No more young Italian class players!

[Domenico]

It is weird because Italy, England usually have pretty crappy youth teams and National teams are not that bad. Like I can't remember Italy or England ever doing all that great in any youth tournie.

Youth talent doesn't always translate. Colombia is the 3rd best youth producing country in South America nad our senior team blows

Italy usually have very good youth teams and have won many tournanents.

 

[LaVolpe024]

Firstly, one thing you must admire about Italian players is their ability to play top flight football consistently beyond the age of 32 when most players decline. You still see brilliance from players like Totti, Del Piero and we saw a lot of it from Maldini (pushing aside the fact that he was Milanista XP). The reason why Italy's youth is hardly noticed, not that it isn't prominent, is simply because of the endurance and dominance of older more experienced players in the league. The national team is known for this, with most players in Italy's world cup triumph in 2006 being considerably old. Italian players proove that age means nothing in the game.

Lately, we have seen a rise from the younger generation, particularly Giovinco although he's not so young anymore. He looks like he's 12 years old but plays like he's 28 and at his height. It's a real shame that he's part of Juve and they've never handed him consistent opportunities to play. They've learned their lesson this season surely. The same thing is taking place in the shape of Davide Santon for us. He has the potential, and we're beginning to see it. The fans are too skeptical of youngsters too. Italy does invest in youth, but unlike many nations experience is valued above this. That's why most younger Italian players are never really noticed until the age of 24 or 25.

With Inter, not much of this applies. That's part of the collection of reasons why I love this club. It's a South American Inter and it showcases how much South America contributes to top flight football in Europe. As much as Milanisti and Juventini keep harping on about how "we aren't Italian enough" they should remind themselves that our team has an Italian name, Internazionale Milano, unlike Juve and Milan (Milan being the English name for the city).

 

[blackmore]

italian players normally have a longer lasting career due to the fact that we play at a snails pace, compared to other major leagues. our league has alot more to do with strategy and tactics compared to the more flamboyant and faster paced leagues. this season, the serie a had the most vast amounts of formations used by individual teams, compared to any other major leagues in the world. long gone are the days of cattenacio........

 

[Domenico]

So, Italy isn't part of either u20 or u17 WC...

crzdcolumbian stated that Italy has never had good youth teams or have won tournaments. I was just correcting him.

 

[Pelin_X]

italy needs a reserve league, which should provide Primavera players playing time and get experience and work on their weak points...
im happy with Fossati deal, we got 5-6 m euros for him which is great amount for a player that his contract expiring in 1 year. We dont have any young players in Primavera, who can make immediate first team impact. (except Bardi)

Giovinco did good with Empoli as well. He is doing well with Parma but he is failing with Juventus. He is really weak player, intelligent, pacey and skilled but weak. They should have worked on his strength more...

Milan invested a lot on Primavera players, which i found it funny last year when they didnt anyone for senior squad but signing Fossati for 6 m euros for Primavera. They are playing Primavera players in senior squad and let them train with senior squad. Strasser who is 21.
Merkel e.t.c. for instance Merkel lacks experince... He has problems on strength... But this guys needs to play.

All Primavera players needs to get playing time. Loaning them to Serie C or D, or Serie B sides doesnt provide that. You rather give their %50 to others teams and they get playing time. Otherwise its a low possibility their playing time.

We were lucky to have Balotelli and Santon from our youth ranks... Thanks to Mancini for this. He also bought Balo for his City and let us make a great profit from it.

Milan fans were comparing their Paloschi to Balo and saying he is better than Balotelli

Our youth systems should be improved and needs a reserve league which also could give oppurtunity to players to non playing players... for instance Arna from last year.

Milan's Simone Calvano really impressed me from last game, its a pity for him he is playing in Milan. He has a nice combination of strength, pace and tecnique. All round kind of player though he dribbles a bit more. He doesnt have any weakness. its great for italian football. He is tall and damn strong. He can make it... However, take Giovinco as a example to opposite, he is skilled, fast but he is weak. its not a problem maybe in a small team cuz he needs space and finds this space there but in Juve, its a problem cuz he is not finding that space to shine there. this is why i gave Calvano and Giovinco as examples.

 

[vitomins]

It is weird because Italy, England usually have pretty crappy youth teams and National teams are not that bad. Like I can't remember Italy or England ever doing all that great in any youth tournie.

Youth talent doesn't always translate. Colombia is the 3rd best youth producing country in South America nad our senior team blows

England is the most successful team in the history of the European U-19 competition. Italy is the most successful team in the history of the European U-21 competition.


England
U-20 WC: 0
U-21 Euro: 2
U-19 Euro: 9
U-17 WC: 0
U-17 Euro: 1


Italy
U-20 WC: 0
U-21 Euro: 5
U-19 Euro: 2
U-17 WC: 0
U-17 Euro: 1

 

[Vintage]

italy needs a reserve league, which should provide Primavera players playing time and get experience and work on their weak points...

IMO italian clubs can't afford that. With only 1 senior team running in the league, their balance book is already not looked so good. Financing another team for reserve league could make club's financial situation worse. The main problem is stadium. English clubs have no problem running reserve league because they own their stadium.

 

[GIL]

IMO italian clubs can't afford that. With only 1 senior team running in the league, their balance book is already not looked so good. Financing another team for reserve league could make club's financial situation worse. The main problem is stadium. English clubs have no problem running reserve league because they own their stadium.

+1 for the best youths just observe Arsenal and Barcelona, their Cantera is awesome. They teach the youths the same formation and playing style of their Senior team so when they make the big step to the senior one, they're already familiar to their playing style...
( No wonder Barca this or last year scored 5 goals in a CLeague Fixture with Cantera players.. )

 

[junior55]

I don't think it's a problem of investiments nor it's a tactical problem .
I think it's a generation issue . There are times that great youth prospect come up and times this doesn't happen. Look at brazil for example they have always invested in football in the same way but if you see their NT there is a huge gap between the u-20 (neymar , ganso , cou etc ) and the over 26-28 . Brazil in my opinion has never had so many good defenders, gk and Dm and so few strikers (i mean nr.9 strikers) and Am so it's a generation issue.

 

[Harmonyofdissonance]

There are three very simple reasons for our mediocre primaveras:
1) As far as I can see, Italy is the only top league, where youth players have to play in a separate youth tournament => Primavera league
Take for example germany or Spain: The youth players play in the second squad, but in a professional league. Over here in germany the second squad plays in 3. Bundesliga, thats the third category over here. So youth-players have to measure themselves with real players, not with kids like them.
2) I'm sorry to say that, but italy is the only country, where the youth national teams dont have embraced a whole generation of immigrants. Look at germany again : They are 5 years ahead of the situation here in italy. Now we are in the position, germany was some 6-7 years ago, when they had absolutely no talents. Look at their national team right now. They implemented immigrant players some ten years ago and now have a whole bunch of hungry young players like özil or khedira. Balotelli is the first step, Ogbonna and so on are the next, but look at the netherlands, look at UK. They are ahead with talents becaus of their openess.
3) I guess Burghnich has given an interview lately for sky, where he complained, that in the last severeal years it was all about physical strenght in the youth teams. Technically skilled players are not needed. This point correlates heavily with point one of my answer, because if you compete against players in the range between 16-20, you have a huge advance, if your physically trained above the average. Scouts are only looking for players with physical advantage. If you look at the players in our primaveras, you see, that this point is sad but true. Its all the other way round in spain oder netherlands.

As long as this three simple reasons are not taken into account, italy will become less and less important with its national team and in consequence with serie a.

 

[Black&Blue]

There are three very simple reasons for our mediocre primaveras:
1) As far as I can see, Italy is the only top league, where youth players have to play in a separate youth tournament => Primavera league
Take for example germany or Spain: The youth players play in the second squad, but in a professional league. Over here in germany the second squad plays in 3. Bundesliga, thats the third category over here. So youth-players have to measure themselves with real players, not with kids like them.

2) I'm sorry to say that, but italy is the only country, where the youth national teams dont have embraced a whole generation of immigrants. Look at germany again : They are 5 years ahead of the situation here in italy. Now we are in the position, germany was some 6-7 years ago, when they had absolutely no talents. Look at their national team right now. They implemented immigrant players some ten years ago and now have a whole bunch of hungry young players like özil or khedira. Balotelli is the first step, Ogbonna and so on are the next, but look at the netherlands, look at UK. They are ahead with talents becaus of their openess.

3) I guess Burghnich has given an interview lately for sky, where he complained, that in the last severeal years it was all about physical strenght in the youth teams. Technically skilled players are not needed. This point correlates heavily with point one of my answer, because if you compete against players in the range between 16-20, you have a huge advance, if your physically trained above the average. Scouts are only looking for players with physical advantage. If you look at the players in our primaveras, you see, that this point is sad but true. Its all the other way round in spain oder netherlands.

As long as this three simple reasons are not taken into account, italy will become less and less important with its national team and in consequence with serie a.

I totally agree with point 1 and 3 (although according to some Primavera's experts they are coming back at focusing more on skills and talented players than just physical players) but not with point 2.
Italy could be compared only to Spain than Germany or France or England or Holland,just like the spanish we don't have the same tradition of immigration of these other countries (that had also a colonialist past for over 150 years) but despite that the sons of these immigrant people born in Italy are growing a lot (look also at players like El Shaarawy),I really don't see problems of closeness about giving them chances,the exact opposite. But the real problems as you stated are on point 1 and 3.

 

[FCBarca]

There are three very simple reasons for our mediocre primaveras:

3) I guess Burghnich has given an interview lately for sky, where he complained, that in the last severeal years it was all about physical strenght in the youth teams. Technically skilled players are not needed. This point correlates heavily with point one of my answer, because if you compete against players in the range between 16-20, you have a huge advance, if your physically trained above the average. Scouts are only looking for players with physical advantage. If you look at the players in our primaveras, you see, that this point is sad but true. Its all the other way round in spain oder netherlands.

As long as this three simple reasons are not taken into account, italy will become less and less important with its national team and in consequence with serie a.

Some good points...The technical aspect that is missing is key, IMO...Plus, like the English, there has been a propensity for sticking with the older veterans rather than trusting in the youth...If you don't, the youth get wasted