Romelu Lukaku

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I'm aware of that. I'm just saying, you can bang on about context as much as you want, but no one has even come that close to it.Its not like we've got history where a striker scores 25-28 goals a season for two consecutive seasons in an 18 team league.

And, even so, its still an accomplishment to ACTUALLY do it. Inter was a much stronger side when we had Mourinho/Ibra/etc, and no one managed it then.

Vieri, Icardi, Ronaldo, Ibrahimovic, Eto'o, Milito, Adriano, etc, all didnt manage to do it.

I think, at the least, that deserves a well done. And yes, dont get me wrong, he's not as good as many of the players I've listed, but we should still appreciate his actual outcome at Inter.

Look at it like this - he put his transfer value up almost 50% despite being 2 years older, AND in tihe middle of a pandemic where values hve probably been cut on averagae 20-30%.
 
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@.h. It remains a personal feat for him, surely, but let's not pretend that it came as a result of his individual quality more than it came as a result of team style and performance. You can claim that he was the main reason for all that if you wish, but let's not pretend that his scoring was something the team relied upon.

It looks impressive when you see that Lukaku in 2 seasons managed to have two Top 5 scoring seasons, both 30+, from 1980-81* until today.

I'll illustrate a bigger picture below using some pretty straight forward parameters I selected.

So you can see here that Lukaku is joint 2nd and 5th in the last 40 odd years. But you'll also notice that the list is very modern heavy, only 3 entries in our top 15 are not from the last 20 years (Ronaldo, Serena, Altobelli 1985).

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From this list, apart from Adriano in 2004-5, he has the two lowest scoring ratios from non-Penalty goals.

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From the minutes per goal (including PKs), his second season ranks 5th out of 15.

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But you can notice that the related non-PK number makes quite a jump there.

Another underrated parameter is how many goals less were scored by our scorer:

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Two top 5 entries for the last two seasons once again, with Lautaro having a much closer gap than most other high scoring seasons. Eto'o is the only one who comes close in a 30+ goal performance in 2009-10 with a 14 goal difference. Djorkaeff and Pazzini in 1998 and 2011 lag significantly. I mean just consider that this selection relates only to 25+ goal scoring seasons and the gap is 24 and 26 goals from 1st to 2nd alone in those seasons, whereas Lukaku's performances is closer to what a healthy 25-28 goal season would look like in the 2000s.


Now taking only the players who scored at least 25% of our goal total, here's how it looks:

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As you can see, while it's a very good feat, it doesn't really rank very high in the "carrying us" rhetoric that people have been throwing around for almost 2 years now.


When you discount penalties as well (formula removes players's PK goals and removes the total PK goals scored by the team's total, data entry from transfermarkt), using the 25% as the cut off once again:
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where Lukaku ranks in the low 20s with both entries out of 41 seasons.


Now, that's just looking at numbers. You mention that Vieri, Ronaldo, Adriano, Zlatan etc never did that. But they played in a different era, a time with less goals scored in general, with more strikers, some would argue tougher to score as well due to better defenses and competition and of course, less games. And most importantly, these players rarely played consecutive seasons in full fitness.

I don't think other than Eto'o, Icardi and Palacio did we have a striker in the last 20 seasons where they had consecutive seasons with more than 30 games played in the league. I'm sure Vieri and Ronaldo didn't, not sure if Cruz managed that but he was hardly a striker. Don't recall if Adriano managed 2 full seasons, but it's possible. Milito definitely wasn't as much around out in his second year, though his 3rd was better than his 1st.

And there's the issue that Icardi and Palacio played for teams that kinda sucked and Eto'o was sacrificed in his first season quite a lot. You could argue that it's remarkable that he's stayed away from injuries, but that's where it should end.

Hitting a landmark of 30 goals is definitely noteworthy, but removing all context from it to exaggerate someone's output feels silly to me and yes, I'll keep calling it out as long as it's a thing.


*1980-81 is just the date I picked to start gathering the data, will eventually go further back.


P.S: I could enhance the dataset, open to suggestions. But would like to keep it goal related only, though standings and Europe progression is something I was considering to include but not sure how to implement it.
 

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I tihnk if you're going to talk about different ers, we need to be looking aat average number of Serie A goals scored (not just Inter team goals), etc. Lukaku is. creator as much as a benefactor of the circumstaances imho. I think its exactly that Lautaro managed to score so many goals that its impressive that Lukaku did as well.

And, yes, part of the impressive element is that he's managed to stay fully fit for 2 seasons - where mny others failed to.
 

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He played the biggest role in having us out of the Champions League, but I guess you don't want to go there.

I think it's funny that you solely put the blame 100% on Lukaku for our CL exit, yet when people give their opinions that Lukaku played catalytic role in our Scudetto triumph, you play this card;

This is a ridiculously repetitive argument.

Pick one, they're all at least as valid:

We would have not won the scudetto without Lautaro Martinez.
We would have not won the scudetto without Alexis Sanchez.
We would have not won the scudetto without Christian Eriksen.
We would have not won the scudetto without Achraf Hakimi.
We would have not won the scudetto without Ivan Perisic.
We would have not won the scudetto without Milan Skriniar.
We would have not won the scudetto without Stefan de Vrij.
We would have not won the scudetto without Samir Handanovic.
We would have not won the scudetto without Niccolo Barella.
We would have not won the scudetto without Marcelo Brozovic.
We would have not won the scudetto without Matteo Darmian.
We would have not won the scudetto without Alessandro Bastoni.

You think the Scudetto is the result of a collective team effort (which is true of course), but you don't think the CL exit is the result of a collective team failure? Instead, it's all 100% on Lukaku, as if we had 11 Lukakus on the field for our failed CL campaign? Dude, stop it. It's getting pathetic.

That motherfucker is gone already. There's no reason to be salty and nitpicking anymore.
 

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honestly, its not worth it.

icardi was the best, lukaku was just on the coattails of giants.
 

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I think it's funny that you solely put the blame 100% on Lukaku for our CL exit, yet when people give their opinions that Lukaku played catalytic role in our Scudetto triumph, you play this card;



You think the Scudetto is the result of a collective team effort (which is true of course), but you don't think the CL exit is the result of a collective team failure? Instead, it's all 100% on Lukaku, as if we had 11 Lukakus on the field for our failed CL campaign? Dude, stop it. It's getting pathetic.

That motherfucker is gone already. There's no reason to be salty and nitpicking anymore.

It's funny how you picked a post that said "biggest role" and then extrapolated it into a counter-argument making it sound like you're responding to something that said 100% :lol: :lol:

Pathetic indeed.
 

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He's running his mouth again. Don't make me hate you, Lukaku :lol:

This is exactly the same things he said when joining us. I remember he was interviewed by an american dude on youtube way before the move to Inter was even signed talking about his experience at Manchester and how he wanted to leave a few months after joining them.

No matter how he played, if he was good againts weaker sides and bad against top teams, no matter if his first touch is bad or if his physical capacities are top tier. I can't get over how much this guy loves to talk about himself, it's ridiculous.
Dude has won the same amount of trophies as Ranocchia but releases more interviews than Cristiano Ronaldo.
 

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Clearly his talking is working. The PL is hyping the shit out of him right now
 

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Fucking Lukaku should just shut the fuck up.

What a fucking piece of shit.
 

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Lukaku with a double, second was so sweet.

Oh sorry, we don't like Lukaku anymore and he is crap - Well it was only aston villa and if you takeaway his 2 goals it was 1-0 and Chelsea would have won anyway, hope thats better for ya'll.
 

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Nice two goals today. Tuchel's game depends a lot on him, from what I've seen so far.
 

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Lukaku with a double, second was so sweet.

Oh sorry, we don't like Lukaku anymore and he is crap - Well it was only aston villa and if you takeaway his 2 goals it was 1-0 and Chelsea would have won anyway, hope thats better for ya'll.
Lol did anyone hurt you? Lukaku scoring against mid table teams is nothing new, save your statement when he scores against big dogs in champions leagues.
 
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Lol did anyone hurt you? Lukaku scoring against mid table teams is nothing new, save your statement when he scores against big dogs in champions leagues.
Can you clarify who you mean, also does it matter what stage of the CL? I can imagine you haters will be like "but he did not score in the semi final" then "oh but it wasnt a final" then "oh by chelsea were already winning" then "oh he didnt do that for us" then "oh but did you see he missed 3 shots" then "oh he contributed nothing and his goal meant nothing"

The clarification part I'd actually like answered, stages and teams that count and any goal scenarios, in advance. I think anyone who doesn't consider Lukaku world class is just clueless, we all entitled to our opinions of course :)
 

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Can you clarify who you mean, also does it matter what stage of the CL? I can imagine you haters will be like "but he did not score in the semi final" then "oh but it wasnt a final" then "oh by chelsea were already winning" then "oh he didnt do that for us" then "oh but did you see he missed 3 shots" then "oh he contributed nothing and his goal meant nothing"

The clarification part I'd actually like answered, stages and teams that count and any goal scenarios, in advance. I think anyone who doesn't consider Lukaku world class is just clueless, we all entitled to our opinions of course :)
Yeah, they seem to forget how the opinion was "Lukaku peaked at Inter" :palm: The excuses will pile up now
 
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