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10 years of FIFMessi.
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FIF Special Ones10 years of FIFLol 1 name? That is all you have. Balotelli and Santon, so there you go Inter has more...
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10 years of FIFIt's not a matter of starting regularly or not but it is a problem of project and belief in youngsters. The fact that part of the barca's team today are valdes , puyol , pique , iniesta , busquets , xavi , messi , pedro , bojan , jeffren , thiago etc it's not a matter of a lucky generation but it's an example of how to work with youngsters.
Tell me the truth , if coutinho had been part of barca this year would they had bought kharja in jaunary...?
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Forum SupporterTrust me if there was a young Xavi, Messi in our Primavera they would be fighting for places. I'm pretty sure our management hasnt seen anyone with that level of talent, otherwise we wouldnt be chasing the likes of Montolivo.
The only reason I want to watch is to confirm the opinion that even though our youngsters are good, at their age they still lag behind other major clubs.
The only reason I want to watch is to confirm the opinion that even though our youngsters are good, at their age they still lag behind other major clubs.
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FIF Special Ones10 years of FIFI really don't understand you guys. If we had Xavi's or Iniesta's in our youth system right now, of course they would be given more first team chances. The fact is, our youth team is only good enough for that level. There are no super talents in our primavera like Barca have. You can build your club around your youth program, only if you have a strong youth program. If Inter built their club around their current youth system, we would be in trouble.
Acquafresca and Destro were rated super high before they left the club. Now both players fight for minutes at Cagliari and Genoa.
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10 years of FIFIt's funny how both you and sunnet take the part that intersted to you xavi and iniesta and left the other part of the post. Xavi and iniesta are the peak of the youth system of barca. Every team's youth has it's own peaks , even we had our own with santon and mario but this isn't a matter of peaks but a matter of project.
Barca has one of the team's with fewer number of players and this happens because they believe that in time of crises they can trust in their youngsters . Of course the fact that they play in secunda division helps about that and this is smth we can discuss. But one thing is sure , as i said it's not a matter of luck that they had iniesta and xavi while we didn't' .
They produced xavi and iniesta with the way they work with the youths , the same way they are producing thiago alcantara and others . And at the end they trust in their production .
On the other hand inter and not only inter but italian football doesn't trust in their production but they prefer to buy smn elses production so their own talents are burned .
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Forum SupporterSo basically what Junior55 says is that we should trust our youth, even if they arent good enough. I dont think anyone apart from Balo and Santon were good enough in the last few years for the first team and they got their chances. If theres someone who can play at that level, he will play.Obi seems to be the one closest.
RIGHT NOW NOBODY FROM PRIMAVERA IS AT THAT LEVEL. Our management team watches these guys day in and day out. I think with their years of experience they will know when a player is ready. We just have to admit that the trust is lost because of failures in the past. We are building a youth system as its the only way we can grow in the future, but for now we dont have any decent players. We shouldnt promote players just because we want youth, we should promote them because they are good otherwise we will be Italy's Arsenal. Blindly playing young ones doesnt guarantee any sucess.
RIGHT NOW NOBODY FROM PRIMAVERA IS AT THAT LEVEL. Our management team watches these guys day in and day out. I think with their years of experience they will know when a player is ready. We just have to admit that the trust is lost because of failures in the past. We are building a youth system as its the only way we can grow in the future, but for now we dont have any decent players. We shouldnt promote players just because we want youth, we should promote them because they are good otherwise we will be Italy's Arsenal. Blindly playing young ones doesnt guarantee any sucess.
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10 years of FIFWhat i say is that in italian football (not only inter) doesn't exist a true , practical link between youths football and profesional football.
I think that inter's youth is a very profesional organization with well known goals and objectives the same as Barca's youth is. Their mentality and goal is to produce short , technical , fast players while ours has been to produce tall , more physical players , target type stirkers good full backs etc and both these clubs achieve their youth objectives but everything changes when you see the picture of the first team . In barca the link pro-youth works and the above line of thought continues to exist while at inter (and all the italian football) this line breaks and the first team works through a completely different and most importantly not always the same line of thoughts.
So NO , i don't want to see an inter first team with 20 primavera players but i want a link to exist and to be real and practical , not some virtual thing.
I think that inter's youth is a very profesional organization with well known goals and objectives the same as Barca's youth is. Their mentality and goal is to produce short , technical , fast players while ours has been to produce tall , more physical players , target type stirkers good full backs etc and both these clubs achieve their youth objectives but everything changes when you see the picture of the first team . In barca the link pro-youth works and the above line of thought continues to exist while at inter (and all the italian football) this line breaks and the first team works through a completely different and most importantly not always the same line of thoughts.
So NO , i don't want to see an inter first team with 20 primavera players but i want a link to exist and to be real and practical , not some virtual thing.
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FIF Special Ones10 years of FIFSo the problem is not with trusting youth players, it is developing them better. If you take a shitty youth player and throw them into a first team match, they will not magically become better. If we work harder to develop the youngsters, then maybe they will be good enough to start. But simply throwing youngsters into the starting lineup is not the solution.
You guys should argue that we need to do a better job at developing youngsters, not that we should give our youngsters more of a chance.
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Forum Supporter10 years of FIFJunior, do you realise that the youth/reserve system in Italy and Spain are TOTALLY DIFFERENT!
In Italy the likes of Obi, Cou, Mariga are way too advanced/old to be playing in primavera where they will dominate 17yr olds and some not good enough to be playing 1st team every week. In Spain they have a B league where they play other reserves (not exclusively youngsters) if Samuel was coming back from injury for example but didn't have the tank to play a game for Inter, he would play with the reserves along with Cou and Obi.
In Spain Obi and Cou would be pitted with other Obi's and Cou's. In Italy it's either 1st team or teenagers, no middle ground.
The setup in Spain is 10 times better suited for developing youth than Italy. So please don't critisize for not mimicking barca when it's impossible to do so in Italy. Also you had a go at Vito and Sun for bringing up the very best (Xavi and Iniesta) yet you're also bringing up the most extreme example in Barca
Edit: sorry, just saw that you did mention the secunda, but I don't think you appreciate the significance of it
In Italy the likes of Obi, Cou, Mariga are way too advanced/old to be playing in primavera where they will dominate 17yr olds and some not good enough to be playing 1st team every week. In Spain they have a B league where they play other reserves (not exclusively youngsters) if Samuel was coming back from injury for example but didn't have the tank to play a game for Inter, he would play with the reserves along with Cou and Obi.
In Spain Obi and Cou would be pitted with other Obi's and Cou's. In Italy it's either 1st team or teenagers, no middle ground.
The setup in Spain is 10 times better suited for developing youth than Italy. So please don't critisize for not mimicking barca when it's impossible to do so in Italy. Also you had a go at Vito and Sun for bringing up the very best (Xavi and Iniesta) yet you're also bringing up the most extreme example in Barca
Edit: sorry, just saw that you did mention the secunda, but I don't think you appreciate the significance of it
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10 years of FIFYes but for me this two are strongly related . If we all agree that if a player (no matter if young or old) declines if he doesn't get playing minutes why we shouldn't believe the opposite of that meaning that if a young player gets playing minutes he will improve . This doesn't mean that giving alibec playing minutes will turn him into messi but for sure will improve him and we can't ever now to what margins the improvement can arrive.
I strongly believe that pedro would still be an unknown player today if guardiola wouldn't had trusted in him 3 years ago...
P.s And please people don't put the arsenal example over this topic. They are a bunch of young kids who are all at the same time learning what real football really is while ours is a completely different squad with hugely experienced players and putting some youngsters among them doesn't neccesary mean being less competitive.
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FORZA CRISETIG, may he lead the Primavera to NEXT GEN VICTORY.
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10 years of FIFYes i do appreciate it and that's why i speak about italian football and not only inter. But this topic deserves it's own discussion .
One of the reasons italian football is being left behind is bad ideas. If you look at the latest movements of the italian federation regardin this topic they are looking to decrease the max age for players of primavera with the goal to give more space to youngsters but this gives 0 help to the club who just has to loan more players in serie b or c. But giving a player on loan is far away of being the best improvement option for him because he can find an unfriendly area where he goes , a completely different tactic aproach , different team mentality/objectives etc..
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FIF Special Ones10 years of FIFThe problem is our youngsters get chances when we loan them out or sell them and they get sent straight back to the bench because they are not good enough. Since we recently had Balotelli and Santon, I trust our management to know when to pull up our youngsters. I mean Santon was given more chances than any youngster at Barcelona and he didn't turn into anything special.
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10 years of FIFThats Inter's provisional fixture list.
The broadcaster hasn't been announced but my guess is SKY as there are a few English clubs, so you know SKY won't miss an opportunity to hype the English clubs even more.
