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CafeCordoba

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So you'll take Saudi money just so long as they're not calling the shots? How is that better, morally speaking? We will be associated with them and surely the Saudis will use us for clout. And correct me if i'm wrong but with the rumored 30% share, won't PIF have a some influence on how the club is run?

To me the saudi state is up there Kim Jong Un but the world is more complex than how you put it. Saudi's influence is so vast, literally the gas you pumped into your car this morning could've come from Saudi Arabia. Meanwhile Italy is sending weapons to the Saudis for use in Yemen. So again, where do we draw the line?
I don't get your argument, what money I am taking?

My point is Saudi state can use football club as an image polishing too. Now image is bad for them. They own an European football club, they bring in money to Italy, they are in spotlight in European football (at least in their hopes), they might get positions in UEFA/ECA like PSG and the image might be different in 10 years.

They cannot use facebook for such purposes even if they own their shares (they won't own that much that it would make any difference).

Again, we draw the line that I don't want Saudi state to use my club as their propaganda tool.
 

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I don't get your argument, what money I am taking?
i'm speaking figuratively. I'm asking if you're okay with Inter taking Saudi money so long as the Saudis don't use Inter for "image laundering"? Because to me the difference is negligible.

Again, we draw the line that I don't want Saudi state to use my club as their propaganda tool.
Not sure your argument holds weight. It's obvious minority stakes in Facebook, Uber, Disney, etc made it okay to associate with the Saudis, thusly paving the way for the Newcastle deal. Whether its 100% ownership or 30%, in the spotlight or behind the scenes, Inter will still consorting with a murderous regime in some form, and the Saudis in turn will use the association to clean up their image.

I personally wouldn't like for Inter to be associated with the Saudi regime in any form (minority stake or full ownership) but I'm not naive to think I can avoid Saudi influence, from using Uber over the weekend to the gas I had pumped in my bike this morning. To me it's a pointless hill to die on because we are all somehow culpable to their propaganda i.e. how many of us watched the AJ/Ruiz fight?

Also I don't remember any inter fans admonishing the Moratti family for the widespread pollution (and the 3 dead) caused by one of their refineries.
 

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So you'll take Saudi money just so long as they're not calling the shots? How is that better, morally speaking? We will be associated with them and surely the Saudis will use us for clout. And correct me if i'm wrong but with the rumored 30% share, won't PIF have a some influence on how the club is run?

To me the saudi state is up there Kim Jong Un but the world is more complex than how you put it. Saudi's influence is so vast, literally the gas you pumped into your car this morning could've come from Saudi Arabia. Meanwhile Italy is sending weapons to the Saudis for use in Yemen. So again, where do we draw the line?
hey hey, cut down with the talk of selling weapons. We getting too honest here
 

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i'm speaking figuratively. I'm asking if you're okay with Inter taking Saudi money so long as the Saudis don't use Inter for "image laundering"? Because to me the difference is negligible.

Not sure your argument holds weight. It's obvious minority stakes in Facebook, Uber, Disney, etc made it okay to associate with the Saudis, thusly paving the way for the Newcastle deal. Whether its 100% ownership or 30%, in the spotlight or behind the scenes, Inter will still consorting with a murderous regime in some form, and the Saudis in turn will use the association to clean up their image.

I personally wouldn't like for Inter to be associated with the Saudi regime in any form (minority stake or full ownership) but I'm not naive to think I can avoid Saudi influence, from using Uber over the weekend to the gas I had pumped in my bike this morning. To me it's a pointless hill to die on because we are all somehow culpable to their propaganda i.e. how many of us watched the AJ/Ruiz fight?

Also I don't remember any inter fans admonishing the Moratti family for the widespread pollution (and the 3 dead) caused by one of their refineries.

Congratulations rfU. I don't know how you did it, but you apparently literally made it into a David Squires comic. Good for you.

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Saying PIF can get fucked and that you wouldn't want them as club owners (personally I'll likely stop watching football altogether if that happens) isn't lesser of a point because one might not refuse to let your car function as a result of not pumping Arabic petrol or catching up with your friends on a social media platform.

Also I don't remember any inter fans admonishing the Moratti family for the widespread pollution (and the 3 dead) caused by one of their refineries.
What a moronic take.
You're remembering right, and that's because it isn't remotely the same thing as being owned by a guy who directly contributes to public beheadings in 2021.
 

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_OC_ already responded on my behalf.

Saudis owning shares of Facebook, Uber has NOTHING to do with this. Those are publicly traded companies and Saudis do not have such positions in those companies that it would make them any relevant. Owning a top football club in Europe is a completely different thing. It gives them a platform they can use.

The whole comic of David Squire is here (link), it's pretty spot on. :)

Also I don't get it how Moratti's pollution or people dying in their refineries has ANYTHING to do with this issue. It's like not even remotely connected to this sportswashing topic.
 

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Drawing the line for boycotting things due to morals is not easy. Almost all big companies engage in questionable practices or are financially supported by people who do. But not all are directly run or influenced by those people.

For me, it’s easy enough for this situation. PIF owning Inter makes me uncomfortable.
 

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I'd much rather be owned by the Saudis than the Chinese, there is nothing worse than a communist.
 

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Drawing the line for boycotting things due to morals is not easy. Almost all big companies engage in questionable practices or are financially supported by people who do.
100% the point I'm trying to make.

What a moronic take.
You're remembering right, and that's because it isn't remotely the same thing as being owned by a guy who directly contributes to public beheadings in 2021.
Relax, i'm talking from a moral standpoint.

Project Eleonora is run by Saras, a family-owned and run corporation, whose CEO is Massimo Moratti, also owner and president of the football club Inter Milan. Saras controls one of the biggest refineries of the Mediterranean, located near Cagliari, the capital city of Sardinia. The refinery is notorious amongst Sardinians for its pollution and for the tragic deaths of a number of workers at the plant.

Obviously what the Saudis are up to is more vile, but why should the Morattis get a 100% pass? Or is the pollution and the depletion of natural resources not as bad public beheadings? Don't both directly result in human suffering?

But if you want to take it there, it's pretty moronic saying you'll stop watching football if the Saudi's takeover, you'd only be punishing yourself and to a lesser extent the players who would lose out on your support. Owners wouldn't care.
 

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The thing for me is the intent. Moratti didn't own Inter and use it as a vehicle to polish the image of his family or company.
 

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To use a footballing analogy, if Suning continue to own Inter, we will be going into every season playing with nine men. Right now, their ownership is more of a hinderance than it is beneficial and I can not shake the feeling that their debt is so great that it puts the club at risk.

And to top it off, we have the Chinese Communist Party in the background like VAR, looking at the game with totally different eyes and making new rules as they go, ready to turn things on their head. The involvement of the Chinese Communist Party adds an additional layer of red tape, decision making and uncertainty to the Zhang's ownership of Inter. What is clear at the moment is that their involvement with the club is no longer sustainable.

Until we change owners, we will only ever aspire to be a top four club.
 
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I'd much rather be owned by the Saudis than the Chinese, there is nothing worse than a communist.
I hope you're aware that being owned by a government vs an individual are very different things? There are amazing and kind people in both countries. PIF is just LITERALLY run by the country.
 

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I hope you're aware that being owned by a government vs an individual are very different things? There are amazing and kind people in both countries. PIF is just LITERALLY run by the country.
Suning is owned by China as well, businessmen there aren't autonomous. Those who are get imprisoned.
So saying we are owned by China is valid, just more complex than the PIF situation.
 

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Saudis are like any other rich government in dealing with people who they perceive as a threat, just a little bit less sophisticated than russians and their methods with radioactive poison or americans with cia fuckery and drone strikes. What they don't have in all of this is a great narrative that western moral countries can swallow, like "fighting for freedom" or "protecting mother russia". But hey, why even try to convince some moral westerner about your dealings when you hold half a world by the balls with your oil reserves.

So what I'm trying to say is I would welcome the switch from the communist china sport washing which tried trough football to showcase how "great" of a country china is (suning were just a useful vehicle for that), to an oil king with fuck you money who is trying to showcase how "great" Saudi Arabia is as a country. Heck, definitely beats selling another hakimi in the summer, which is all I care about.
 

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Saudis or Chinese I dont care,just want Inter to be owned by rich fucks who can make club stronger in all football aspects. Chinese are broke,so I dont give a flyn fuck if some mogule that decapitate his enemies will own us instead of Zhangs who work for fkn mogule like CCP,same fkn monsters maybe even worse than Talibans.
 

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Saudis are like any other rich government in dealing with people who they perceive as a threat, just a little bit less sophisticated than russians and their methods with radioactive poison or americans with cia fuckery and drone strikes. What they don't have in all of this is a great narrative that western moral countries can swallow, like "fighting for freedom" or "protecting mother russia". But hey, why even try to convince some moral westerner about your dealings when you hold half a world by the balls with your oil reserves.

So what I'm trying to say is I would welcome the switch from the communist china sport washing which tried trough football to showcase how "great" of a country china is (suning were just a useful vehicle for that), to an oil king with fuck you money who is trying to showcase how "great" Saudi Arabia is as a country. Heck, definitely beats selling another hakimi in the summer, which is all I care about.
Well atleast Inter has a history of oil money :lol: This will feel like home

So the moral of the story is not to have a club owned by a country that is the reason behind beheadings but rather be run by a company from a country that is the reason for killing thousands of innocent people because of a failed drone mission? Man, the morals in this forum is laughable.


The thing for me is results and how they run the club. If you wanna compete with City, Chelsea, Man U, PSG, Juventus, Spanish teams with their loving of Super League then you better be able to compete with their owners too. As long as the morals of the club don't change then why would I need to care? Soon I'll have to move to another country because my country is selling weapon used to kill innocent people which is morally wrong :yao:


And heey, if you don't like competing with top teams then there is Serie B to watch too. I've heard they have top quality there
 
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If Mayor Sala is true to his word a meeting with Milan and Inter regarding the stadium issue maybe clearer in a week or two. Waiting to see if any movement on this issue is resolved or not.
 
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Absolutely. Moral values are way important than a football club
Good for you. Now you can sit on your high moral throne all you want and moralize about saudis, without anyone telling you shit, coz you actually have your priorities straight. Without something to lose like that, it's just empty words and platitudes.
 

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Suning is owned by China as well, businessmen there aren't autonomous. Those who are get imprisoned.
So saying we are owned by China is valid, just more complex than the PIF situation.

Plus everyone that's rich in China is part of the Communist Party, so they're either true believers or are communists out of convenience, which doesn't make any better, I bet there were plenty of the Mao's goons that killed over hundred millions people that were only communists out of convenience
 

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Unfortunately the age of a fan-owner are done.

We're in awkward territory now and it leads to polarisation.
 
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