Roberto Mancini

Where will Mancini lead us this season?


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Abu Bader

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I doubt this tbh.

Even though both the Italy NT and Inter were entering into similar periods of rebuilding, we know that the expectations and pressures are different. Namely, they're unfair and unrealistic here. Maybe if Mancini had taken over a Fiorentina or Lazio he would apply a similar philosophy of "positive" football with technical young players, but never at Inter. Let's not forget he was deadset on a fucking 33 year old Yaya Toure.
Yaya would've added so much to inter and brought winning mentality with him. I honestly belive of Sunning had granted Mancini his wish to bring Yaya instead of wasting 90m on gabi goal and joao mario we could've won the league sooner. Maybe not that season but the season after.
 

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Yaya would've added so much to inter and brought winning mentality with him. I honestly belive of Sunning had granted Mancini his wish to bring Yaya instead of wasting 90m on gabi goal and joao mario we could've won the league sooner. Maybe not that season but the season after.
Suning did a set of very confusing and questionable decisions over the years which IMO did more damage to the club than they did good.

When they hired Mancini they either had to give him more time and the players he wanted, or didnt hire him in the first place. They didnt give him Toure, but instead went for a younger Kondogbia which cost more and never lived up to the money Inter paid for him. They went on and wasted that much money on Joao Mario and Gabishit without Mancini asking for them or wanting anything close to these two players.

Then the tension stared between them and Mancini parted ways. Then Suning hired De Boer and threw a season away by that decision. Then they hired Spaletti and the best he could do was finishing 4th in Serie A, something that Mancini had already achieved in the only full season Suning gave him. Had they kept Mancini around and didnt spend that much money on Joao Mario, Gabishit, De Boer, Pioli, Spalletti and Naingolann's deal, he probably could achieve the same as Spalletti did and even win the Serie A in the coming seasons without completely embarrassing ourselves in the CL. For all of his shortcomings in the CL Mancini's Inter never went out in the Group stage!

For all we achieved and lost in the past years, I think we could manage better if Suning didnt make that set of decisions, and instead gave Mancini more time and better players.
 

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They made a ton of horrific decisions but not signing the corpse of Yaya Toure was not one of them
Maybe, but we never know. I think Yaya still had some years in him to deliver in Serie A. The older corpses Ibra and Pirlo did pretty good for Milan and Juve.
 

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Suning did a set of very confusing and questionable decisions over the years which IMO did more damage to the club than they did good.

When they hired Mancini they either had to give him more time and the players he wanted, or didnt hire him in the first place. They didnt give him Toure, but instead went for a younger Kondogbia which cost more and never lived up to the money Inter paid for him. They went on and wasted that much money on Joao Mario and Gabishit without Mancini asking for them or wanting anything close to these two players.

Then the tension stared between them and Mancini parted ways. Then Suning hired De Boer and threw a season away by that decision. Then they hired Spaletti and the best he could do was finishing 4th in Serie A, something that Mancini had already achieved in the only full season Suning gave him. Had they kept Mancini around and didnt spend that much money on Joao Mario, Gabishit, De Boer, Pioli, Spalletti and Naingolann's deal, he probably could achieve the same as Spalletti did and even win the Serie A in the coming seasons without completely embarrassing ourselves in the CL. For all of his shortcomings in the CL Mancini's Inter never went out in the Group stage!

For all we achieved and lost in the past years, I think we could manage better if Suning didnt make that set of decisions, and instead gave Mancini more time and better players.

Suning didn't hire Mancini. It was Thohir who hired Mancini in 2014. Suning acquired the club in 2016 and Mancini only lasted one summer with them. As for Kondogbia, he wasn't Mancini's top target but he still was his Toure alternative. Mancini wanted Kondogbia so much he threatened to resign if Thohir hadn't signed Kondogbia.

Inter spent 100m in 2015 for transfers and most of them were Mancini requests. Only Murillo and Ljajic weren't his requests. The target was CL qualification. He failed. He finished behind Roma who had brought Spalletti back midseason after a terrible start with Rudi Garcia. And he managed that after a great first round.

But even the first round wasn't a result of great football or a great game plan.

Mancini's "game plan" was keeping it tight in defence and create only from individual brilliance. There was zero creativity in midfield thanks to Mancini's great idea to bring Kondogbia and Melo and get rid of Kovacic. Then again it was totally expected from the guy who said he would like to have a starting lineup consisted of 11 Medels or the guy who was often using a Melo-Medel midfield duo or even a Melo-Medel-Kondogbia midfield trio.

His plan was working as long as Murillo and Melo were in the form of their lifes but once they started to struggle everything collapsed. The team performances were screaming the team needed to get a creative midfielder in January. Guarin offered a great opportunity to the club to sign a new midfielder with his move to China. What did Mancini do instead? He went for his beloved Eder who offered nothing to our game and we had the typical Inter winter curse that led to another unsuccessful season and prolonged our banter era.

Suning fucked up in 2016 with transfer market and coaching circus. There's no doubt about that. It's also nice to see Mancini has evolved with national team and he has a nice attacking game plan. But there's no guarantee 2016 Mancini, who had no proper game plan, would have led Inter to a Scudetto if Suning had listened to him.
 
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People forget how hard those Mancini-era games were to watch, and it was entirely by Mancini's doing. We fielded an ultra-defensive 4-2-3-1 with zero ability to create goals. We had a number of fluky 1-0 wins before things unraveled.

The only good thing to come out of Manco's return to Inter was signing Perisic. We got him for a great price relative to the value he has provided us over the years, and he's a player who Mancini specifically demanded. Beyond that? His time here was a complete waste.

Choosing between blaming Thohir, Suning, and Mancini for that era of Inter is like choosing who among Nainggolan, Mario, and Dalbert was the best transfer. There isn't a correct answer.
 

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People forget how hard those Mancini-era games were to watch, and it was entirely by Mancini's doing. We fielded an ultra-defensive 4-2-3-1 with zero ability to create goals. We had a number of fluky 1-0 wins before things unraveled.

The only good thing to come out of Manco's return to Inter was signing Perisic. We got him for a great price relative to the value he has provided us over the years, and he's a player who Mancini specifically demanded. Beyond that? His time here was a complete waste.

Choosing between blaming Thohir, Suning, and Mancini for that era of Inter is like choosing who among Nainggolan, Mario, and Dalbert was the best transfer. There isn't a correct answer.

Yup, revisionism.

Here and also in the midfielder thread where people suddenly change their minds and think 35m for De Paul would be a good deal lol
 

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We fielded an ultra-defensive 4-2-3-1 with zero ability to create goals.

And that's what Spalletti inherited and the plan was to continue the course. Results were pretty similar.
 
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Agreed that there's too much revisionism here.

We had Ljajic on loan with an option for like €12m if I remember correctly and he was playing extremely well. Moreover you could sense a maturation in him from his effort on the pitch and how emotional he was when we lost. So naturally, Mancini decides to drop the one creative, flair player we have and instead buy the least flair Brazilian in history in fucking Eder who didn't score a goal for his first 16 games or something.

Additionally, for a brief period we had both Juan Jesus and Telles playing really well on the left flank. IMO it was clear the competition was helping because they both upped their game significantly and I was giving myself headaches trying to pick between the two. Naturally Mancini decides to drop them both and play fucking Nagatomo who is completely out of form and who had been rightfully benched by those two to begin with.

I like Mancini as a person and I'm pleasantly surprised and impressed to see his development (or return) to a more positive approach with the NT. But the guy was a fucking crackpot during his second stint here.
 

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Suning didn't hire Mancini. It was Thohir who hired Mancini in 2014. Suning acquired the club in 2016 and Mancini only lasted one summer with them. As for Kondogbia, he wasn't Mancini's top target but he still was his Toure alternative. Mancini wanted Kondogbia so much he threatened to resign if Thohir hadn't signed Kondogbia.

Inter spent 100m in 2015 for transfers and most of them were Mancini requests. Only Murillo and Ljajic weren't his requests. The target was CL qualification. He failed. He finished behind Roma who had brought Spalletti back midseason after a terrible start with Rudi Garcia. And he managed that after a great first round.

But even the first round wasn't a result of great football or a great game plan.

Mancini's "game plan" was keeping it tight in defence and create only from individual brilliance. There was zero creativity in midfield thanks to Mancini's great idea to bring Kondogbia and Melo and get rid of Kovacic. Then again it was totally expected from the guy who said he would like to have a starting lineup consisted of 11 Medels or the guy who was often using a Melo-Medel midfield duo or even a Melo-Medel-Kondogbia midfield trio.

His plan was working as long as Murillo and Melo were in the form of their lifes but once they started to struggle everything collapsed. The team performances were screaming the team needed to get a creative midfielder in January. Guarin offered a great opportunity to the club to sign a new midfielder with his move to China. What did Mancini do instead? He went for his beloved Eder who offered nothing to our game and we had the typical Inter winter curse that led to another unsuccessful season and prolonged our banter era.

Suning fucked up in 2016 with transfer market and coaching circus. There's no doubt about that. It's also nice to see Mancini has evolved with national team and he has a nice attacking game plan. But there's no guarantee 2016 Mancini, who had no proper game plan, would have led Inter to a Scudetto if Suning had listened to him.
Yeah, you're right. I was a bit uncertain if Suning was around when Mancini was hired but I thought they were.

There is no doubt that Mancini could be a very frustrating coach. I had my own criticism of his decisions back then but, of all the circumstances we went through with coaches and players, I believe he needed more time and better players to make better results, but he only got 1 and an half years.

Spalletti and Conte didn't have very satisfying style of play either. There were some, but not many to remember despite having better squads than Mancini.

Yes there is no guanrantee for success, but Mancini's record is pretty good in the domestic leagues and I believe if he stayed longer he could do better in his next seasons and we didnt need to go through severals seasons just to get into the CL where we didn't go any further than the GS for 3 years.
 

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If he continues like this he might entertain some foreign offers. England again, or maybe Real Madrid. They have a boner for cup specialists and he is one.
 

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Basically describes his entire coaching career: have the most valuable squad in the league and let the players win the games for you. :yao:

MANCINI ACCUSED OF RECEIVING HIDDEN PAYMENTS FROM MANCHESTER CITY​

A report by Der Spiegel alleges that Roberto Mancini got part of his compensation at Manchester City through a fictitious consultancy contract.

The Italy CT signed with Manchester City in 2009 and remained in charge until 2013, winning the club’s first title in 44 years in 2012. He is seen as a key figure in the club’s history, but there are now shadows looming over his spell at the Etihad Stadium.

Following sanctions imposed on Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich, German paper Dier Spiegel has published an investigation over clubs and players that have allegedly received payments from governing agencies of authoritarian states and Italy coach Roberto Mancini is also involved. The CT is ‘thought to have received a significant portion of his compensation secretly by way of a fictitious consultancy contract.’

The report details the figures of the agreement between Mancini and Manchester City, attaching a copy of the contract. The Sampdoria legend was to be paid £1.4m per season, pls £4m add-ons.
However, on that same day, he also signed what appears to be a consultancy contract with Al Jazira worth £1.7m and with fees ‘to be paid to an account nominated by your company and will be paid without deduction of any taxation.’ Der Spiegel attached the signed contract and emails with Simon Pearce and the Manchester City financial department, who processed the payments.

‘Those invoices were only seemingly paid by Al Jazira: IIS would send its invoices to Manchester City, the club would wire the money to ADUG, which would then send it onward to Al Jazira before it was eventually paid to IIS,’ the report claims.
‘The system was described by a ManCity employee in July 2012, with Simon Pearce confirming the procedure from the emirate’s perspective.’
 

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First Mihajlovic, now Vialli has passed. Must be though for Mancini to lose two of his best friends in the span of a month...

His emotional celebration with Vialli at the end of Euro 2020 will be even more legendary and poignant now.
 

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MANCINI CONTRACT EMBROILED IN MANCHESTER CITY SCANDAL

Italy coach Roberto Mancini reportedly had a secret agreement with Manchester City to receive double his stated wages during his four-year spell at the club.
The Times journalist Martyn Ziegler details how the English giants have been charged by the Premier League for over 100 alleged breaches of financial regulation following a four-year investigation, with the various breaches dating back to the 2009-10 season, Mancini’s first year at the helm.

Manchester City are at risk of being handed serious penalties, ranging from fines and point deductions to possible expulsion from the Premier League.

Charges against the Citizens include their alleged secret salary agreement with Mancini during his four years at the club from 2009 to 2013.

Documents published by Der Spiegel reportedly showed that the Italian coach had a shadow consulting contract with Abu Dhabi-based club Al Jazira, who quietly paid him millions over the four-year spell.

Mancini’s first Manchester City contract saw him earn a base salary of £1.45m net per season, but he was also allegedly paid £1.75m per year by Al Jazira, which required him to coach at the club for four days a year.

Der Spiegel released emails seemingly showing how Mancini’s company, Italy International Services, issued quarterly invoices to Manchester City, who then sent the money to City owner Sheikh Mansour’s Abu Dhabi United Group, which in turn passed it onto Al Jazira to pay the coach.

When asked about the contract with Al Jazira in the past, the Italian coach declined to comment.
 

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