/Lebron-Lebron/Curry-Who? NBA needs a new superstar. Tatum is not likeable and Doncic/Jokic are not that marketable due to being foreign born in an american league. I think the NBA is in serious trouble in the next 5-10 years. Ratings are already plummeting even for football season standards.
What?!? League is literally in better state than ever with talent. And good draft classes are ahead of us with some generational prospects like Boozer etc.

What is true is that NBA is horrible at marketing younger players. Or they always choose wrong ones to hype.
 
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Yeah, good with talent, but the viewership is dwindling, because the games aren't exciting enough. That is why some people are saying NBA is in trouble.
 

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3 point IS more efficient. He didn't assumed anything. Can't believe this needs to be explained to people in 2025. Whole discussion about how NBA is bad cause of 3s is completely dumb.

Bad shot selection
Lack of ball movement
Lack of post play skill, ie plurality and versatility

This is why it's dumbed down.

Europe was playing this way since the early 2000s and my team sort of pioneered this, so I had first access on seeing this revolution take place. I even had arguments with NBA fans saying they'd benefit from this.

But instead the NBA as always took something and just doubled down like there's no tomorrow.

Spurs started emulating Panathinaikos, Maccabi and other European teams (as per Popovich himself) and when the GSW rose with Kerr (influenced by Pop and not Phil, as per himself) with two of the greatest shooters the game saw, everyone just assumed that jacking threes is the way to go.

Instead of saving the quality of basketball displayed which was mostly poor, with like 10-15 teams played bad basketball for most of their 82 games, we ended up with just 5-6 functional teams and the rest were treating it like a hood ball convention. And the rules in place didn't help deliver a good product either.
Hyping up players only worked to some degree as even those were one-dimensional and you pretty much knew what was gonna happen.

So yeah, the NBA has been spiraling on a bad path for 2 decades now. Many people hadn't realized how bad things were in the mid 2000s because their favorite players were still involved back then. But rules changes ruined the game and the tendencies of teams 10 years later ruined whatever was left.

The All Star game for example used to be a great exhibition spectacle, now not even the players'families watch it.
Now most RS games remind us of old All Star games. And that's bad. Heck, even some Playoff series are just bad these days and we have to wait for Conference Finals or specific matchups in the Semis to see a quality game.

NBA is becoming insignificant and all those Euro wannabe Americans are switching to NFL these days... which I find very funny.
 

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I never thought Spurs had the best players in the league, but they were so dominant for so long because they really played effective, team basketball. 5 rings in 15 years is pretty good compared to most teams at that time.

Timelines didn't cross for prime Spurs to play prime GSW. That would answer the ultimate question what is better - team basketball or 3point heavy basketball?
 

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I never thought Spurs had the best players in the league, but they were so dominant for so long because they really played effective, team basketball. 5 rings in 15 years is pretty good compared to most teams at that time.

Timelines didn't cross for prime Spurs to play prime GSW. That would answer the ultimate question what is better - team basketball or 3point heavy basketball?
I disagree with the way you stated your question.

GSW was team basketball at its finest. They scored more threes becauee they were good and the ball was flowing. Apart from Steph Curry showboating in some cases with very deep shots, it was all organic.

Having Harden play iso from half court and shoot all the time, or having guys like Randle or Embiid take threes isn't the same as what the GSW did.

They all just wanted the outcome without the actual basketball.
 

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There is a rumour that Dončič is too fat and that he already said he is leaving Dallas, so Mavs just went for it
Pressy also implicitly suggests there was a ‘culture’ problem as well
 

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Yeah, good with talent, but the viewership is dwindling, because the games aren't exciting enough. That is why some people are saying NBA is in trouble.
That dwindling viewership has to be treated with a huuuge fucking asterix.... It s US cable TV viewership that is down...
Quite sure that on a international basis viewership is up and also quite sure that if you d include streaming services in the viewership counts even in the US you d baerly be down................Like look at the money the league is raking in it s more and more every year how does that work if viewership is down as bad as some of the talking heads are making it out to be. As in everybody knows views=$ and if views would be down as massively as cable tv ratings would suggest there is no way that the money would be up as much as it is.....

Also we have to stop acting like in the 90s and mid 00s all the games were exciting.... Thats just grade A BS matter fact pretty sure tha gap between the best and the worst team now days is a lot smaller than it was 20/30 years ago. It was more of a case of NBA is on cable TV so I gonna watch it... I think the exciting part has a lot more to do with people having shorter and shorter attention spans and the fact that the options/ alternatives to watching a NBA game on cable are a lot more than they were 20/30 years ago......


In other news i still cannot get over the Luka AD trade.... The fact that the Mavs only talked to the lakers is insane and so is the price for Luka. Either the Mavs know something, or they are the worst run franchise around.... Like what do you mean luka aint fit and injury prone... Ya ll just got a 6 year older player that has missed more games than luka due to injury and that has his workrate questioned over the years... Also this does not make the mavs any more of a title contender than they were with luka, it s just that you cut down your contention window from like 8-10 years to like 3... So really what the fuck are you doing?

I ve always though most of this well it s not a true sports league it s more for entertainment arguments stupid but this trade makes me question if they are not right....Like this does not make any sense to me unless the mavs got a call from adam and he was like we need Luka in LA for the league make it happen.
Would be super pissed if i was a Mavs fan.....
This is as if we wanted to sell lautaro and we only called Madrid and told em from the get go for 45mio you can have him... Like wtf....

Also fuck this he was to fat/Lazy argument last time i checked the guy that is to fat and too lazy draged a rather shitty team to a conference finals and a NBA final also dude averages 28+PTS 8+RB 8+AST like wtf are you talking about lazy? ATleast give me the real reason and dont fucking BS....
 

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A real reason would probably be too shitty.

Like

"Hey we are moving the team to Las Vegas"
"We just didn't like Luka"
 

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A real reason would probably be too shitty.

Like

"Hey we are moving the team to Las Vegas"
"We just didn't like Luka"
Or we dont really care about winning and we sure as hell dont wanna pay luka that super max....
 

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Jokic looks like your average dude, but is the best player in the NBA. You don't have to look jacked to be fit and strong.

As for the trade, my take is that it leaves Dallas without a future. Fans will turn away (allready happening it seems), the team won’t generate enough leverage, and ultimately, this sets the stage for a move to Vegas.
 

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I don't think you guys realize how big Dallas is. It's one of the most desirable areas of the country in size, wealth, and demographics. There is ZERO chance the NBA let's the area lose a team.
 

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Jokic looks like your average dude, but is the best player in the NBA. You don't have to look jacked to be fit and strong.

Jokic is 7 foot 140 kg, how the fuck is that an average dude hahah
 
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