Ranocchia?

[Wallace]

so first you said you didnt say it was black and white, then I showed you evidence you said that, then you said ignore that because I also said something else that is completely irrelevant?

What's with your perseverance with black and white?

All I said was "What's wrong with that?", which was a question. Quite frankly, I'm completely confused with the point you're trying to bring with this black and white crap, that's why I ignored it, and I'm gonna ignore it now as well.

Like I said, I really don't give a crap about whatever label you're trying to snap on it, call it black and white, red and blue or whatever you will.

I didn't "neglect" nagatomo or handanovic. I ignored them because they didn't fulfill all the "criteria". You need quality, passion, leadership - to an extent. Rano has quality, passion, and some leadership. Naga lacks quality, but has passion and leadership - you can't be captain from the bench. Handa has quality, but no indication of any leadership, and no passion.

C'mon mate. You didn't even talk about Nagatomo's passion and leadership skills, how is that even *all* the criteria. It's quite funny how you just keep saying Nagatomo lacks quality, Nagatomo lacks quality. I've already said in my last few posts, I don't agree with that, and I'm sure there are a lot more people on this forum who won't agree with that either. Sure Nagatomo had some pretty poor games this season, but Ranocchia hasn't?

And plus, Nagatomo isn't even going to be on the bench, Dodo isn't going to bench him, and D'Ambrosio? Give me a break, please, they won't both bench him at the same time, especially not Dodo after Mancini's in charge.

And as I said this so many times, I disagree with the notion that Handanovic has a complete lack of leadership and passion.

my point is that rano is not necessarily a bad choice and no one is a better choice than him ATM. who gives a shit about hindsight anymore? why can't you read what I say before you reply?

Sure, but I'm actually saying your points that you've provided supporting your arguments are flawed, okay?

 

[bandiera]

What's with your perseverance with black and white?

All I said was "What's wrong with that?", which was a question. Quite frankly, I'm completely confused with the point you're trying to bring with this black and white crap, that's why I ignored it, and I'm gonna ignore it now as well.

To be clear, this is how it went.

why is it a contest between individual quality and passion for the shirt/leadership to be captain? why make it black and white when the truth is grey?

what, either the captain is a world class player that doesnt care much about Inter or the captain is a passionate interista who is shit? Ffs.

Why not?

all i wanted to say is something you're acknowledging now. there is more than 1 thing that is important in a captain.

C'mon mate. You didn't even talk about Nagatomo's passion and leadership skills, how is that even *all* the criteria. It's quite funny how you just keep saying Nagatomo lacks quality, Nagatomo lacks quality. I've already said in my last few posts, I don't agree with that, and I'm sure there are a lot more people on this forum who won't agree with that either. Sure Nagatomo had some pretty poor games this season, but Ranocchia hasn't?

And plus, Nagatomo isn't even going to be on the bench, Dodo isn't going to bench him, and D'Ambrosio? Give me a break, please, they won't both bench him at the same time, especially not Dodo after Mancini's in charge.

Yes, but other than the game vs roma and a bad tackle vs dnipro, rano has been our best defenders and one of, if not our most consistent player. nagatomo on the other hand has had a very poor season so far. i like naga because he is a true servant of the club, but considering outrage has come from 2 bad games from rano, what would happen with naga..

and, once again, he's 28. for a player that depends on his stamina/speed/body more than his brain/technique, he will decline in the next 1-2 years (and the captain needs to start). we need long term leadership after all the senatori left and neither naga or handa will offer that.

And as I said this so many times, I disagree with the notion that Handanovic has a complete lack of leaders

i didn't say handanovic has a complete lack of leadership. i said there's no evidence to say he's a leader. there's much more to say rano is a leader, coming from teammates - and hes also been much more vocal over the last 2 months. cant believe actually think hes not a leader because as a 21 year old he was intimidated by giving orders to matrix, jz, lucio, samuel etc. how could he ever assert himself as a leader in that dressing room?

my main problem with handa is also his age and how he wants to leave inter if we don't get CL. what kind of loyalty for a captain is that?

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edit; wallace, i think its time to agree to disagree on rano's qualities. its a clash of two different opinions.

plus this is a pretty pointless thing to discuss and ive begun to repeat myself, which is a sign I should stop.

 

[Wallace]

all i wanted to say is something you're acknowledging now. there is more than 1 thing that is important in a captain.

Oh! You're referring to my "Why not" question, and you're using that to conclude that I was saying it's "black or white"?

That's quite funny lol, and you were saying I was putting words in your mouth. For me, it's not really "grey" if we are methodically evaluating a set of criteria on who's better in each one, I still see that as pretty black and white, straight forward evaluation.

Yes, but other than the game vs roma and a bad tackle vs dnipro, rano has been our best defenders and one of, if not our most consistent player. nagatomo on the other hand has had a very poor season so far. i like naga because he is a true servant of the club, but considering outrage has come from 2 bad games from rano, what would happen with naga..

Yeah, but who chooses a captain on temporary form?

I'm simply saying that the during the time we chose the captain, Nagatomo is logically the best candidate because of the aforementioned reasons. If Ranocchia's form drop from here, I'm not going to say drop him and give the armband to someone who's in better form. Form is temporary, class is permanent, and for me Ranocchia hasn't displayed that class that's deservingly warranted the armband from the club.

i didn't say handanovic has a complete lack of leadership. i said there's no evidence to say he's a leader. there's much more to say rano is a leader, coming from teammates - and hes also been much more vocal over the last 2 months.

Of course his team mates are going to be diplomatic in interviews and in public. What do you expect them to say, Ranocchia's a shit captain and the armband should have gone to me?

The fact that he has been more vocal the last two months is purely due to the fact that he has become the captain of Inter, so he's more coerced to speak than he was before, especially in interviews. I see this more as a result from his designation rather than the reason for his designation.

Again, I think these points are fabricated aftermath to try and justify his designation rather than support his initial designation.

cant believe actually think hes not a leader because as a 21 year old he was intimidated by giving orders to matrix, jz, lucio, samuel etc.

I never said that. But if you can see that as an excuse for Ranocchia, then you can pretty much use the same excuse for Handanovic, for being too new to Inter and can't really give orders to our triplete champions, especially while Cambiasso was here dictating everything.

edit; wallace, i think its time to agree to disagree on rano's qualities. its a clash of two different opinions.

plus this is a pretty pointless thing to discuss and ive begun to repeat myself, which is a sign I should stop.

I've repeated myself since my 3rd post, and I haven't felt the boredom creeping in yet.

People ask me if I ever get bored, I reply, not really.

 

[bandiera]

disagree, but I think it's time to just agree we have different opinions. If I responded again, my entire post would be repetition. no point doing that.

and i wanted naga as captain. i have a lot of faith in rano though... and while naga's class may be permanent, his body is not. it's almost as if you didn't read the article and just started posting anti-rano shit (eg. the leadership argument is "fabricated aftermath" - did you even read the first section?)

I've wasted enough time already, and this just tells me I shouldn't waste any more.

 

[Wings]

I understand why you think Rano is an acceptable choice, but I don't understand where you're getting your interpretations of Handanovic from. On what evidence do you say he has insufficient passion and leadership?

 

[Kakaroto]

I don't think Rana has the quality or the leadership to to be the captain. He is simply the captain because his the longest serving member.

 

[A.l.i]

I disagree with many points in the article written in the first post but captaincy should be the least of our concerns right now. Bigger concern is to put up a solid performance for the entire 90 mins and actually win games. Winning is so difficult these days.

 

[chipschups]

all I can say is, now I agree we overpayed for him.. A lot..

 

[Andysam]

I read the whole thing...

 

[achilles]

I don't think Rano is the best defender in the world, but I still think he would look really good, alongside the right partner.

Maybe JJ is THAT partner, but if so, they need to both continue improving.

His passing was bad in the Juve game, but in general I think he has good technicality for a CB. His biggest problem is dealing with tricky flair players, running at him, and that will still be his greatest weakness when he retires.