New Stadium

[Darth_Ausilio]

And it will most likely remain open for the next 20

These matters cannot be rushed. I’m optimistic that my future grand children will live to see the day when the clubs and mayor agree on a way forward, and that the construction will start soon after, maybe being even completed for my great grand children.

 

[Adriano@10]

Thats more or less in line with what a large modern stadium is going to cost. You can benchmark it with alot of recent venues in the US. When I hear Inter saying they are going to build a 70,000 seat stadium for under a bil, I generally roll my eyes.

What? according to the telegraph Reals renovation at 1.8 bio makes the new bernabeu the most expensive in the world....
The spurs paid 1 bio for their new stadium and it s bonkers......

Last but no least look at what a fucking monstrosity manu is planning around the stadium ofcourse the costs are gonna be inflated...

Btw wether we rennovate the meazza or build a new stadium under the new plan will have to take care of the meazza anyways... As in we wont be allowed o tar it down neither will we be allowed to just let it wiher away....

Also fuck that shit of the city is pressing for a solution you mean the fuckers who have been stalling for 20 years unil both us and bbilan mad more or less concrete plans to leave the city? Fuck em and i m pretty sure they are only pressing now they ll find plenty of things to criizize and to delay the project once they see our proposals.

 

[wera]

Holy shit, this thread is still active? I opened it almost 20 years ago

Pajo, it's a forum classic. You jinxed it!

 

[DARi0]

Marotta on latest regarding stadium:

“In the coming months, the two Clubs will engage with the Municipal Administration to discuss and further refine the proposal’s details and key aspects, aiming to complete the acquisition process by July 2025. The final concept and the executive project will be presented at a later stage and are therefore not included in the documentation submitted today.” - Don Beppe

The offer is believed to be around €200m, the price set by the Italian Tax Office earlier this year.

Inter and Milan had already prepared a project to demolish the Stadio Meazza and build a new co-owned Stadium called ‘The Cathedral’, but the plan was abandoned as a legally binding made it impossible to wreck the stadium.

Here's more clarity on this topic:

However, if the sale is completed before 2026, the two clubs can partially demolish the Meazza stadium and build a new one nearby.

Inter and Milan were expected to send their offer last week, but the official proposal was presented a few days later:

“There were some legal technicalities to be defined between the two clubs, but there was nothing to worry about,” Inter President Beppe Marotta explained.

“We have submitted the proposal, a very important step for Inter and Milan, as both clubs will contribute to the city’s development. There will be a new stadium that meets the standards of modern venues. Regarding facilities, we still have a gap compared to other European clubs. Today, we are trying to set an example from Milan that could inspire many Serie A clubs. The government has promised to appoint a special commissioner soon, so as a football executive and professional, I am confident that we can finally start an important path for Italian football.”

Promises are cheap, especially in Italy.

Milan President Paolo Scaroni spoke to ANSA, adding:

“This is a significant step, but it is only the first in a process where nothing can be taken for granted. What is certain is the commitment and determination of both clubs in this direction, whereas for Milan, the strategic vision and concrete dedication of RedBird, who has international experience in stadium projects, have been fundamental.

“It will be a beautiful stadium, modern and sustainable, but also safe and accessible, ideal for everyone, including families and children, fostering a truly healthy fan culture against any form of crime and violence. A green and innovative project that will benefit the city and its residents.”

Seems to me that owning a modern facility is a priority for both American shareholders.

 

[PHM1605]

If they really do this...put Oatree to LGI already!!! They solve the historic puzzles.

And I believe their will. They sacked Antonello for a reason.

 

[Jnr]

This is a Red and Black member , who is connected to Milan with one other guy. This guy works in a Co close to the club and has shared plenty of pics with Milan players and he even shared a pic with none other than Beppe Marotta just recently. This is what he said.

"My source spent more than 30 minutes on a phone call with people from Redbird and they told him

If we go to San Donato we do Inter a favor because now the municipality has understood that they have to unload San Siro and so if we leave alone, the others have a highway to a new stadium in Milan and we look like in exile and our fans will criticize us even more. Furthermore, economically, Redbird claims that in San Donato you spend double and earn the same amount. Scaroni said we can't afford to leave San Siro and then Milano to Inter"

So San Donato plan looks like its abandoned.

 

[Forzanerazzurri]

What? according to the telegraph Reals renovation at 1.8 bio makes the new bernabeu the most expensive in the world....
The spurs paid 1 bio for their new stadium and it s bonkers......

Last but no least look at what a fucking monstrosity manu is planning around the stadium ofcourse the costs are gonna be inflated...

Btw wether we rennovate the meazza or build a new stadium under the new plan will have to take care of the meazza anyways... As in we wont be allowed o tar it down neither will we be allowed to just let it wiher away....

Also fuck that shit of the city is pressing for a solution you mean the fuckers who have been stalling for 20 years unil both us and bbilan mad more or less concrete plans to leave the city? Fuck em and i m pretty sure they are only pressing now they ll find plenty of things to criizize and to delay the project once they see our proposals.

I have no idea what your point is.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

This is a Red and Black member , who is connected to Milan with one other guy. This guy works in a Co close to the club and has shared plenty of pics with Milan players and he even shared a pic with none other than Beppe Marotta just recently. This is what he said.

"My source spent more than 30 minutes on a phone call with people from Redbird and they told him

If we go to San Donato we do Inter a favor because now the municipality has understood that they have to unload San Siro and so if we leave alone, the others have a highway to a new stadium in Milan and we look like in exile and our fans will criticize us even more. Furthermore, economically, Redbird claims that in San Donato you spend double and earn the same amount. Scaroni said we can't afford to leave San Siro and then Milano to Inter"

So San Donato plan looks like its abandoned.

Did they just spend 50m on the land only to realize this now?

 

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I don't understand who they are

 

[brehme1989]

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I don't understand who they are

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Some gobbi cunts

 

[Adriano@10]

I have no idea what your point is.

Point was that staying under / around that 1 bio mark is possible...and that your claim of 2 bios is exaggerated when again reals is the most expensive one with 1.8 bio in costs
Second point is since if the current proposal goes through we d also own the current meazza and since it has protected status we d need t take care of it and would not be able to tear it down or just let it rot will have to maintain it. On top of that we probably have o renovate meazza anyways cause we d probably want to use it so that it can carry it s own costs at the very least...

Last but not least fuck he city for pressing us now when they ve stalled for the last 20 years now all of a sudden when we and bbilan have different plans it s a pressing mater get fucked

 

[Forzanerazzurri]

Point was that staying under / around that 1 bio mark is possible...and that your claim of 2 bios is exaggerated when again reals is the most expensive one with 1.8 bio in costs
Second point is since if the current proposal goes through we d also own the current meazza and since it has protected status we d need t take care of it and would not be able to tear it down or just let it rot will have to maintain it. On top of that we probably have o renovate meazza anyways cause we d probably want to use it so that it can carry it s own costs at the very least...

Last but not least fuck he city for pressing us now when they ve stalled for the last 20 years now all of a sudden when we and bbilan have different plans it s a pressing mater get fucked

Ok i understand. I guess I was insinuating that 1 bil isn't going to build anything world class. Nobody here will be impressed with a 1bn stadium in 2029. You have teams sharing the cost too. Spend the money once and do it properly.

 

[CafeCordoba]

It's not about building a stadium to impress internet heroes.

 

[Adriano@10]

Ok i understand. I guess I was insinuating that 1 bil isn't going to build anything world class. Nobody here will be impressed with a 1bn stadium in 2029. You have teams sharing the cost too. Spend the money once and do it properly.

Again the new spurs stadium cost them 1bio (according to wiki) that is after massive delays that greatly inflated the cost of the project. That stadium is fucken insane and state of the art, you have anything you can possibly need with the exception of good fans ofcourse...
So if we manage to plan his decently and not hit massive delays like the spurs did we should manage to keep it under or around that 1 bio mark... Also my guess would be building in italy is cheaper than building in the UK.

Also last time i checked most people even the ones used to modern stadiums are fucken impressed by the meazza.... Cause one thing money cant buy is atmosphere as long as we dont turn into plastic EPL/real/Barca/Bayern fans people will be impressed once they enter our stadium

 

[CafeCordoba]

That last thing you said is the biggest fear I have with the new stadium.

 

[Adriano@10]

That last thing you said is the biggest fear I have with the new stadium.

I honestly dont think we ll lose our fans/spirit with a new stadium as long as the owner does not go nuts with ticket prices. Like the epl turned to shit cause of ticket prices and regulations... Real Barca and Bayern just feel soulless cause half the stadium seems to be tourists and there is no curva/ultras.
As long as we have a curva i m not that afraid of us loosing our souls....
It might be slighly less loud but i dont think it will go to shit unless the owners actively try to push out the CN

Side note: i do not really mind the EPL atmosphere while its worse than ours at least they still have people singing and calling opposite fans wankers which is kind of funny.... The real and Barca atmosphere on the other hand is just fucken terrible non inter game i saw live was at camp nou and holy shit was i disappointed in those fans and back then i stil liked barca...

 

[Forzanerazzurri]

Again the new spurs stadium cost them 1bio (according to wiki) that is after massive delays that greatly inflated the cost of the project. That stadium is fucken insane and state of the art, you have anything you can possibly need with the exception of good fans ofcourse...
So if we manage to plan his decently and not hit massive delays like the spurs did we should manage to keep it under or around that 1 bio mark... Also my guess would be building in italy is cheaper than building in the UK.

Also last time i checked most people even the ones used to modern stadiums are fucken impressed by the meazza.... Cause one thing money cant buy is atmosphere as long as we dont turn into plastic EPL/real/Barca/Bayern fans people will be impressed once they enter our stadium

That stadium OPENED 6 years ago. Which, even if our stadium was on time (which it wont be), it would open a DECADE later than the spurs stadium. Material and labor costs have gone up significantly in the last decade. Further, that spurs stadium is a lot smaller than the stadium we would require. You are not getting that stadium for a bil today, let alone one with 10,000 more seats. Its not state of the art, its 6 years old, lacks atmosphere and is not even all that nice compared to some of the NFL stadiums built recently. How much is Man U's new stadium btw?

 

[brehme1989]

That stadium OPENED 6 years ago. Which, even if our stadium was on time (which it wont be), it would open a DECADE later than the spurs stadium. Material and labor costs have gone up significantly in the last decade. Further, that spurs stadium is a lot smaller than the stadium we would require. You are not getting that stadium for a bil today, let alone one with 10,000 more seats. Its not state of the art, its 6 years old, lacks atmosphere and is not even all that nice compared to some of the NFL stadiums built recently. How much is Man U's new stadium btw?

They also got new ideas in the process iirc, it wasn't the initial plan that was executed.


I don't disagree with your premise, but I think a 1.2-1.5bn project will give a state of the art result by 2030. You'll only get to 2bn if inflation bites you in the ass.

 

[Forzanerazzurri]

They also got new ideas in the process iirc, it wasn't the initial plan that was executed.


I don't disagree with your premise, but I think a 1.2-1.5bn project will give a state of the art result by 2030. You'll only get to 2bn if inflation bites you in the ass.

The argument was "Point was that staying under / around that 1 bio mark is possible". I completely disagree. Evertons 50k relatively bland and simple (but suitable) stadium just finished for around 950 mil euro. Look at what man u is building and it's 2 bil gbp. The question is do you want world class/state of the art? That's 2 bil euro for a 70k seater. Or do you want something unremarkable that gets the job done. That might be 1.2.

 

[brehme1989]

The argument was "Point was that staying under / around that 1 bio mark is possible". I completely disagree. Evertons 50k relatively bland and simple (but suitable) stadium just finished for around 950 mil euro. Look at what man u is building and it's 2 bil gbp. The question is do you want world class/state of the art? That's 2 bil euro for a 70k seater. Or do you want something unremarkable that gets the job done. That might be 1.2.

I wouldn't directly compare the two.
Manchester United project is part of an urban regeneration, not just a stadium.

It's also more expensive to build in the UK and it's not because the bricks cost more. London is the most expensive of course and some parts has crazy regulation, e.g. where Chelsea is, while across town to the East it's easier to build such projects.

A lot of the cost in Milano will also go to red tape hurdles and communal infrastructure.


P.S. Everton's stadium was supposed to cost 600m euros and that includes 100m that went to unforseen obstacles. But it also had a 250m increase in construction cost, double the initial estimate, because they changed their plans in the middle of building and the land wasn't ideal for such a site so they had to work more on it.

The same stadium on more suitable soil, without random changes to the plan, wouldn't cost more than 550m in Italy.